Here's the logs from the back channel from this morning's panels. I guess the entire network went down a few minutes into the last panel (the one I was on) so it kind of stops short. Click more to read the rest. Just want to say again that the camera guy was a total tool and on a power trip from hell.

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Jul 23 09:43:01 --> You are now talking on #blogon
Jul 23 09:43:05 [stowe> danah is dissing the last panel
Jul 23 09:43:11 [jluster> danah gets to describe facetual deviance in no less than 4 pages A4 :)
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Jul 23 09:44:16 [stowe> blogs+sna may not make sense? baloney. its so obvious that blogs *are* social networks waiting to be made explicit
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Jul 23 09:44:50 [miker> hi theagent, nice to see you around again
Jul 23 09:44:54 [stowe> fear is not a great motivator; it is a good demotivator
Jul 23 09:44:55 [theagent> anyone have the direct url for this rtsp: stream so that i can run it directly in Quicktime... its just sux in a browser plugin
Jul 23 09:45:14 [theagent> hey miker... good to see you again too
Jul 23 09:45:21 [xian> i like danah's hair not pink
Jul 23 09:45:39 [seanbonner> where is "THE HAT?"
Jul 23 09:45:44 [miker> I'm actually at the event this time, the major difference so far is that the network is worse
Jul 23 09:45:53 [miker> got here too late to mingle in the morning
Jul 23 09:46:09 [rkrato> http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
Jul 23 09:46:19 [seanbonner> the power supply is pretty bad too.
Jul 23 09:46:24 [evectorsmatt> yeah
Jul 23 09:46:26 [evectorsmatt> i got it too
Jul 23 09:46:29 [evectorsmatt> but mine is green
Jul 23 09:46:32 [miker> aye, I haven't found an outlet by me yet
Jul 23 09:46:33 [evectorsmatt> ah, there we go
Jul 23 09:46:39 [miker> are there any in the auditorium?
Jul 23 09:46:42 [stowe> matt - what's the link for the STES blog?
Jul 23 09:47:08 [evectorsmatt> http://stes.evectors.com/
Jul 23 09:47:27 [rossm> hey matt
Jul 23 09:47:34 [evectorsmatt> Hi there Ross
Jul 23 09:47:42 [HeikoHebig> hey from germany, ross
Jul 23 09:47:54 [rossm> hey heiko!
Jul 23 09:47:54 [seanbonner> ah, scarry laywers - your best entertainment value
Jul 23 09:48:01 [teknowcrat> evectorsmatt: glad to be of assistance this morning... :)
Jul 23 09:48:08 [evectorsmatt> I dream one day of employing many scary lawyers myself
Jul 23 09:48:18 [evectorsmatt> (Hi Judith... many thanks btw... much better!)
Jul 23 09:48:20 [rossm> http://www.chillingeffects.org/
Jul 23 09:48:22 [teknowcrat> wendy's not a scary lawyer
Jul 23 09:48:46 * seanbonner just hired a scary lawyer at the gallery but that's a different story
Jul 23 09:48:52 [theagent> rkrato: thanks for the url..
Jul 23 09:48:57 [rossm> similar... http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Disinfopedia
Jul 23 09:49:08 [rossm> this guy has the hardest job
Jul 23 09:49:18 [seanbonner> pink floyd has no lightsaber
Jul 23 09:49:36 [jluster> and Pink floyd isn't your father, either
Jul 23 09:49:44 [jluster> but at least we won't get a prequel
Jul 23 09:50:00 [theagent> I've listened to Pink Floyd and thought I was a light saber... (college years)
Jul 23 09:50:32 [theagent> did he just say he wanted control of Dana?
Jul 23 09:50:42 [evectorsmatt> that *would* be a tough job
Jul 23 09:51:01 [rossm> do the non-users agree to the privacy policy?
Jul 23 09:51:06 [seanbonner> btw, I'm logging this for blogging.
Jul 23 09:51:26 [theagent> seanbonner: by the definition from AlwaysOn.. this is a blog
Jul 23 09:51:28 [theagent> ;-)
Jul 23 09:51:35 [rossm> :-)
Jul 23 09:51:37 [seanbonner> =)
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Jul 23 09:51:42 [ChristopherA> There was a big discussion about implicit (i.e. spoke) vs. explicit (i.e. linkedin) social networking last night at the CMU speaker series.
Jul 23 09:52:00 [rossm> sorry to have missed it
Jul 23 09:52:11 [stowe> huh?
Jul 23 09:52:13 [rossm> anybody blog it?
Jul 23 09:52:14 [seanbonner> wah?
Jul 23 09:52:15 [ChristopherA> So yes, they are including non-members spoke's implicit networking.
Jul 23 09:52:16 [jluster> http://www.jluster.org/ - trying not to blow-by-blow it
Jul 23 09:52:22 [stowe> How is one imp and the other exp?
Jul 23 09:52:33 [jluster> ChristopherA: http://www.jluster.org/node/78
Jul 23 09:52:35 [ChristopherA> Not that I've seen so far -- all the bloggers were here.
Jul 23 09:52:43 [teknowcrat> oops, shouldn't have shouted out mary's name, got a bunch of stares!
Jul 23 09:52:44 [rossm> anybody blog the CMU event, I mean
Jul 23 09:52:46 [ChristopherA> Cool, thanks!
Jul 23 09:52:46 [seanbonner> I'm talking smack blow-by-blow: http://www.seanbonner.com
Jul 23 09:52:53 [teknowcrat> can anyone restate her question for me?
Jul 23 09:52:56 [stowe> because spoke is putting in non-opted-in data in the network?
Jul 23 09:53:08 [jluster> seanbonner: Blogchannel instead of Backchannel
Jul 23 09:53:09 [jluster> ?
Jul 23 09:53:20 [stowe> chris?
Jul 23 09:53:28 [evectorsmatt> damn, lost the audio
Jul 23 09:53:29 [theagent> John-Boy?
Jul 23 09:53:32 [seanbonner> indeed.
Jul 23 09:54:17 [seanbonner> someone needs to stealth disco
Jul 23 09:54:24 [ChristopherA> Stowe: Spoke gets your social network based on people's address books and emails.
Jul 23 09:54:40 [stowe> and...
Jul 23 09:54:40 [evectorsmatt> this sucks
Jul 23 09:54:53 [ChristopherA> So for instance, spoke has an identity for you which is everyone's bad email address for you.
Jul 23 09:54:56 [teknowcrat> evectorsmatt: no audio?
Jul 23 09:55:05 [stowe> that makes it implicit?
Jul 23 09:55:21 [evectorsmatt> no
Jul 23 09:55:23 [theagent> Dana sounds like she has to burp
Jul 23 09:55:25 [stowe> I would have thought my email traffic is explicit
Jul 23 09:55:27 [miker> good comment ChristopherA
Jul 23 09:55:35 [seanbonner> the web / blogs are ALL ABOUT letting people do their thing.
Jul 23 09:55:39 [ChristopherA> Yes. Explicit when the user says "x is my friend" rather then discovering it from your history.
Jul 23 09:55:42 [evectorsmatt> no sound
Jul 23 09:55:47 [stowe> she said she has strep and brochitis
Jul 23 09:55:54 [teknowcrat> what question are they respondind to?
Jul 23 09:55:56 [stowe> ok
Jul 23 09:55:56 [seanbonner> that the metblog model anyway.
Jul 23 09:55:57 [jluster> danah confuses folkway creation and mores passed down
Jul 23 09:56:04 [ChristopherA> Stowe, yes, so you are friends with your mortage company? Your ex-wife's lawyer?
Jul 23 09:56:07 [stowe> I thought you were making a different distinction
Jul 23 09:56:10 [rossm> chris, another definition is if the relationship is made visible at all (e.g. vs. blogging)
Jul 23 09:56:16 [theagent> they don't need to become one... but it would be nice to have profile interchange
Jul 23 09:56:46 [stowe> no, but I have a social relationship with them
Jul 23 09:56:55 [stowe> friendship is not the only modality
Jul 23 09:57:04 [rossm> on implicit/explicit, a work in progress: http://www.socialtext.net/m2m/index.cgi?relationship_discovery_and_representation
Jul 23 09:57:04 [ChristopherA> The classic example with spoke is that they have me as president of Consensus Development, becasue some people have that old data for me, but I have no access to that account anymore so I can't claim it.
Jul 23 09:57:05 [teknowcrat> this panel is not connected to this backchannel
Jul 23 09:57:09 [stowe> I trust my mortgage broker
Jul 23 09:57:16 [jluster> stowe: a social relationship? not a trust relationship?
