These are from Wednesday morning and mostly from the Blue Chip Products: 2006 Report Card talk by Joel Spolsky. Logs in extended entry...

[tags: etech etech2006 ]

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10:05:29 *** You are now talking on #etech
10:05:29 --- Topic for #etech is More Bandwidth Please
10:05:29 --- Topic for #etech set by seanbonner at Wed Mar 8 08:59:14
10:05:36 [lhl] suggestion: be less boring, there will be less surfing
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10:05:36 [jonl] Jaws, eh?
10:05:37 * neezee is taking for suggestion on something like a verizon card for an independant net access in the usa? *grr*
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10:05:55 [jonl] Jumping the shark.
10:06:03 [TomCoates] what was that shiny thing?!
10:06:12 [twra2] it's nice, isn't it?
10:06:12 [TomCoates] he did a shiny thing - it looked cool
10:06:20 [justatheory] yeah, it did
10:06:32 [justatheory] It has a plum software logo on it
10:06:38 [dotBen] oooh, exerstential
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10:06:41 [[guest]] fraying: yeah! i actually thought more about that kind of event than performer-centered
10:06:45 [KevinMarks] PT has an EVDO card, I used it to download steph's video for my demo
10:06:46 [twra2] ah. so it's the whizzbang tool
10:07:02 [fraying] those events would have a better chance of succeeding, too
10:07:03 [dotBen] Didn't Tim actually shout "No, you *log* off"?
10:07:07 [TantekC] yes
10:07:09 [dotBen] that would have been funnier
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10:07:29 [TomCoates] Tim rocks
10:07:34 [TomCoates] I don't think he can mean us
10:07:37 [cspurgeon] Terrible visual design to have that ppt header on every slide
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10:07:56 [TomCoates] you know what's good for presentations?
10:07:59 [TomCoates] presentation software
10:08:08 [seanbonner] no!
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10:08:09 [AvantBard] seriously
10:08:10 [jonl] Not always.
10:08:11 [justatheory] big time
10:08:15 [rodbegbie_] TomCoates: madness!
10:08:15 [fraying] snark!
10:08:15 [genmon] especially custom written presentation software controlled by accelerometers
10:08:17 [dotBen] Like I said, this is exerstential
10:08:18 [mathowie] are the titles blurry gifs?
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10:08:38 [AKChris] terrible design to have that menu at the top of every page
10:08:38 [dotBen] someone pass the bong
10:08:38 [lhl] genmon++
10:08:38 [TomCoates] yeah - accelerometers are really necessary
10:08:41 [twra2] something like a networked Devon* type tool?
10:08:45 [justatheory] mathowie: Yes, they are
10:08:46 [seanbonner] i think the projectors have blur filters on all of them
10:09:09 [zzgavin] genmon yes essential
10:09:09 [twra2] genmon++
10:09:09 * dotBen wonders whether he was born with a plum in his mouth (one for the Brits)
10:09:09 [todbot] accelerometer pants!
10:09:12 [KevinMarks] s5 is good
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10:09:17 [jibot] paula is paula le dieu
10:09:24 [fraying] that's what I used
10:09:28 [justatheory] s5+++
10:09:28 [fraying] s5
10:09:30 [twra2] yay, beachball
10:09:34 [justatheory] I'd like to see Keynote export to S5.
10:09:34 [lhl] todbot, the proper term is trousers
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10:09:44 [genmon] beachball of DEATH
10:09:44 [TomCoates] ?learn paula is goddess of the commons...
10:09:44 [jibot] paula is paula le dieu and goddess of the commons...
10:09:51 [AvantBard] lhl++
10:09:51 [paula] lol
10:09:51 [twra2] oh god, oh god, my battery
10:09:57 [ethan] go Safari!!!!
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10:10:03 [todbot] hahaahahahaha no no, accelerometer underpants!
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10:10:07 [seanbonner] lhl - or really mr smarty trousers??
10:10:12 [ethan] After two versions you'd think Apple would fix its terrible threading in regards to cookies, javascript and rendering
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10:10:24 [dotBen] On his Clipboard??? Arhh, Ray Ozzie now feels rejected
10:10:45 [tengi] no, "the wrong trousers"
10:10:46 [rodbegbie_] seanbonner: glad you said that -- i was ready to make an opticians appointment when I got home
10:10:47 [dotBen] plum were already doing it
10:10:47 [justatheory] ethan: File a WebKit bug report
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10:10:47 [KevinMarks] it's open source, you can fix it...
10:10:47 [psk_] i have a new evdb event i'm request. please assist in bringing elvis to san diego
10:10:47 [psk_] http://eventful.com/demand/D0-001-000000017-9
10:10:47 [rodbegbie_] thought it was just me!
10:10:47 [fraying] groovytrousers
10:10:47 [KevinMarks] join #webkit
10:10:47 [TomCoates] the word plum creeps me out a little
10:10:47 [TomCoates] probably a british thing
10:10:47 [psk_] elvis in san diego request http://eventful.com/demand/D0-001-000000017-9
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10:10:52 [tengi] and they've gone wrong
10:10:52 [AvantBard] plum.com - gotta catch em all!