Jul 23 09:57:19 [rossm> I could get up an ask a question on behalf of the back channel
Jul 23 09:57:37 [seanbonner> viva la back channel
Jul 23 09:57:53 [evectorsmatt> now QuickTime has frozen
Jul 23 09:57:53 [teknowcrat> ok
Jul 23 09:57:53 [evectorsmatt> bah
Jul 23 09:57:53 [teknowcrat> rossm: How do we give privacy control back to the individual?
Jul 23 09:58:03 [jluster> stowe: at least in conflict theory, social networks emphasize identity, while trust relationships emphasize communication
Jul 23 09:58:06 [ChristopherA> But without explicit, it could be wrong, or misinterpret.
Jul 23 09:58:27 [theagent> the one thing that hasn't been talked about is identity and its impact in different social networks
Jul 23 09:58:31 [evectorsmatt> Is anyone else watching via live stream? do you have audio?
Jul 23 09:58:34 [teknowcrat> jluster: communication of your identity?
Jul 23 09:58:45 [jluster> teknowcrat: communication of factoids
Jul 23 09:58:51 [theagent> evectorsmatt: I do have audio
Jul 23 09:58:53 [rossm> Pose questions here: http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi?action=weblog_display&category=Questions+Blog
Jul 23 09:58:59 [teknowcrat> personal and or otherwise?
Jul 23 09:59:06 [theagent> take the stream directly in Quicktime and get it out of the browser
Jul 23 09:59:07 [rkrato> evectorsmatt: I can hear in FL
Jul 23 09:59:08 [stowe> the stream works for me
Jul 23 09:59:14 [evectorsmatt> theagent: I am watching directly in QT
Jul 23 09:59:22 [HeikoHebig> audio working in germany, video.. well...
Jul 23 09:59:29 [evectorsmatt> restarting QT
Jul 23 09:59:31 [teknowcrat> evectorsmatt: reboot...:)
Jul 23 09:59:33 [ChristopherA> ross: given your chart, spoke crosses over both implicit and explicit.
Jul 23 10:00:08 [evectorsmatt> sounds back
Jul 23 10:00:33 [stowe> re: implicit/explicit - I think the true distinction is whether the individuals have actaully opted in (explicit) to the network as opposed to being entries in someone's rolodex (implicit)
Jul 23 10:01:10 [rossm> chris, its an open post, please feel free to modify :-)
Jul 23 10:01:25 [theagent> fixation in the means of tangible expression
Jul 23 10:01:38 [miker> I think the difference between implicit vs explicit is that relationships are inferred from actual interaction in implicit, and stated in some kind of form or questionaire for explicit
Jul 23 10:01:45 [theagent> need to sign up for that domain name
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Jul 23 10:02:32 [seanbonner> spam filtering is analyizing incomming e-mail
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Jul 23 10:03:32 [jluster> teknowcrat: http://www.jluster.org/node/59
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Jul 23 10:04:39 [tedr> it's funny I've been experiementing w/ both explicit and implicit on my site, and when it's purely explicit users do not realize there are more features they could use. When it's purely implicit, of course, it infuriates people. But when it's implicit everyone realises the feature exists and many more would switch over to using it explicitly vs. if it was only explicit from the beginning.
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Jul 23 10:04:55 [ChristopherA> rossm: started some comments on that wiki.
Jul 23 10:04:56 [theagent> get rid of lobbyists
Jul 23 10:05:01 [rossm> cool, chris
Jul 23 10:05:13 [stowe> first we kill all the lawyers
Jul 23 10:05:18 [tedr> So it's a weird balance, since no one ever reads directions on a website, you almost have to offer something to them in an implicit manner just so they know they can use and then offer them the right to change to explicit usage
Jul 23 10:05:33 [rossm> btw... i posted my so called presentation here http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2004/07/22/discussing_social_media.php
Jul 23 10:05:36 [theagent> lobbyists and lawyers = synonymous
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Jul 23 10:05:57 [teknowcrat> what are we, as spokespeople for social media, doing about creating a 'sharing culture'?
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Jul 23 10:07:43 [seanbonner> that is nothing new danah
Jul 23 10:08:08 [seanbonner> people have goofed on other people like that for ever, online is just a new medium.
Jul 23 10:12:03 [theagent> first off we need to defeat this totally bullshit Hatch proposed bill on induced pirating
Jul 23 10:12:03 --- rossm has changed the topic to: Blogon Eventspace http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/
Jul 23 10:12:03 [Robin> Q to the backchannel: Seems like there's this overreaction to IP law violation b/c companies are afraid of what will happen if they let the "little stuff" slide. It's really don't think they're actually eager to stick it to 13-year-olds. They believe they HAVE to, yeah? So what's the argument that says, "You don't have to go after the 13-year-old downloader" -- what will reassure corps?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [Robin> er, I really don't think
Jul 23 10:12:04 [stowe> am i still here?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [HeikoHebig> i think you are
Jul 23 10:12:04 [evectorsmatt> Stowe: yes
Jul 23 10:12:04 [evectorsmatt> Robin: Has precendent actually happened in other comparable areas?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [HeikoHebig> robin: if common sense does not tell someone to NOT go after some 13-year old, then what does?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [Robin> Heiko: Agreed, but a lot of law procedure doesn't obey common sense, right? I feel like this is a much more legalistic issue than we think. (I could be wrong.)
Jul 23 10:12:04 [Robin> evectorsmatt: I have no idea. Wish I did.
Jul 23 10:12:04 [evectorsmatt> great panning there
Jul 23 10:12:04 [ChristopherA> Urk, the backchannels are killing the wireless network.
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Jul 23 10:12:13 [HeikoHebig> blame the backchannels ;-)
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Jul 23 10:13:17 [ChristopherA> Are we back?
Jul 23 10:13:23 [HeikoHebig> BART = social network?
Jul 23 10:13:25 [evectorsmatt> you left?
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Jul 23 10:13:47 [seanbonner> HeikoHebig: busblog
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Jul 23 10:13:52 [HeikoHebig> hehe
Jul 23 10:13:58 [ChristopherA> The network went partially down. No conference seems to be able to handle this number of wireless users.
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Jul 23 10:14:28 [evectorsmatt> Anyone know who is asking the Q?
Jul 23 10:14:38 [pencoyd> nope
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Jul 23 10:14:50 [evectorsmatt> Does he have a badge?
Jul 23 10:14:57 [seanbonner> he's got a tie and a jacket
Jul 23 10:14:57 [evectorsmatt> Maybe the camera guy could zoom & focus...
Jul 23 10:14:58 [pencoyd> "takemaker" ???
Jul 23 10:15:04 [evectorsmatt> we need camera controls
Jul 23 10:15:04 [seanbonner> and jeans
Jul 23 10:15:13 [theagent> a what?
Jul 23 10:15:16 [jluster> tapemaker
Jul 23 10:15:21 [jluster> people who make tapes
Jul 23 10:15:23 [pencoyd> tie and jacket, but jeans
Jul 23 10:15:23 [seanbonner> T A P E M A K E R
Jul 23 10:15:25 [andymatic> Who is it that's going off?
Jul 23 10:15:36 [rossm> as in making tapes
Jul 23 10:15:50 [pencoyd> aha
Jul 23 10:15:59 [jluster> We don't need danah anymore. Not sure what he meant by that....
Jul 23 10:16:07 [pencoyd> tapes makes much more sense... thanks, Ross (fyi, I'm John Roberts)
Jul 23 10:16:08 [teknowcrat> his tie is covering his name tag
Jul 23 10:16:21 [rossm> hey john
Jul 23 10:16:34 [theagent> cool... this guy just came up with my new company names.. DarksideTools, Inc.
Jul 23 10:16:41 [seanbonner> and Marc Cantor heckles danah.. again!
Jul 23 10:16:43 [seanbonner> =)
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Jul 23 10:16:49 [teknowcrat> but of cours
Jul 23 10:16:51 [teknowcrat> e
Jul 23 10:16:56 [jluster> someone ask this guy who he is...
Jul 23 10:17:09 [teknowcrat> which guy?
Jul 23 10:17:11 [seanbonner> Dear Sir, who are you?
Jul 23 10:17:20 [rossm> this is the spoke guy
Jul 23 10:17:25 [jluster> the one with the tapemaker
Jul 23 10:17:28 [jluster> comment
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Jul 23 10:17:37 [teknowcrat> chris kelly
Jul 23 10:17:43 [rossm> good, JD Lasica is about to ask a question
Jul 23 10:17:44 [stowe> I'm ba-a-a-a-ck
Jul 23 10:17:46 [pencoyd> Why doesn't the attendee list include people's blogs?