10:10:52 [holgate] ooh, me plums.
10:11:04 [dotBen] You plum!
10:11:08 [jeffchr] um, live collection = bookmarks
10:11:11 [KevinMarks] plumbing the depths
10:11:22 [justatheory] psk_++
10:11:25 [psk_] let's make elvis in san diego happen
10:11:31 [KevinMarks] yaffv
10:11:36 [psk_] if we all work together ....
10:11:37 [seanbonner] the word "moist" creeps me out a lot
10:11:38 [marksimpkins] uh hu
10:11:49 [fraying] Elvis was a hero to most
10:11:50 [AvantBard] clap your hands if you believe!
10:11:53 [psk_] http://eventful.com/demand/D0-001-000000017-9
10:11:57 [lhl] promote promote promote!
10:11:57 [KevinMarks] Yet Another Flickr For Video
10:11:57 [TomCoates] moist can only really be appropriately used w/r/t chocolate cake
10:12:05 [ethan] i reported it as a bug, its actually supposedly being worked on. if you run a trace on it you can see where the locks are
10:12:06 [dotBen] Seriosuly who has time to assoicate photos to urls?
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10:12:11 [h8ianxpress] nicolesimon, yes i relocated, but got kicked out of my server
10:12:14 [justatheory] Slick Flash thing
10:12:16 [dotBen] as the Microsoft lady said yesteday, who has time to sleep?
10:12:37 [fraying] plumber = mario bros
10:12:43 [KevinMarks] I wasn't joking about #webkit, the dev's live on there
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10:13:07 [h8ianxpress] does this have plummer's crack?
10:13:08 [ethan] ack, rem
10:13:12 [bigtank] i wonder how much the prob is the trunk to the net vs. crowded wifi access pts
10:13:14 [ethan] sigh
10:13:24 [twra2] i do find the nomenclature "collecting people" creepier than "plum"
10:13:29 [bigtank] perhaps we should bring our own wifi APs next year?
10:13:32 [TomCoates] hm. seems a bit of a totalising effort
10:13:39 [todbot] REM and Dido, he is l33t
10:13:41 [seanbonner] are we really being forced to listen to R.E.M.?
10:13:43 [TomCoates] they're always a bit unsatisfying
10:13:44 [twra2] i like the interface on the widgit, though
10:13:46 [AKChris] Plum: be your own big brother
10:13:48 [ethan] I run an REM fansite
10:13:49 [TomCoates] love the widget though
10:13:51 [ethan] no speaking ill about my boys
10:13:51 [TomCoates] very shiny
10:13:52 [AKChris] and shop!
10:13:53 [fraying] Dido makes me want to cry
10:13:54 [rodbegbie_] todbot++++
10:13:58 [dotBen] bigtank: there must be money to be made from offering "premium conf" bandwidth for $5 a day...
10:14:02 [danhon] Er, what happens if I've got ADD and I skip over 10 tracks in the space of 10 seconds?
10:14:02 [TantekC] I find it quite ironic how tech-heavy conferences demonstrate quite well the value of very low bandwidth applications / content etc.
10:14:04 * KevinMarks registers moistplums.com
10:14:07 [AaronF] I tagged an REM roadie once...
10:14:08 [TomCoates] oh that's a NICE idea
10:14:09 [TantekC] IRC appears to be working fine
10:14:09 [AaronF] I mean..
10:14:11 [TomCoates] basic wifi for everyone
10:14:16 [TantekC] Whereas most websites are UNUSABLE.
10:14:18 [TomCoates] premium wifi for supernerds
10:14:20 [cspurgeon] ok to stop the music now dude.
10:14:22 [AvantBard] TantekC: nods
10:14:24 [ethan] they are also port blocking
10:14:26 [TomCoates] probably break the SubEtha stuff though
10:14:27 * seanbonner pukes at the thought of Kevin's domain
10:14:28 [ethan] which I find offensive
10:14:33 [dotBen] man I can't stand the REM any more
10:14:43 [littleg] gotta tunnel http over irc
10:14:44 [lhl] someone please call ascap
10:14:46 [twra2] TomCoates: think you just monetized and securitzied it
10:14:47 [bigtank] tantek: for the moment, but its not stable at all
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10:14:55 [h8ianxpress] they can just squid CAt 5 all over with a bunch of hubs, just like the power
10:14:56 [justatheory] Lots of flash
10:14:57 [fraying] This all seems like a lot of work for no benefit
10:14:59 [ethan] I'm from REM's record company
10:15:01 [ethan] I should C&D him
10:15:02 [dotBen] he's missed the idea of creating a position emotion when you're trying to sell a product. We're all feeling miffed listening to REM
10:15:02 [jknauer] who owns the data that is collected?
10:15:03 [genmon] does this music mean they can't audiocast his keynote, because it's a copyright violation?