Jul 23 10:17:48 [jluster> no, I know Chris
Jul 23 10:17:51 [seanbonner> this panel better wrap shit up soon, I'm supposed to meet at that table for a "dry run" of my panel in about 13 minutes
Jul 23 10:18:07 [seanbonner> pencoyd: good point
Jul 23 10:18:09 [pencoyd> based on last night... forget dry run
Jul 23 10:18:13 [rossm> so if this is the darkside, does this make my panel the light side?
Jul 23 10:18:17 [jluster> yes
Jul 23 10:18:26 [seanbonner> rossm: yes.
Jul 23 10:18:32 [jluster> the shiny side, as in coins and golden faucets
Jul 23 10:18:32 * HeikoHebig is looking forward to entering the light side
Jul 23 10:18:33 [pencoyd> Just call yourself the Rebel Alliance, Ross... sounds cooler.
Jul 23 10:18:36 [rossm> use the force, then
Jul 23 10:18:51 * stowe is on the far side
Jul 23 10:18:54 [seanbonner> my panel will be the matte finish side
Jul 23 10:19:11 [rossm> Luke, trust your instincts, but don't trust others
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Jul 23 10:19:27 [theagent> to be honest.. all these panels are "transparent'
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Jul 23 10:19:55 [andymatic> I'm waiting for someone to do the Bill O'Reilly: "Shut up! Shut up! Cut his mic!" ;)
Jul 23 10:19:57 [rossm> as in see through clothing?
Jul 23 10:20:11 [stowe> it is a felony in most plases to wear a mask in public
Jul 23 10:20:12 [evectorsmatt> great
Jul 23 10:20:16 [evectorsmatt> "my question is:...."
Jul 23 10:20:20 [evectorsmatt> and I lose the fucking audio again
Jul 23 10:20:26 [evectorsmatt> this blows
Jul 23 10:20:44 [theagent> evectorsmatt, it's been running flawlessly here....
Jul 23 10:20:46 [seanbonner> how long until someone asking a question turns it into an ad?
Jul 23 10:20:55 [seanbonner> audience question spam?
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Jul 23 10:21:20 [evectorsmatt> i give up
Jul 23 10:21:23 [theagent> oooohhhhh.... publiast and the federalist papers...
Jul 23 10:21:31 [evectorsmatt> maybe pasta with tuna & anchovy will be more reliable
Jul 23 10:21:33 [ChristopherA> bye
Jul 23 10:21:43 [evectorsmatt> ta ta
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Jul 23 10:21:47 [pencoyd> I just got power. later
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Jul 23 10:22:50 [theagent> time for breakfast... brb
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Jul 23 10:24:55 [theagent> funny.... audio is still running..
Jul 23 10:25:16 [theagent> I love listening to individual pitches
Jul 23 10:25:37 [theagent> a business model around commission marketing?
Jul 23 10:25:44 [seanbonner> heh
Jul 23 10:26:24 [theagent> backchannel eavesdropping..... fun
Jul 23 10:27:00 [theagent> iName?
Jul 23 10:27:21 [theagent> oh lord... another passport clone
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Jul 23 10:40:59 [HeikoHebig> can someone fix that noise?
Jul 23 10:41:10 [miker> found an outlet to recharge at
Jul 23 10:41:24 [miker> definitely need more outlets here
Jul 23 10:41:25 [theagent> wtf?
Jul 23 10:41:36 [theagent> what is the audio noise about
Jul 23 10:41:46 [theagent> and there is no vid here yet
Jul 23 10:41:51 [miker> There's a break right now still
Jul 23 10:41:56 [miker> restarts in about 10 minutes
Jul 23 10:42:01 [theagent> listening to someone
Jul 23 10:42:06 [miker> oops, make that 5 minutes
Jul 23 10:42:12 [miker> oh really, interesting
Jul 23 10:42:21 [theagent> some guy with a scottish accent
Jul 23 10:42:26 [HeikoHebig> is that some TV station?
Jul 23 10:42:44 [miker> is it a sponsor presentation or something?
Jul 23 10:42:59 [theagent> talking about Microsoft
Jul 23 10:43:13 [HeikoHebig> fast talker
Jul 23 10:43:15 [theagent> Homosapien 1.0
Jul 23 10:43:26 [theagent> the most important operating system
Jul 23 10:43:27 [theagent> funny
Jul 23 10:43:37 [theagent> with no upgrades in sight
Jul 23 10:43:41 [miker> sounds pretty amusing
Jul 23 10:43:45 [rkrato> I think I've heard that before
Jul 23 10:43:57 [theagent> oh well... its off now
Jul 23 10:44:23 [theagent> its back now
Jul 23 10:44:26 [miker> aww man, I was installing mplayer so I could check it out
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Jul 23 10:45:12 [theagent> sounds like the guy running the broadcast server is playing with an mp3 loop or something
Jul 23 10:45:13 [JoiIto> HeikoHebig, are you at blogon?
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Jul 23 10:45:24 [miker> heath row has his transcripts up already
Jul 23 10:45:30 [miker> that's just amazing
Jul 23 10:45:33 [rkrato> I think that's one of Scoble's channel9 things
Jul 23 10:45:49 [rkrato> It's Bill Hill
Jul 23 10:46:03 [HeikoHebig> king of the hill?
Jul 23 10:46:10 [rkrato> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=114
Jul 23 10:46:17 [rkrato> isn't Google great?
Jul 23 10:46:23 --- browser :Unknown command
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Jul 23 10:49:08 [HeikoHebig> hey jason
Jul 23 10:49:30 [JPDeFillippo> hey
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Jul 23 10:53:39 [theagent> man... I need his job... sit around and postulate about the impacts of reading and writing
Jul 23 10:54:50 [theagent> nice firing up the film-projector
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Jul 23 10:55:13 [theagent> the video from AlwaysOn
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Jul 23 10:56:40 [seanbonner> back
Jul 23 10:56:55 [seanbonner> there's some weird video thing being projected right now
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Jul 23 10:57:08 [imajes> hello bloggers!
Jul 23 10:57:22 [seanbonner> man on the street, asking people if they are bloggers
Jul 23 10:57:24 [theagent> welcome to this blog imajes
Jul 23 10:57:28 [theagent> lol
Jul 23 10:57:32 [seanbonner> heh
Jul 23 10:57:44 [imajes> heiko!
Jul 23 10:57:46 [HeikoHebig> my mom knows what a blogger is
Jul 23 10:57:49 [HeikoHebig> james!
Jul 23 10:58:02 [imajes> ltns
Jul 23 10:58:11 [HeikoHebig> well, hiding in germany, you know
Jul 23 10:58:37 [imajes> heh
Jul 23 10:59:27 [HeikoHebig> AlwaysOn produced this movie?
Jul 23 10:59:37 [seanbonner> it's kind of funny
Jul 23 10:59:45 [theagent> no... one of the panelists did
Jul 23 10:59:50 [theagent> or the moderator of a panel
Jul 23 10:59:54 [theagent> can't remember who though
Jul 23 11:00:17 [seanbonner> he's asking how to get to the blogosphere
Jul 23 11:00:25 [theagent> the part coming up is hilarious
Jul 23 11:00:29 [theagent> this part
Jul 23 11:00:57 [HeikoHebig> blogging is actually in france than it is in germany
Jul 23 11:01:03 [HeikoHebig> actually bigger
Jul 23 11:01:23 [theagent> funniest part of that movie
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Jul 23 11:02:09 [seanbonner> huge in vienna
Jul 23 11:02:13 [emv> hey folks
Jul 23 11:02:18 [emv> checking in from home
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Jul 23 11:02:47 [miker> hi edwardvielmetti
Jul 23 11:02:51 [seanbonner> this panel is up now
Jul 23 11:02:58 [theagent> I get it... we were listening to a dry run with Bill Hill earlier
Jul 23 11:03:15 [theagent> raises hand
Jul 23 11:03:18 [theagent> raises hand
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Jul 23 11:03:36 [rkrato> raises hand
Jul 23 11:03:38 [K_> Hi, is there a link to the video you are talking about?