10:15:04 [bigtank] ?google moistplum
10:15:05 [fraying] why would I do this?
10:15:07 [jibot] Search for moistplum: 1.139 seconds. Showing first 3 of 4 sites
10:15:07 [jibot] moistplum's User Page - Last.fm - http://www.last.fm/user/moistplum/
10:15:07 [jibot] moistplum's Friends - Last.fm - http://www.last.fm/user/moistplum/friends/
10:15:07 [jibot] Audioscrobbler :: User :: moistplum - http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/moistplum
10:15:17 [twra2] genmon: almost certainly
10:15:18 [seanbonner] Do we have any RIAA people here? Can someone sue him for this?
10:15:22 [lhl] need hecklebot: TURN IT OFF
10:15:28 [dotBen] genmon++ nice
10:15:29 [danhon] can we have a competition for turning off themusic?
10:15:31 [ChrisDodo] this is all a bit too heavy - trying to do everything for seemingly little benefit
10:15:33 [mathowie] I'd prefer a machine to build my own wayback machine, not me. Seems like too much work
10:15:36 [cspurgeon] He probably doesn't hear the music, it's coming via the soundboard and speakers. He doesn't hear his laptop.
10:15:41 [ethan] is he on Bonjour up there?
10:15:41 [holgate] "maybe I could take the mike, stand up tall like michael stipe"
10:15:42 [TomCoates] doot doot doot doot
10:15:45 [TomCoates] doot doot doot doot
10:15:50 [h8ianxpress] is that Freedom rock? well, turn it up!
10:15:50 [danhon] heh
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10:16:02 [todbot] the background music is very distracting
10:16:02 [seanbonner] h8ianxpress++
10:16:03 [justatheory] I wonder if it supports plummer butt
10:16:03 [TantekC] i'm not shiny nor happy right now.
10:16:05 [dotBen] why would you want to do this
10:16:08 [h8ianxpress] talk faster
10:16:09 * TomCoates waves his cigarette lighter
10:16:12 [danhon] would it distract him if we started singing along?
10:16:15 [mathowie] REM is trying to play him off, Oscars style
10:16:15 [cspurgeon] ha
10:16:21 [danhon] would he get the hint?
10:16:21 [ethan] he should play a different song from that record
10:16:21 [dotBen] this seems really pointless. and w're listening to effing REM
10:16:33 [tengi] TomCoates: throw it!
10:16:33 [kaliya] coluld he turn the music off
10:16:34 [genmon] is this music on a chorus loop?
10:16:34 [KevinMarks] hans-peter has been doing this stuff for 15 years
10:16:38 [kaliya] PLEASE!!!!
10:16:39 [TomCoates] this is just hte song
10:16:39 [AKChris] the voices won't stop
10:16:41 [TomCoates] ooh - what next?!
10:16:43 [seanbonner] Kevin - playing REM?
10:16:43 [dano] yeah!
10:16:45 [AaronF] THat's what I was wondering too -- it's a chorus loop
10:16:45 [AvantBard] sweet silence
10:16:46 [danhon] Oooh. I wonder what th enext track is.
10:16:47 [TantekC] yay! music stopped.
10:16:49 [fraying] please, not more
10:16:49 [KevinMarks] he did DiVA
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10:16:49 [lhl] everybody hurts now?
10:16:53 [seanbonner] next song!
10:16:55 [TantekC] oh no.
10:16:57 [dotBen] oooh maybe iTunes is on shuffle
10:16:57 [ethan] next song on the record......Belong
10:16:57 [lhl] nooooooooooooooo
10:16:57 [TomCoates] he's playing the whole album
10:16:57 [ethan] nope, Me In Honey
10:17:00 [fraying] wooo hoo
10:17:01 [dotBen] NO, can YOU!
10:17:04 [h8ianxpress] More cowbell!
10:17:05 [ethan] not in order
10:17:06 [seanbonner] thank christ
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10:17:07 [jibot] smagdali is a person who lives in london & hacks politics & wikipedia & other things & living in london & hacks politics & wikipedia & technorati & other things & blogs at http://www.whitelabel.org
10:17:09 [danhon] dear god
10:17:10 [AaronF] lol
10:17:11 [lhl] nooooooooooooo
10:17:11 [danhon] make it stop.
10:17:13 [dotBen] sound man having a laugh
10:17:14 [seanbonner] AHHHHHH
10:17:15 [fraying] make it sto
10:17:17 [holgate] the ones with the b-52s.
10:17:27 [twra2] shiny ui
10:17:28 [tengi] he can't find his own iTunes?
10:17:28 [ethan] Kate Pierson
10:17:28 [lhl] noooooooooooooo
10:17:28 [bigtank] nice
10:17:28 [AvantBard] oh man
10:17:31 [KevinMarks] hi stef
10:17:33 [AvantBard] ok the music is funny now
10:17:33 [Yoz] WTF++++++
10:17:37 [markp] REM CAN NOT BE SILENCED
10:17:38 [kaliya] STOOOOOP
10:17:38 [smagdali] hey
10:17:47 [dotBen] REM remix mashup: shitty happy plummers
10:17:48 [seanbonner] he's overpowering himseld
10:17:49 [rodbegbie_] Is his time up? Are they trying to play him off?
10:17:49 [holgate] hi stef.
10:17:51 [TantekC] NO YOU TURN OFF THE MUSIC
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10:17:55 [markp] tantekc++
10:17:56 [ethan] R.E.M. brings the noise to tech conferences
10:17:58 [todbot] dotBen ++
10:17:58 [joninsb] no you turn it off
10:17:59 [fraying] shiny happy demos going wrooooooong
10:18:02 [justatheory] tantekc++
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10:18:11 [TantekC] oh great, more annoying sounds
10:18:16 [tengi] joninsb++++
10:18:17 [KevinMarks] what?
10:18:17 [lhl] this is a competition for which shill is most embarrisingly bad right?
10:18:21 [ethan] can anyone figure out what this software is?
10:18:21 [TomCoates] !!!
10:18:21 [AaronF] will it play REM to his cell phone?
10:18:23 [rodbegbie_] Can he call Zimbra from there?
10:18:24 [kaliya] no - not a celphone being called from the computer
10:18:25 [joninsb] maybe he should have taken 24 ours
10:18:26 [dotBen] man what is this stuff about calling a cell phone from your obsecure app?
10:18:26 [tengi] if you order now.....
10:18:26 --- holgate has changed the topic to: "That's us in the conference room, losing our religion."
10:18:26 [seanbonner] It would be rad if we can hear this ring 100 more times
10:18:27 [ethan] http://www.murmurs.com/song/me_in_honey
10:18:29 [ethan] sing along!
10:18:29 [fraying] THEY HAVE A BLOF
10:18:31 [fraying] G
10:18:32 [danhon] Let me guess
10:18:34 [danhon] The cellphone wring won't ever stop
10:18:37 [todbot] BLOF!
10:18:40 [bigtank] rodbegbie++
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10:18:43 [kaliya] can you say etel we saw that like 20 times...oooo
10:18:44 [TomCoates] my bum's gone to sleep
10:18:45 [psk_] "but wait, there's more" has officially entered cliche status
10:18:47 [lhl] ethan: i believe the software is... annoying
10:18:51 [AKChris] maybe itunes and zimbra can talk to each other
10:18:53 [lchism] i was hoping for an REM ringtone
10:18:54 [seanbonner] these seats are teh sux0rz
10:18:59 [fraying] ugh
10:18:59 [dotBen] is it?
10:19:04 [KevinMarks] why is making cellphones ring this years demo?
10:19:06 [dano] who is the customer of this application?
10:19:11 [dotBen] it's official?
10:19:15 [NickDouglas] this channel's bloggable, right?
10:19:15 [twra2] what would be creepy
10:19:19 [twra2] is if it talked to Root
10:19:19 [[1]davidsklar] customer is lonely cellphones that would like to ring more?
10:19:27 [scrumble] Give me your phone number... I'll make your cellphone ring.
10:19:29 [twra2] so that everyting you collected went into your attention account
10:19:37 [psk_] if we all work really hard to soak up all the bandwith maybe that will bring things to halt.
10:19:37 [danhon] customer is ringtoneking!
10:19:38 [fraying] How come all the apps that I'd want to use have awful UI, and the ones what seemingly have no point have nice UI?
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10:19:38 [dano] chuckle
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10:19:38 [dotBen] = "we choose Yahoo! maps cos we'd like to flip to them"
10:19:38 [twra2] it's all myware, you know
10:19:38 [fraying] ugly is the new cool
10:19:40 [TantekC] fraying++
10:19:41 [seanbonner] Nick - I've been posting IRC logs all weekend already - check seanbonner.com
10:19:47 [rodbegbie_] scrumble: I should warn you -- my ringtone is Happy Shiny People
10:19:47 [ethan] his next REM song should be "Fuck Me Kitten" just to throw people off
10:19:49 [h8ianxpress] Cellphones: Telegraph 2.0
10:19:49 [lchism] flickr + cell phone ringing - presentation software = etech presentation
10:19:49 [holgate] dotben++
10:19:50 [jknauer] is it $19.99 for the next 20 mins?
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10:20:00 [fraying] I would like it to have a point, please
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10:20:16 [justatheory] I'd like to have a pint
10:20:16 [ChrisDodo] ithought VCs taught people how to elevator pitch
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10:20:21 [KevinMarks] I met the plentyoffish.com guy in canada, and he was pitching 'lack of design' as an advantage
10:20:28 [lhl] this makes one nostalgic for the good old days of intelligent killer swarming iwobots
10:20:30 [dotBen] I'll embrace him. The rest of you start kicking
10:20:31 [twra2] mattb: do you have power? i'm very low
10:20:39 [bigtank] justatheory: get 2 please
10:20:42 [rodbegbie_] free t-shirt? (ears prick-up)
10:20:46 [KevinMarks] because it made people less suspicious of it being a corporate scam
10:20:47 [marksimpkins] gah, bloody gardening weblogs
10:20:49 [AKChris] embrace and extend his plums please
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10:20:56 [joninsb] obligatory claps...