Jul 23 11:03:44 [theagent> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=114
Jul 23 11:03:49 [theagent> oops not that one
Jul 23 11:04:14 [rkrato> you mean this one? http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
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Jul 23 11:04:34 [theagent> rtsp://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
Jul 23 11:04:46 [theagent> http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
Jul 23 11:05:10 [theagent> sorry the rtsp link doesn't work... I was trying to see if I could get it... http work though
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Jul 23 11:05:40 [K_> Ok, thanks for trying
Jul 23 11:06:15 [theagent> I have an rational fear of running Microsoft products
Jul 23 11:06:16 [K_> Is anyone going to the dinner tonight? I tried to sign up too late so I am listening in from home, but I would like to meet some people at dinner.
Jul 23 11:06:33 [seanbonner> K_: I'll be there
Jul 23 11:07:18 [K_> Cool-kieran at gmail dot com
Jul 23 11:07:33 [K_> if you want to meet up
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Jul 23 11:08:11 [theagent> rossm put up a wiki at http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi contribute
Jul 23 11:08:11 [seanbonner> Len from microsoft is talking about channel 9 on United where you can hear the pilots talking
Jul 23 11:08:50 [seanbonner> Jeff is showing off channel9.msdn.com
Jul 23 11:09:02 [miker> I'll be at the dinner
Jul 23 11:09:03 [theagent> I bet the cockpit conversation would be more entertaining if the plane was operated with WindowsXP
Jul 23 11:09:32 [seanbonner> theagent: "Shit! It crahsed again!!"
Jul 23 11:10:11 [theagent> Someone get that fucking pop-up out of the instrumentation
Jul 23 11:10:46 [seanbonner> every single thing on channel 9 has it's own RSS feed
Jul 23 11:10:50 [seanbonner> RSS everywhere
Jul 23 11:11:21 [theagent> I want this guys job.... sit around and bullshit about reading and writing
Jul 23 11:12:12 [theagent> a conference wiki can be found at http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi
Jul 23 11:12:21 [wseltzer> How many of you use Internet Explorer? (very few hands go up)
Jul 23 11:12:24 [seanbonner> channel 9 has a wiki so people can talk smack aboout IE
Jul 23 11:12:34 [JPDeFillippo> The audio feed isn't of the speakers. What's the point :-/
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Jul 23 11:12:50 [theagent> your listening to the wrong feed
Jul 23 11:12:54 [theagent> I did the same thing
Jul 23 11:13:13 [theagent> here is the feed you're looking for http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
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Jul 23 11:13:51 [pencoyd> Is this story new to this audience? It's a well-told story, but is it new?
Jul 23 11:14:19 [pencoyd> or do we need this case study in public to use as a proof point for our own companies?
Jul 23 11:14:20 [theagent> they've found enlightenment at Microsoft
Jul 23 11:14:21 [seanbonner> pencoyd: yeah not sure the deal here - they asked how many people knew about Ch9 and most people raised their hands..
Jul 23 11:14:49 [theagent> humanize microsoft.... hahaha
Jul 23 11:14:56 [seanbonner> HA.
Jul 23 11:15:13 [teknowcrat> define humanize
Jul 23 11:15:20 [seanbonner> everyone goes to technorati
Jul 23 11:15:31 [theagent> define "drank the koolaide"
Jul 23 11:15:38 [pencoyd> the interview with Ward Cunningham about the wiki on Channel 9 is nice
Jul 23 11:15:47 [seanbonner> define "jumped the shark"
Jul 23 11:16:06 [teknowcrat> pencoyd: url?
Jul 23 11:16:18 [seanbonner> microsoft dudes wrapping up, passing over to Mena and Barak
Jul 23 11:16:24 [pencoyd> I'll have to dig it up. Or you can google it for me. ;-)
Jul 23 11:16:29 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: saw a special on sharks last evening, and they are nicer than us
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Jul 23 11:16:38 [teknowcrat> pencoyd: will do
Jul 23 11:16:49 [seanbonner> 700,000 people a month on Channel 9
Jul 23 11:16:54 [seanbonner> must register to use
Jul 23 11:16:56 [pencoyd> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=7726
Jul 23 11:17:04 [teknowcrat> thanks...:)
Jul 23 11:17:08 [theagent> the real question is, "How long until Microsoft productizes it, and claims they invented it?"
Jul 23 11:17:12 [pencoyd> #5 referrer from Slashdot
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Jul 23 11:17:38 [jluster> Whos is the #1, then?
Jul 23 11:17:48 [seanbonner> asstraffic.com
Jul 23 11:17:51 [jluster> aside from google and other search engines, I guess...
Jul 23 11:17:56 [theagent> How long until Microsloth files a patent
Jul 23 11:18:20 [pencoyd> Why are we using IRC instead of SubEthaEdit?
Jul 23 11:18:21 [seanbonner> someone should ask them that.
Jul 23 11:18:36 [jluster> pencoyd: because no one has a SEE doc open
Jul 23 11:18:45 [theagent> because we can't tunnel SubethaEdit outside
Jul 23 11:18:48 [seanbonner> some dude just brought a dog into the room
Jul 23 11:18:58 [jluster> there's one
Jul 23 11:19:00 [pencoyd> ah... forgot that not everyone is in the room
Jul 23 11:19:07 [pencoyd> I've got a doc open
Jul 23 11:19:12 [tedr> woof woof!
Jul 23 11:19:23 [JPDeFillippo> theagent: thanks! Got it
Jul 23 11:19:46 [seanbonner> mena talking about licensing and pricing
Jul 23 11:19:50 [theagent> we really do need a good tunnel server just for iChat and SubEthaEdit
Jul 23 11:21:15 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: that's mark pincus
Jul 23 11:21:19 [teknowcrat> with the dog
Jul 23 11:21:28 [seanbonner> ah.
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Jul 23 11:22:01 [K_> I couldn't get the video link to work, is there an external audio link?
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Jul 23 11:22:10 [JPDeFillippo> Mena looks like she needs a coffee
Jul 23 11:22:13 [seanbonner> talking about 800-900 trackbacks that were mostly negative
Jul 23 11:22:21 * seanbonner needs coffee
Jul 23 11:22:30 [JPDeFillippo> This is the exact same thing she said at Supernova. Damn near word for word.
Jul 23 11:22:36 [theagent> trackbacks are way more valuable then comment systems
Jul 23 11:22:38 [jluster> yepp
Jul 23 11:22:44 [pencoyd> What about pingback?
Jul 23 11:23:07 [pencoyd> I hear various cries for that as an enhancement for trackback... but not widely supported, so should we just live with the devil we have?
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Jul 23 11:23:12 [wseltzer> Does anyone offer a "trackback posting service" without a weblog?
Jul 23 11:23:33 [pencoyd> where would you link back to, wseltzer?
Jul 23 11:23:38 [wseltzer> i.e. just post comments as "trackbacks"
Jul 23 11:23:42 [pencoyd> (I don't know of any such service.)
Jul 23 11:23:59 [pencoyd> Many sites have comments that don't require a weblog.
Jul 23 11:24:03 [imajes> heya wendy!
Jul 23 11:24:04 [wseltzer> (for people frustrated by comment registration systems)
Jul 23 11:24:16 [wseltzer> (but who don't have blogs of their own)
Jul 23 11:24:32 [pencoyd> Why would a trackback posting service be better than normal comments on a site?
Jul 23 11:24:42 [wehriam> there are a few scripting libraries that do that
Jul 23 11:24:42 [teknowcrat> this panel: the axis of evil?
Jul 23 11:24:46 [theagent> wseltzer, the only problem with that scenario is it would suffer from the same SPAM type assaults as comment systems
Jul 23 11:24:50 [wseltzer> hey imajes
Jul 23 11:24:52 [pencoyd> as someone who runs a site, I don't want posting without accountability
Jul 23 11:24:53 [wehriam> the axis of sponsors
Jul 23 11:25:00 [teknowcrat> james!
Jul 23 11:25:09 [wseltzer> theagent: yes, that's why I was wondering
Jul 23 11:25:24 [rossm> anybody from misbehaving.net here? http://www.corante.com/brainwaves/archives/005248.html
Jul 23 11:25:32 [seanbonner> teknowcrat: this does seem like a big ad
Jul 23 11:25:36 [wseltzer> Last time I heard Mena, I thought it was interesting to hear her talk about trackbacks as "comments with accountability"
Jul 23 11:25:43 [teknowcrat> yep
Jul 23 11:25:47 [wseltzer> ...and I wondered whether there were yet services to break that
Jul 23 11:25:48 [wehriam> trackbacks don't trigger MT rebuilds by default, so it probably won't get spammed
Jul 23 11:25:53 [theagent> and that is exactly what trackbacks are
Jul 23 11:25:54 [teknowcrat> many mea culpas
Jul 23 11:26:04 [teknowcrat> many mena mea culpas?