10:20:56 [justatheory] bigtank: You prefer me more drunk?
10:21:02 [dotBen] mark
10:21:03 [psk_] KevinMarks: Interesting. A nicely inverted way of lowering expecations
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10:21:25 [dotBen] marksimpkins are they blogs live yet?
10:21:26 [ChrisDodo] he should have said: play with my plums
10:21:26 [todbot] is anyone doing a presention on "The conference IRC backchannel as an attention economy black market"?
10:21:26 [marksimpkins] not quite yet
10:21:26 [fraying] inneresting
10:21:30 [dotBen] are ANY of the blogs yet?
10:21:30 [twra2] todbot+++
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10:21:33 [marksimpkins] nope
10:21:40 [twra2] right
10:21:44 [bigtank] justatheory: I'd like the other one
10:21:45 [twra2] i have no power
10:21:46 [twra2] so i'm going to turn this off and pay attention
10:21:48 [twra2] bbl
10:21:56 [ethan] they should run the IRC back channel as a projection somewhere. didn't a conference do that at one point?
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10:21:57 [justatheory] bigtank: Oh. :-)
10:21:57 [fraying] Next year a speaker should go onstage and hold a session entirely in IRC
10:21:57 [marksimpkins] it all got delayed a bit more
10:21:58 [tengi] todbot++
10:22:01 [dotBen] slide++
10:22:11 [dotBen] slide--
10:22:18 [KevinMarks] plenty of power in the back on the left
10:22:18 [jknauer] todbot... when I presented at where2.0 I made sure to have some backup posse on the irc to answer questions
10:22:18 [dotBen] slide--
10:22:18 [AvantBard] thanks for letting us know it was brad pitt
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10:22:21 [TantekC] obligatory slide/photo porn
10:22:21 [todbot] jknauer: awesome
10:22:22 [NickDouglas] ethan: ask dotBen about that
10:22:25 [TomCoates] Tom {hearts} Joel
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10:22:33 [bigtank] so he wants to tell us about last year's talk?
10:22:37 [jeffchr] who's Ian Somerhalder?
10:22:39 [jknauer] I figured it would keep the heckling of our crazy ideas to a dull roar
10:22:42 [justatheory] actor
10:22:45 [TomCoates] he's an actor in Lost
10:22:49 [TomCoates] played Boone
10:22:51 [TomCoates] got killed
10:22:56 [kitt] !!
10:22:57 [danhon] is he in anything now?
10:23:01 [TomCoates] also was in Smallville plakying a bad guy
10:23:02 [holgate] SPOILER ALERT
10:23:02 [ethan] no
10:23:10 [TomCoates] very pretty, not very interesting
10:23:12 [TomCoates] charismafree
10:23:17 [h8ianxpress] umm, shouldn't he have Niel Young on the left and sweet hom on the right?
10:23:20 [KevinMarks] so the plentyoffish chap is the counterpoint here
10:23:21 [fraying] untrue
10:23:21 [bigtank] making people happy is easy. making them shiny AND happy is a pain in the ass
10:23:23 [zzgavin] Tom Spoiler Coates
10:23:31 [TomCoates] sorry!
10:23:34 [rodbegbie_] bigtank++++
10:23:39 [ethan] can we play an AJAX drinking game?
10:23:42 [dotBen] oh the irony Create emotion around your product. The plum guy played "REM".
10:23:44 [ChrisDodo] http://bingo.scrumjax.com
10:23:49 [TomCoates] when I said killed, I meant like AT A PARTY
10:23:49 --- holgate has changed the topic to: [bigtank] making people happy is easy. making them shiny AND happy is a pain in the ass.
10:23:52 [zzgavin] Boone probably deserved it
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10:23:52 [TomCoates] he was the LIFE and SOUL
10:23:56 [TomCoates] did a comedy skit
10:23:56 [ethan] REM is not all bad. he just played the worst songs
10:23:59 [TomCoates] EVERYONE LAUGHED
10:24:01 [ethan] show some love to Athens, GA
10:24:04 [tengi] ethan: don't drink tha AJAX :-)
10:24:11 [jknauer] so joel's using windows and we're supposed to take his design advice? ;-)
10:24:20 [ethan] gradients though!
10:24:22 * holgate loves Athens, GA.
10:24:33 * ethan [3's athens too
10:24:34 [bigtank] h8ianexpress++
10:24:35 [dotBen] rounded corners. web2.0 sites
10:24:36 [AvantBard] ChrisDodo: nice.
10:25:04 [kitt] you can't?
10:25:04 [fraying] Have you tried?
10:25:04 [ChrisDodo] AvantBard: blame Cal.
10:25:05 [KevinMarks] Damien Stolarz has REST on an SUV
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10:25:05 [TomCoates] hang on - WHO HASN'T SEEN THE END OF LOST SERIES ONE!?
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10:25:09 [zzgavin] ]me
10:25:17 [TomCoates] how come?!
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10:25:41 [TomCoates] are you broken!?.
10:25:41 [zzgavin] lazy and you know why
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10:25:41 [scrumble] Will his talk next year also be about his 2005 talk, or will it be about 2006?
10:25:42 [marksimpkins] he didn't watch it ?
10:25:42 [fraying] I'm sure I saw an SUV in LA with breasts on it
10:25:42 [dotBen] For a 15 min presentation Joel is covering QUITE a lot of stuff from last years talk -- which no doubt most of us saw
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10:25:42 [TomCoates] was really good though
10:25:42 [ethan] I haven't caught up on series 2
10:25:42 [ethan] I have them on my ipod
10:25:42 [dotBen] it was good
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10:25:52 [holgate] dotBen: actually, lots of us were in Clay's talk, hearing the laughter through the wall.
10:25:53 [dotBen] best of ETech05
10:26:04 [dotBen] you missed out holgate
10:26:06 [bigtank] crap the net
10:26:09 [holgate] I know.
10:26:09 [h8ianxpress] i love "little ajax things"
10:26:09 [nicolesimon] sig.
10:26:11 [kaliya] ahh more bookmarkeing sites
10:26:16 [dotBen] I thought Tim was the alien in the corner
10:26:19 [mattb] some us of missed BOTH of those talks because they went to hear about python on series 60
10:26:37 [mattb] i suck
10:26:37 [lhl] ipod, ajax? this is cutting edge etech!
10:26:37 [ethan] cute aliens?
10:26:37 [AvantBard] oh my
10:26:37 [danhon] does the alien change or something?
10:26:37 [kaliya] oh yes emerging cute red aliens
10:26:37 [AvantBard] reddit alien is a pikman
10:26:38 [davidsklar] that looks like a teletubby
10:26:40 [jeffchr] cute aliens = huge IPO
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10:26:46 [ethan] 1600 worth of cute aliens?
10:26:47 [h8ianxpress] he looks stoned
10:26:49 [jibot] MysteryQuest is thinking that jibot needs to forget him when he asks that
10:26:49 [nicolesimon] lets all get anime style, yeah.
10:26:50 [dotBen] alien is cute cos he has a bent penis coming out of his head
10:26:51 [ethan] is Joel now telling us to eat babies?
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10:27:03 [seanbonner] IRC logs from yesterday's mictorformats & rich local panels going up now on seanbonner.com
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10:27:04 [rodbegbie] danhon: Yes. More often than Google's logo (for example)
10:27:05 [lhl] babycakes!
10:27:05 [fraying] eatbabies.com
10:27:05 [cspurgeon] [need tighter kerning between the two "d"s]
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10:27:15 [nicolesimon] (i don't think that thing is cute and i am supposed to react even better on such a baby thing)
10:27:16 [jeffchr] taste like chicken
10:27:16 [zzgavin] where is simon
10:27:17 [holgate] modestproposal.com
10:27:19 [jknauer] googlebabylogotreatment
10:27:24 [kaliya] oh it is like google
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10:27:38 [fraying] wow! they change their logo! just like google!
10:27:38 [h8ianxpress] ok seriously wtf
10:27:41 [TomCoates] SImon and I had an idea
10:27:41 [kaliya] 'emotional bonding' with red alients??
10:27:48 [lhl] that's why they're kicking digg's butt, right?
10:27:50 [TomCoates] a serial cartoon on the side of every search results page
10:27:51 [bigtank] ?karmas
10:28:42 [seanbonner] these chairs have officially killed my ass
10:29:24 [KevinMarks] micturoformats?
10:29:24 [TomCoates] that updates every thirty requests
10:29:24 [fraying] heh
10:29:24 [TomCoates] something funny
10:29:24 [TomCoates] then we read somewhere that Microsoft was already thinking about it
10:29:24 [TomCoates] so that spoiled our fun
10:29:24 [ethan] drink!
10:29:24 [TomCoates] no more jokes in the office.
10:29:24 [paula] ?
10:29:24 [jeffchr] wouldn't that be an A-?
10:29:24 [nicolesimon] a+a+b = a, interesting
10:29:24 [AvantBard] BINGO
10:29:24 [lhl] BINGO!
10:29:24 [jknauer] DRINK DRINK DRINK
10:29:24 [jknauer] heh
10:29:24 [AvantBard] beatya lhl
10:29:24 [kaliya] sounds like buzzphraser o matic
10:29:24 [lchism] does it have a good beat? is it easy to dance to?
10:29:25 [fraying] antithetics?
10:29:25 [TomCoates] now I get it....
10:29:25 [dotBen] no drink, this is good
10:29:25 [kaliya] do we have the web 2.0 version of that yet Doc?