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Jul 23 11:26:14 [seanbonner> JPDeFillippo: trackback rant?
Jul 23 11:26:28 [theagent> rantback track
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Jul 23 11:26:44 [JPDeFillippo> nah, I need coffee first ;-)
Jul 23 11:26:46 [wehriam> backtrack rant.
Jul 23 11:26:49 [theagent> come up with a new standard... rantbacks
Jul 23 11:27:00 [seanbonner> can anyone tell me what "new" has been told here yet?
Jul 23 11:27:02 [teknowcrat> back ranttrack
Jul 23 11:27:05 [pencoyd> theagent, rantbacks are the standard
Jul 23 11:27:10 [seanbonner> 2-3 minutes for comments
Jul 23 11:27:18 [theagent> there is ZERO new in this entire conference
Jul 23 11:27:20 [pencoyd> not quite conversational
Jul 23 11:27:23 [teknowcrat> no new news yet
Jul 23 11:27:25 [wehriam> Nothing new has been said. Perhaps that could be the first question.
Jul 23 11:27:27 [JPDeFillippo> I don't see this on the schedule. What is this one supposed to be about?
Jul 23 11:27:34 [HeikoHebig> not yet
Jul 23 11:27:34 [pencoyd> question is whether the new audience finds this new
Jul 23 11:27:39 [theagent> first question: "Why did I pay money to listen to this?"
Jul 23 11:27:44 [wehriam> Corporate transparancy or something
Jul 23 11:27:53 [seanbonner> "hi, I'm Sean Bonner, can someone on the panel please tell me something new?"
Jul 23 11:28:11 [pencoyd> Sean, remember the Golden Rule.
Jul 23 11:28:29 [wehriam> Yes, you'd have to tell them something new first.
Jul 23 11:28:39 [pencoyd> like the bounding Windows logo?
Jul 23 11:28:44 [pencoyd> that's sponsorship
Jul 23 11:28:47 [pencoyd> ;-)
Jul 23 11:28:52 [stowe> another yawnfest?
Jul 23 11:29:11 [seanbonner> JPDeFillippo: buisiness transparency
Jul 23 11:29:23 [theagent> I think we had a great idea at O'Reilly ETech... we just need LobbyCon
Jul 23 11:29:30 [theagent> no money.. just find a hotel lobby
Jul 23 11:29:38 [teknowcrat> have they answered the question: How will social media generate new businesses and how will they impact old line businesses?
Jul 23 11:29:39 [seanbonner> theagent: 'zactly
Jul 23 11:29:58 [seanbonner> the lobby is where it's at
Jul 23 11:29:59 [teknowcrat> this track is: business models & business impact
Jul 23 11:30:16 [theagent> teknowcrat, you have to be kidding... really?
Jul 23 11:30:18 [teknowcrat> and the ? to be addressed here is as i wrote above
Jul 23 11:30:25 [theagent> howw the hell does this session live up to that?
Jul 23 11:30:57 [theagent> seanbonner, BTW, SENT was interesting....
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Jul 23 11:31:26 [seanbonner> thanks
Jul 23 11:31:38 [stowe> is it lunch?
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Jul 23 11:32:12 [theagent> at least we have a chyron on this webcast...
Jul 23 11:32:19 [theagent> they missed the boat at AlwaysOn
Jul 23 11:32:31 [JPDeFillippo> oh god
Jul 23 11:32:40 [seanbonner> someone shoot me
Jul 23 11:32:43 [pencoyd> stop HIM now
Jul 23 11:32:47 [teknowcrat> who is this guy?
Jul 23 11:32:53 [seanbonner> my name is up there
Jul 23 11:32:56 [seanbonner> wtf?
Jul 23 11:32:57 [theagent> think I'll go for lunch
Jul 23 11:32:57 [teknowcrat> he's not on the agenda
Jul 23 11:32:57 [HeikoHebig> i dont have video, but the audio of this guy...
Jul 23 11:32:57 [JPDeFillippo> tell him to stop eating the mic
Jul 23 11:33:08 [seanbonner> this guy thinks he's a riot
Jul 23 11:34:15 [seanbonner> bah bah bah
Jul 23 11:34:37 [seanbonner> what the hell is going on right now?
Jul 23 11:34:40 [seanbonner> anyone?
Jul 23 11:34:43 [seanbonner> anyone?
Jul 23 11:35:07 [seanbonner> the network is all jumpy again
Jul 23 11:36:31 Python interface unloaded
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Jul 23 11:39:40 [theagent> and they're back again
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Jul 23 11:40:24 [theagent> some idiot probably set his wifi card to the same SSID as the conference
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Jul 23 11:40:47 [seanbonner> back
Jul 23 11:41:06 [JoiIto> idiots
Jul 23 11:41:10 [theagent> nice... algorithms vs. editors
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Jul 23 11:41:30 [theagent> can this conference be more f'd up
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Jul 23 11:41:37 [seanbonner> is it just me or does this guy sound like he's trying to scare people?
Jul 23 11:41:47 [seanbonner> or at least scared himself?
Jul 23 11:41:48 [theagent> what has this got to do with the subject of this session?
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Jul 23 11:42:03 [andymatic> He sounds very gloom and doom.
Jul 23 11:42:14 [theagent> blah blah blah
Jul 23 11:42:23 [seanbonner> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 23 11:42:27 [andymatic> Like most major newspaper stories aren't based on press releases already.
Jul 23 11:42:30 [JPDeFillippo> I didn't know that it had been UN-invented
Jul 23 11:42:31 [stowe> anything 98 years old is dumb
Jul 23 11:42:42 [seanbonner> SHUT UP! People are using search engines looking for NEWS? NO!!
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Jul 23 11:42:44 [theagent> this guy is 98 years old
Jul 23 11:42:46 [stowe> print is dead
Jul 23 11:42:53 [wehriam> email is dead.
Jul 23 11:43:03 [stowe> email delenda est
Jul 23 11:43:08 [seanbonner> jesus fucking christ.
Jul 23 11:43:22 * stowe quotes Latin at the least excuse
Jul 23 11:43:23 [theagent> who picked these guys?
Jul 23 11:43:27 [teknowcrat> what the heck?
Jul 23 11:43:37 [mikesigal> sean...are your sites indexed in real time?
Jul 23 11:43:42 [JPDeFillippo> get a job
Jul 23 11:43:51 [seanbonner> mike - yes.
Jul 23 11:43:51 [stowe> i like the no ppt rule; why break it
Jul 23 11:43:53 [theagent> corporate communications departments...
Jul 23 11:44:10 [teknowcrat> how is this answering the question posed on biz models & biz impacts?
Jul 23 11:44:22 [theagent> this has NOTHING to do with the subject matter
Jul 23 11:44:32 [seanbonner> does this guy have a blog?
Jul 23 11:44:37 [teknowcrat> lol
Jul 23 11:44:37 [theagent> oh god... now we're getting into search terms
Jul 23 11:44:38 [seanbonner> I want to make sure NEVER to go there
Jul 23 11:44:43 [stowe> no, but its what he wants to talk about
Jul 23 11:44:45 [HeikoHebig> he has a fax
Jul 23 11:44:56 [seanbonner> HeikoHebig: he has a typewriter
Jul 23 11:45:09 [seanbonner> he faxes blog posts to google
Jul 23 11:45:50 [andymatic> Is he going to start crying?
Jul 23 11:45:50 [rvr> HeikoHebig: Hi :)
Jul 23 11:45:50 [theagent> I hope he publishes his fax number at the end of the powerpoint
Jul 23 11:45:50 [rvr> HeikoHebig: I'm Victor
Jul 23 11:45:50 [teknowcrat> powerpoint slides on a panel?
Jul 23 11:45:50 [HeikoHebig> i am not sure i get the deeper meaning of this presentation
Jul 23 11:45:50 [HeikoHebig> hi victor!
Jul 23 11:45:50 [teknowcrat> how is using pp illustrative of this new social media?
Jul 23 11:45:51 [wehriam> ok so great that a news search engine shows up press releases
Jul 23 11:45:51 [ChristopherA> I'm spacing on his topic myself.
Jul 23 11:45:51 [rvr> HeikoHebig: Congrats for typepad.de launch! :)
Jul 23 11:45:51 [wseltzer_> press release optimization. wrong audience...
Jul 23 11:45:52 [HeikoHebig> sshh ,-)
Jul 23 11:45:54 [theagent> someone switch the projector to the backchannel
Jul 23 11:46:01 [ChristopherA> ;-)
Jul 23 11:46:06 [wseltzer_> theagent++
Jul 23 11:46:07 [teknowcrat> let's project the backchannel on the screen behind the speakers
Jul 23 11:46:13 [rvr> HeikoHebig: :))
Jul 23 11:46:15 [stowe> theagent++
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Jul 23 11:46:32 [theagent> zzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ
Jul 23 11:46:36 [wehriam> I think he's talking about PR being able to communicate directly with consumers
Jul 23 11:46:36 [seanbonner> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 23 11:46:39 [teknowcrat> theagent: guess i just type slower than you...
Jul 23 11:46:58 [seanbonner> i think this "speach" should have been given to a bunch of newspaper editors
Jul 23 11:47:02 [wseltzer_> Shall we all start throwing paper airplanes?
Jul 23 11:47:10 [teknowcrat> let's!
Jul 23 11:47:14 [wehriam> this should have been titled "The Internet is Awesome"
Jul 23 11:47:16 [theagent> someone pull a fire alarm or something
Jul 23 11:47:18 [wseltzer_> since he doesn't have a computer to ping
Jul 23 11:47:19 [seanbonner> JoiIto: can i still throw that spitball for you?
Jul 23 11:47:42 [wehriam> "Volve: Boxy, but good."
Jul 23 11:47:48 [HeikoHebig> hi joi, didn't see you sneak in here
Jul 23 11:47:49 [wehriam> Volvo, rather.
Jul 23 11:47:53 [teknowcrat> no don't add!!!
Jul 23 11:47:57 [wseltzer_> the lack of applause is deafening
Jul 23 11:48:07 [theagent> what was the name of that 80's movie that talked about telling the truth
Jul 23 11:48:16 [HeikoHebig> back to the future?
Jul 23 11:48:18 [wehriam> Crazy People
Jul 23 11:48:18 [seanbonner> I want to start talking real loud on my cell phone "I CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW! I'M AT A REALLY STUPID PANEL!"
Jul 23 11:48:19 [wehriam> I think
Jul 23 11:48:26 [theagent> that movie was hilarious
Jul 23 11:48:38 [teknowcrat> theagent: sex, lies, and videotape? :)
Jul 23 11:48:47 [wehriam> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099316/
Jul 23 11:48:51 [seanbonner> theagent: harry and the hendersons?
Jul 23 11:48:51 [theagent> it was Crazy People
Jul 23 11:49:11 [JPDeFillippo> Ah yeah! I used to have a prop from that movie!
Jul 23 11:49:39 [wehriam> "Porsche. It's a little too small to get laid IN it, but you get laid the minute you get out of it!"
Jul 23 11:49:41 [JPDeFillippo> Giant poster of a hot chick next to a Jaguar with the tagline "Jaguar. For men who want handjobs from women they hardly know"
Jul 23 11:49:47 [seanbonner> a quick scan of laptops in the audience shows that most people are reading some news site
Jul 23 11:49:47 [theagent> the concept was a bunch of mental patients that started writing absolutely blunt PR
Jul 23 11:50:15 [pencoyd> wrong audience, wrong audience, wrong audience
Jul 23 11:50:17 [pencoyd> oh boy
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Jul 23 11:50:32 [seanbonner> theagent: "Volvos - boxy but safe!"
Jul 23 11:50:33 [JPDeFillippo> much like th epanel. ouch
Jul 23 11:50:36 [teknowcrat> where's our disruptive strategy?
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Jul 23 11:50:47 [theagent> what?
Jul 23 11:50:49 [theagent> what?
Jul 23 11:50:53 [theagent> please....
Jul 23 11:50:54 [teknowcrat> yikes!!!
Jul 23 11:50:57 [JPDeFillippo> Wasn't it Ugly but safe?
Jul 23 11:51:02 [wehriam> Boxy but good
Jul 23 11:51:03 [wehriam> I thought
Jul 23 11:51:13 [seanbonner> my panel is up next, should I bring my laptop up to scan the back channel?
Jul 23 11:51:20 [teknowcrat> YES
Jul 23 11:51:23 [ChristopherA> Please.
Jul 23 11:51:23 [theagent> YES
Jul 23 11:51:38 [theagent> maybe you should tell the audience that there is a backchannel
Jul 23 11:51:38 [wehriam> That would be good
Jul 23 11:51:42 [seanbonner> this guy has asked a question every time
Jul 23 11:52:01 [teknowcrat> breathe in, breathe out
Jul 23 11:52:04 [theagent> my stomach is turning
Jul 23 11:52:05 [stowe> steve is cool
Jul 23 11:52:21 [seanbonner> did I mention I hate talking in front of people?
Jul 23 11:52:32 [theagent> I have two words for these clowns...."TRUST NETWORKS"
Jul 23 11:52:41 [theagent> mass media is dead
Jul 23 11:52:42 [stowe> oho. a phobia! let's pick you to pieces.
Jul 23 11:52:43 [teknowcrat> ah, but you're great at talking backchannel sean
Jul 23 11:52:46 [seanbonner> what if I only answered questions on the backchannel
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Jul 23 11:52:53 [teknowcrat> do it
Jul 23 11:53:03 [wseltzer_> seanbonnner: that would be answering more questions than many of the panelists
Jul 23 11:53:03 [stowe> cool idea
Jul 23 11:53:06 [seanbonner> I'll have the moderator read a statement for me
Jul 23 11:53:09 [teknowcrat> we can take turns reading your answers
Jul 23 11:53:16 [teknowcrat> true audience participation
Jul 23 11:53:27 [teknowcrat> would be social media like
Jul 23 11:53:27 [wehriam> seriously though, put the backchannel on the overhead
Jul 23 11:53:34 [teknowcrat> YES
Jul 23 11:53:44 [seanbonner> i'll ask if they can do it. probably wont
Jul 23 11:53:44 [theagent> inform the rest of the audience that there is a backchannel... and BTW: despite rumors to the contrary... this is not a blog
Jul 23 11:53:50 [wehriam> whatver don't even ask
Jul 23 11:53:53 [HeikoHebig> is this a fax?
Jul 23 11:53:59 [JPDeFillippo> Use your Ninja skills on this panel and just get it over with
Jul 23 11:54:03 [seanbonner> this is a press release
Jul 23 11:54:04 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: they have pp you have backchannel
Jul 23 11:54:08 [teknowcrat> make a statement
Jul 23 11:54:14 [teknowcrat> be social media
Jul 23 11:54:16 [wehriam> just hook it up then make them take it down
Jul 23 11:54:24 [theagent> lets submit the logfile of the backchannel to GoogleNews
Jul 23 11:54:30 [HeikoHebig> lol
Jul 23 11:54:33 [wehriam> as a release.
Jul 23 11:54:36 [seanbonner> i'm going to post the logfile at the break
Jul 23 11:54:38 [JPDeFillippo> Problem with putting the backchannel on the projector is that no one listens to what's being said
Jul 23 11:54:45 [seanbonner> JPDeFillippo: all the better
Jul 23 11:54:50 [teknowcrat> indeed
Jul 23 11:54:53 [seanbonner> people are full of shit anyway, I know I am.
Jul 23 11:54:56 [JPDeFillippo> Liz made some good points about this at Supernova
Jul 23 11:55:07 [wehriam> please put it up, that would be hysterical
Jul 23 11:55:09 [teknowcrat> jpdefillippo: i was on that panel
Jul 23 11:55:10 [theagent> noticed how he qualified he's a "working member" of the press... not unemployed
Jul 23 11:55:15 [teknowcrat> with liz
Jul 23 11:55:42 [stowe> "death by television"
Jul 23 11:55:42 [wehriam> harsh
Jul 23 11:55:44 [HeikoHebig> he is an embedded journalist
Jul 23 11:55:52 [theagent> I've been eating lots of fiber, so not really full of shit right now
Jul 23 11:56:10 [wehriam> is anyone from Gawker here?
Jul 23 11:56:18 [JPDeFillippo> teknowcrat: at least it seems their backchannel is working unlike ours was :-)
Jul 23 11:56:34 [JPDeFillippo> Grumpy Old Men
Jul 23 11:56:38 [teknowcrat> lol
Jul 23 11:56:46 [theagent> I think Buzz is in my LinkedIn contacts... ;-)
Jul 23 11:56:55 [teknowcrat> buzz is the only one i want to hear on this panel
Jul 23 11:56:57 [seanbonner> these four guys have a collective age of 2,000
Jul 23 11:57:02 [JPDeFillippo> LOL!