10:29:25 [lhl] i had a bum card ;)
10:29:25 [dotBen] but like I said, little new from last year
10:29:30 [ChrisDodo] battery latch is also needed to put SIMs in
10:29:38 [kaliya] BUt their UI SUCKS
10:29:49 [kaliya] Nokia rocks
10:29:52 [dotBen] kaliya++ I hate that phone
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10:29:56 [h8ianxpress] negatively thick, he means
10:30:01 [fraying] I love the pebl
10:30:01 [ethan] Moto's OS sucks, so their phones kind of suck
10:30:02 [AvantBard] moto pebble looks like a butt plug
10:30:04 [dotBen] don't forget they also made the Rokkr -- so they didn't get it all good
10:30:14 [ChrisDodo] pebl was a rip off of a japanese phone :/
10:30:48 [seanbonner] PEBL was a rip off of a rock
10:30:53 [fraying] but yeah the ui sucks
10:30:53 [rodbegbie] kaliya: Yep. My RAZR broke last week, and I'm delighted to be back with Nokia + S60
10:30:53 [tengi] the moto UI has sucked for years
10:30:53 [holgate] the razr is all mouth and no trousers.
10:30:53 [smagdali] he's just lost every bit of credibility in my eyes. motorola phones are the devil
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10:30:53 [dotBen] or pants, holgate
10:30:53 [h8ianxpress] Rocks: Dirt 2.0
10:30:53 [KevinMarks] fondling his stones?
10:30:53 [genmon] joel saying that people like to fondle his stones
10:30:53 [bigtank] yah but that rock on the right has a battery latch
10:30:53 [AKChris] they remind them of plums
10:30:53 [kaliya] I didn't even know I liked my nokia UI (it was the only one I had) and then I got an LG.
10:30:53 [holgate] I just converted my wife from moto to nokia.
10:30:53 [todbot] all mouth, no trouserpants
10:30:53 [KevinMarks] plums, stones, do I see a theme here?
10:30:53 [justatheory] genmon++
10:30:53 [TantekC] "... a phone that people like to fondle"
10:30:53 [nicolesimon] KevinFink yeah, for the playful people :)
10:30:53 [danhon] no grade for UI?
10:30:53 [jeffchr] ok, D for UI?
10:30:56 [danhon] oh, right. "happy"
10:30:58 [ethan] things that can be fondled is the new AJAX
10:31:01 [tengi] F for UI
10:31:05 [dotBen] lol
10:31:13 [TantekC] Web browser is unbelievably slow, and it gets a B overall?
10:31:20 [lhl] moto ui is pretty much what you'd expect after randomly adding onto a startac menu for 20 yrs
10:31:20 [bigtank] ethan++
10:31:20 [h8ianxpress] so, is this recommended a "Strong Buy"?
10:31:20 [TantekC] screw that, give it an F.
10:31:23 [seanbonner] I love how the final grade is a B, even though it's unusuale
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10:31:26 [h8ianxpress] Or should i sell now?
10:31:26 [genmon] my corp. has been making phone-shapes like wooden pebbles. they really are irresistible, it's so weird
10:31:31 [TantekC] BB8700c web browser fricking rocks.
10:31:31 [dotBen] Motrolla sent him a few free phones. so its a B
10:31:31 [KevinMarks] sidekick++
10:31:32 [seanbonner] unusable rather
10:31:47 [TantekC] Here at ETech, it is faster than the laptops with wifi.
10:31:47 [lhl] this is like on a stanford grading curve, right?
10:31:47 [cspurgeon] The Dreyfuss 500 desk phone is the bestselling phone of all time
10:31:47 [holgate] genmon: picking stones for skipping on the beach.
10:31:54 [nicolesimon] well, i think even if i get it for free i will not be wanting to use a nokia
10:31:57 [h8ianxpress] this is the best slide
10:32:03 [TantekC] KevinMarks, I'll go BB8700 vs. Sidekick anyday.
10:32:18 [justatheory] BB8700c? Blackberry?
10:32:18 [TantekC] yes
10:32:18 [AKChris] tin can and string are faster than wifi at etech
10:32:18 [smagdali] cs: that's a fact i'll be dropping into conversation on my next date. thanks
10:32:18 [ethan] i have a ppc6700
10:32:18 [ethan] battery life sucks, but the phone rules
10:32:22 [dotBen] looks visually nice to mee
10:32:45 [seanbonner] carrier pigeon is faster than wifi at etech
10:33:13 [fraying] I wish I could quit my HipTop
10:33:13 [h8ianxpress] yes, more pastels, please
10:33:13 [KevinMarks] how's it's AIM support?
10:33:13 [nicolesimon] can it synchronize with my palm? with my fon? with my desktop?
10:33:13 [TantekC] ethan, i get about 4-5 days on standby on the bat.