Jul 23 11:57:03 [teknowcrat> please stop describing him
Jul 23 11:57:14 [JPDeFillippo> harhar
Jul 23 11:57:17 [andymatic> holy crap - that's funny
Jul 23 11:57:20 [HeikoHebig> maybe this guy is in orkut
Jul 23 11:57:33 [theagent> oh... Activewords
Jul 23 11:57:37 [theagent> funny....
Jul 23 11:57:48 [theagent> spell checker
Jul 23 11:57:52 [JPDeFillippo> Buzz has a pulse
Jul 23 11:58:03 [seanbonner> first one.
Jul 23 11:58:06 [theagent> explains a lot
Jul 23 11:58:11 [seanbonner> seems to have an idea whats up.
Jul 23 11:58:12 [teknowcrat> indeed
Jul 23 11:58:19 [teknowcrat> he does
Jul 23 11:58:22 [pencoyd> name dropper
Jul 23 11:58:24 [HeikoHebig> cluetrain, that's new
Jul 23 11:58:35 [HeikoHebig> is weinberger in the audience?
Jul 23 11:58:36 [JPDeFillippo> but he didn't harp on it.
Jul 23 11:58:40 [stowe> "all businesses are best considered as a network of conversations." Gregory Bateson 1964
Jul 23 11:58:45 [seanbonner> he's the first one on the panel who has said the word "blog"
Jul 23 11:59:00 [JPDeFillippo> We need Cluetrain 2: Blogger Boogaloo.
Jul 23 11:59:06 [stowe> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004W543.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Jul 23 11:59:16 [seanbonner> who are the smart bloggers?
Jul 23 11:59:23 [theagent> don't even try bashing apple...
Jul 23 11:59:27 [JPDeFillippo> Everyone on Livejournal
Jul 23 11:59:33 [seanbonner> so the smart bloggers are suckers?
Jul 23 11:59:33 [HeikoHebig> really smart bloggers? here in irc :)=
Jul 23 11:59:55 [seanbonner> the really smart bloggers are sheep?
Jul 23 11:59:58 [JPDeFillippo> I used to write about his product. I said why doesn'tt this shit work on Mac.
Jul 23 12:00:05 [pencoyd> May 1964 - The Computers of Tomorrow http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/flashbks/computer/greenbf.htm
Jul 23 12:00:08 [theagent> hold on... gonna go look up ActiveWords on Techorati
Jul 23 12:00:31 [theagent> get off the fucking Mac users...
Jul 23 12:00:48 [seanbonner> dude next to me just ordered the cluetrain manifesto on amazon
Jul 23 12:01:02 [HeikoHebig> digital goody bag?
Jul 23 12:01:02 [JPDeFillippo> Ah shit! No more vid
Jul 23 12:01:02 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: don't malign sheep please
Jul 23 12:01:02 [theagent> hahah
Jul 23 12:01:07 [JPDeFillippo> BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Out him on your panel!
Jul 23 12:01:14 [wehriam> don't malign Livejournal either.
Jul 23 12:01:14 [JPDeFillippo> Spot the newb
Jul 23 12:01:28 [theagent> next he'll be asking for how your spell "searls"
Jul 23 12:01:34 [HeikoHebig> lol
Jul 23 12:01:34 [JPDeFillippo> RarelyLiveJournal
Jul 23 12:01:43 [seanbonner> uh, is that Dr. Searls?
Jul 23 12:02:00 [JPDeFillippo> Dude! Coffee. Out. Noce.
Jul 23 12:02:00 [teknowcrat> doc
Jul 23 12:02:07 [pencoyd> As We May Think - 1945... and still revolutionary http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/flashbks/computer/bushf.htm
Jul 23 12:02:16 [stowe> the memex!
Jul 23 12:02:26 [HeikoHebig> can he talk for hours?
Jul 23 12:02:35 [JPDeFillippo> He's discovered the Microphone!
Jul 23 12:02:36 [stowe> covoq?
Jul 23 12:02:40 [stowe> Convoq!
Jul 23 12:02:56 [theagent> has he discovered FAX?
Jul 23 12:02:58 [wehriam> No.
Jul 23 12:03:01 [seanbonner> maybe my panel will get shortened to 5 minutes
Jul 23 12:03:13 [JPDeFillippo> but watch out for the press release next month in the Washington Post
Jul 23 12:03:18 [HeikoHebig> so the message is: blogs are cool
Jul 23 12:03:22 [theagent> this is all about him selling his product
Jul 23 12:03:28 [stowe> not another story!
Jul 23 12:03:29 [teknowcrat> hey sean, you have a great lineup on your panel
Jul 23 12:03:40 [seanbonner> teknowcrat: i
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Sean Bonner, Bode Media Inc.
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Chris Tolles, Topix.net
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Mark Pincus, Tribe
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Craig Newmark, Craig's List
Jul 23 12:03:50 [wehriam> and backchannel
Jul 23 12:03:56 [HeikoHebig> "i believe in blogs" is a nice quote
Jul 23 12:04:00 [seanbonner> I'm looking foorward to it, but it's supposed to be 30 minutes, don't know how much we can cover.
Jul 23 12:04:08 [stowe> blogs are not an answer to information explosion
Jul 23 12:04:09 [JPDeFillippo> I belive in Scotch
Jul 23 12:04:15 [stowe> the information age is dead
Jul 23 12:04:21 [seanbonner> I'll try to get backchannel added as a 5th panelist
Jul 23 12:04:29 [teknowcrat> scotch is an answer to information explosion?
Jul 23 12:04:30 [theagent> Vodka for me
Jul 23 12:04:31 [stowe> we are in the post-everything economy
Jul 23 12:04:43 [seanbonner> stowe: everything is so yesterday
Jul 23 12:04:46 [HeikoHebig> RSS
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Jul 23 12:04:50 [teknowcrat> stowe: post post?
Jul 23 12:04:54 [JPDeFillippo> How many people are actually there? What's the attendance?
Jul 23 12:04:57 [stowe> yeah
Jul 23 12:05:04 [stowe> 300
Jul 23 12:05:05 [theagent> its gonna be about "machine readable" dumbass
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Jul 23 12:05:18 [JPDeFillippo> 300 there and only 28 in the backchannel and most of us are remote
Jul 23 12:05:30 [JPDeFillippo> Break a leg guys
Jul 23 12:05:34 [theagent> turning attention to the backchannel
Jul 23 12:05:49 [theagent> [-- raises hand
Jul 23 12:05:52 [wehriam> sweet
Jul 23 12:05:56 [rkrato> I am!
Jul 23 12:05:57 [HeikoHebig> install an IRC client then
Jul 23 12:06:00 [stowe> uh-oh
Jul 23 12:06:03 [rvr> Mozilla :)
Jul 23 12:06:07 [wehriam> oh dear
Jul 23 12:06:08 [theagent> pull up a web based irc client
Jul 23 12:06:08 [stowe> make you bed
Jul 23 12:06:13 [xian> get ready who's, to shout "we are here we are here"
Jul 23 12:06:28 [stowe> brush your teeth, your Aunt and Uncle are coming over
Jul 23 12:06:32 * HeikoHebig shaves
Jul 23 12:06:58 [theagent> question from the audience... "What is a backchannel"
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Jul 23 12:06:58 * xian depilates
Jul 23 12:06:58 * stowe pulls on his pants
Jul 23 12:06:58 [HeikoHebig> lol
Jul 23 12:06:58 [theagent> I thought it was a blog
Jul 23 12:07:03 [JPDeFillippo> Play some keystone cops music while they figure this out
Jul 23 12:07:03 [pencoyd> boo
Jul 23 12:07:08 [wehriam> damn, all dressed up and no place to go.
Jul 23 12:07:22 [HeikoHebig> did the audio stop?
Jul 23 12:07:35 [HeikoHebig> ah
Jul 23 12:07:42 [JerryM> heiko, are you at BlogOn?
Jul 23 12:07:43 [teknowcrat> xian: depilitates?
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Jul 23 12:07:51 [xian> the machine up there has no browser-based wiki?
Jul 23 12:07:51 [JerryM> I love your list of aggregators
Jul 23 12:07:53 * HeikoHebig is in Germany
Jul 23 12:07:54 [xian> debilitates, yes
Jul 23 12:07:58 * stowe takes his pants back off
Jul 23 12:08:01 [JerryM> schade
Jul 23 12:08:10 [HeikoHebig> jerry: thanks, but that's hAiko hebig, not me
Jul 23 12:08:13 [theagent> just lost the stream
Jul 23 12:08:16 [theagent> great
Jul 23 12:08:17 [JPDeFillippo> damn, there goes the vid again
Jul 23 12:08:24 [JerryM> ah, rats!
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Jul 23 12:08:29 [HeikoHebig> haiko hebig and heiko hebig are 2 different guys ,)
Jul 23 12:08:42 [JerryM> there's a picture with both of you on the Web, right?
Jul 23 12:08:43 [xian> what about hiiko hebig?
Jul 23 12:08:46 [JPDeFillippo> How can we effectively mock the panel with no video?
Jul 23 12:08:47 [HeikoHebig> that's right
Jul 23 12:09:27 [theagent> why is the stream puking now..?
Jul 23 12:09:40 [pencoyd> did they stream last night?
Jul 23 12:09:45 [wehriam> this guy should get the nobel prize.
Jul 23 12:09:51 [theagent> this SUX
Jul 23 12:09:54 [stowe> I have been dropped a few times from the wireless too
Jul 23 12:10:04 [pencoyd> wireless is definitely spotty here
Jul 23 12:10:08 [teknowcrat> JPDeFillippo: we can stage a smart mob from the audience
Jul 23 12:10:12 [pencoyd> but we're stress testing it
Jul 23 12:10:24 [JPDeFillippo> heh
Jul 23 12:10:26 [pencoyd> good philosophy
Jul 23 12:10:32 [stowe> "life is unfair" - JFK
Jul 23 12:10:37 [pencoyd> life isn't fair, but try and make it a little more fair
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Jul 23 12:10:45 [teknowcrat> is true, i interviewed craig
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Jul 23 12:10:49 [teknowcrat> for the ss weblog
Jul 23 12:10:56 [theagent> bah..... fix the freaking stream
Jul 23 12:11:05 [teknowcrat> and he was doing cust svc whilst speaking
Jul 23 12:11:19 [JPDeFillippo> I think Sean must have cut the fiber so I couldn't mock effectively.
Jul 23 12:11:24 [pencoyd> Who is Helen Thomas?
Jul 23 12:11:34 [teknowcrat> ?
Jul 23 12:11:37 [JPDeFillippo> Ah, I jumped my conn speed pref way down and it works pretty well now
Jul 23 12:11:51 [theagent> finally it's back
Jul 23 12:11:55 [JerryM> Helen Thomas is the senior White House correspondent. Has been around forever. How'd she come up?
Jul 23 12:12:08 [JPDeFillippo> Doh!
Jul 23 12:12:09 [teknowcrat> craig mentioned her
Jul 23 12:12:15 [theagent> Helen Thomas is a professional heckler stationed at the White House
Jul 23 12:12:25 [pencoyd> Craig gave her a shout
Jul 23 12:12:30 [theagent> she also has a fax
Jul 23 12:12:40 [stowe> http://slate.msn.com/id/2080034/
Jul 23 12:12:51 [theagent> stream just dropped again.......
Jul 23 12:12:53 [theagent> damn
Jul 23 12:12:53 [JerryM> I'm IMing with a friend who's telling me that the video feed just flaked, paying attention to the IRC, helping Francis in the next seat get on IRC, so I completely missed what Craig said on the panel :(
Jul 23 12:13:23 [stowe> he was well modulated
Jul 23 12:13:24 [HeikoHebig> my audio went dead
Jul 23 12:13:27 [teknowcrat> jerrym: heath rowe probably got it all
Jul 23 12:13:28 [theagent> I've missed most of what Craig said... the stream failed badly
Jul 23 12:13:34 [JPDeFillippo> stream is fubar
Jul 23 12:13:37 [GregGersh> my everything went dead :(
Jul 23 12:13:44 [JerryM> heath is approaching verbatim speeds, isn't he?
Jul 23 12:13:47 [theagent> its going in and out
Jul 23 12:13:51 [-- netweaver has quit ("Oops. This machine just fell asleep")
Jul 23 12:13:55 [teknowcrat> indeed
Jul 23 12:14:01 [stowe> mark is talking about what I can "attention strategy"
Jul 23 12:14:14 [JPDeFillippo> is there going to be an archive of this vid anywhere? We can retro-heckle
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Jul 23 12:14:31 [stowe> metrosexuals
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Jul 23 12:14:44 [JerryM> hey, howard!
Jul 23 12:14:50 [HeikoHebig> bloggers are single?
Jul 23 12:14:52 [theagent> the stream has stabilized
Jul 23 12:14:55 [Howard> Hey Jerry, hi from NYU
Jul 23 12:15:10 [Howard> the streaming is still flakey at this side of the world
Jul 23 12:15:16 [stowe> which howard is that?
Jul 23 12:15:21 [JerryM> Greenstein
Jul 23 12:15:21 [rkrato> It's flakey in FL
Jul 23 12:15:27 [theagent> a conference wiki can be found @ http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi
Jul 23 12:16:01 [stowe> oh
Jul 23 12:16:01 [tedr> I like Mak, but he should go to burningman.com boards
Jul 23 12:16:01 [Howard> howard.greenstein@nyu
Jul 23 12:16:01 [tedr> Mak = Mark
Jul 23 12:16:09 [theagent> he partnered with a talking car?
Jul 23 12:16:10 [JerryM> does Pinkus grok what's going on here?
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Jul 23 12:16:19 [JPDeFillippo> Is anyone photo documenting this con?
Jul 23 12:16:59 [pencoyd> the amazing part about this conf so far is how hard it is, with all these bloggers and tools, to actually round it all up
Jul 23 12:17:00 [stowe> am i still here?
Jul 23 12:17:06 [pencoyd> so far, Feedster is doing a better job than Technorait
Jul 23 12:17:12 [pencoyd> Technorati
Jul 23 12:17:31 [teknowcrat> stowe: you are
Jul 23 12:17:35 [wehriam> m. haughey was running around with a digital rebel yesterday
Jul 23 12:17:37 [netweaver> multiple logins for everything are part of the problem - where is persistant identity?
Jul 23 12:17:38 [JPDeFillippo> Supernova did a good job of rounding everyone up BEFORE the con started so we were all in one place
Jul 23 12:17:44 [tedr> I can see your hat Stowe
Jul 23 12:17:48 [JPDeFillippo> and you could easily find who was writing what
Jul 23 12:17:50 [teknowcrat> pencoyd: but none are consistent enuf
Jul 23 12:18:08 [HeikoHebig> speak up, please
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> WOOOT!
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> Werd to my homie!
Jul 23 12:25:32 [tedr> netweaver: you can hate me if you want, but single login will never come in capitalist society w/ public implementation
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Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> And the stream goes dead
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> ...
Jul 23 12:25:32 [Howard> and the stream is back and gone
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> yep... the stream dropped again
Jul 23 12:25:32 [Howard> I'm seeing crazy pixelated susan mernit. Hi susan
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> great
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> right when Sean gets up
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> it's totally dead
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> SUX
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> what is he talking about? Anyone? Bueller?
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> seanbonner, if you're reading this... don't say a word till the stream comes back
Jul 23 12:25:33 [Howard> QT seems to favor video over audio - the video continues when audio gives out. weird
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> timeout now
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> finally getting an error message
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> Ok, well the gods of the backchannel have spoken
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> I wonder what server they're using to serve up this stream
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> crackerjack box and a 9volt battery from the looks of it
Jul 23 12:25:33 [-- scobleizer has quit ()
Jul 23 12:25:33 [Howard> its back
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> mine is still dead
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> still hung for me. Blew up on changing transports
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> quicktime can't connect
Jul 23 12:25:33 [HeikoHebig> totally dead here
Jul 23 12:25:33 [GregGersh> I got nothing...
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> there it is
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> ok... finally back here too
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> spoke too soon
Jul 23 12:25:33 [teknowcrat> sean is not looking at his laptop
Jul 23 12:25:33 [teknowcrat> he's done speaking already
Jul 23 12:25:33 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: recap for the channel
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> ah screw it
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> rank... this is just rank
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> "note to self": If promoting a webcast... invest in decent service
Jul 23 12:25:33 [GregGersh> I can't even load the berkeley page...it might be a problem with the University's stuff.
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> are the guys running this at the conference even aware there is a major problem?
Jul 23 12:25:33 [-- teknowcrat has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> someone bootleg an audio stream from within the conference
Jul 23 12:25:44 [GregGersh> unless they're on here...probably not.
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Jul 23 12:26:37 [JoiIto> why does every conference have crappy streaming except crappy conferences?
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Jul 23 12:26:47 [theagent> great question
Jul 23 12:27:00 [pencoyd> network returns
Jul 23 12:27:08 [GregGersh> is anyone on the channel in the conference?
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