10:33:13 [lhl] i hate my ppc6700 - i get random black screens, it's sluggish, and yeah, the batt life is teh suck
10:33:13 [KevinMarks] thats the hiptop killer app
10:33:13 [Yoz] nicolesimon: yes
10:33:13 [TantekC] AIM support = unproductivity.
10:33:13 [smagdali] HAS HE NEVER SEEN SALLING CLICKER?
10:33:13 [Yoz] nicolesimon: AirSet actually syncs with the Palm really well
10:33:13 [ChrisDodo] http://www.au.kddi.com/english/product/lineup/penck/
10:33:13 [ethan] Google Earth is a good J2ME app
10:33:13 [Yoz] it's one of the only web calendars that does
10:33:15 [h8ianxpress] all web 2.0 shall be the color of izod shirts
10:33:15 [ethan] DRINK
10:33:20 [dotBen] sure Opera Java is THE J2me? ap
10:33:23 [nicolesimon] yoz mobile sync is only usuable if done through wifi or direct pc connection, because data plans in germany just suck
10:33:25 [dotBen] Opera Mini even
10:33:34 [seanbonner] this is great "well the UI blows and you can't really use the phone at all but it's shiny so we'll give it a B
10:33:38 [markp] tantekc: where's my XL microformats t-shirt?
10:33:40 [fraying] can't wait to hear this
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10:33:40 [TantekC] markp, in my backpack
10:33:44 [TantekC] markp, where are you?
10:33:48 [markp] yay
10:33:48 [h8ianxpress] *SNAP*
10:33:49 [fraying] ++
10:33:49 [TantekC] i'm in the back
10:33:55 [AvantBard] dude, not all sites are ugly
10:33:56 [bigtank] TantekC++
10:33:58 [Yoz] giant slide "Enough with the pastel Arial, already!"
10:34:01 [seanbonner] I'm in the back too
10:34:04 [peterkaminski] hey TantekC, what's a good 8700c IRC client?
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10:34:14 [TantekC] Awesome. I'm glad he is ripping on people that copy Google UI.
10:34:15 [dotBen] CarcoCultivism
10:34:22 [holgate] pastel Helvetica, shurely?
10:34:24 [KevinMarks] if you don't like AIM, thats a choice
10:34:24 [h8ianxpress] copy the money
10:34:24 [bigtank] and at least carrier pigeons contribute something back to society
10:34:24 [fraying] yes yes yes
10:34:25 [tellytelly] not again
10:34:29 [TantekC] peter, i think you have to go download one.
10:34:29 [todbot] note: not Helvetica, but Arial
10:34:30 [cspurgeon] last.fm did a really nice job with the candy apple red, pinks, and grey. IMO.
10:34:35 [holgate] ah
10:34:36 [KevinMarks] blackberry is email tuned, sidekick is AIm tuned
10:34:48 [zzgavin] corp home pages == joy
10:34:49 [TantekC] KevinMarks, i don't use BB for email much.
10:34:50 [danhon] ... but no-one's copying the shitty google video ui though, are they?
10:34:51 [fraying] finally, a talk worth paying attwntion to
10:34:54 [TomCoates] joel makes me sad :(
10:34:57 [TantekC] BB is Web-tuned.
10:34:57 [lhl] AWESOME
10:34:57 [dotBen] he could have looked at http://search.yahoo.com
10:34:57 [jknauer] attacking sponsors ++
10:34:58 [paula] i think he just warmed up
10:34:58 [ChrisDodo] joel on software isn't exactly pretty
10:35:01 [TantekC] I'll take Web over AIM anyday
10:35:07 [todbot] tomcoates: it's cool to be a yahoo hater
10:35:08 [nicolesimon] i have not seen him before and i actually like his presentation a lot better than most of the rets
10:35:08 [markp] tantekc: i'm near the back, on the center aisle
10:35:09 [AvantBard] i was expecting more from joel
10:35:10 [seanbonner] the metblogs design is the one everyone will be copying next!
10:35:11 [peterkaminski] yeah, BB is a good web client
10:35:15 [TomCoates] yeah search.yahoo.com is nice
10:35:16 [smagdali] not when you work there
10:35:16 [markp] burgundy t-shirt
10:35:19 [justatheory] They're revolting?
10:35:26 [seanbonner] I'm revolted
10:35:29 [dotBen] faux!
10:35:30 [TomCoates] nice!
10:35:34 [ChrisDodo] more concrete brutalism
10:35:36 [todbot] search.yahoo.com rules
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10:35:38 [tellytelly] 2br, 1.5m
10:35:38 [h8ianxpress] dentrificated cornices?
10:35:40 [gluk] KevinMarks: I use a 8700c as well, mostly for email. But I agree, the web is nice. too.
10:35:44 [TantekC] markp, i think i see you, look to your left, two rows behind you
10:35:54 * TantekC waves
10:35:57 [KevinMarks] Sidekick web is pretty good too
10:36:01 [dotBen] like I said http://search.yahoo.com
10:36:07 [AvantBard] oh no, TantekC , dont go all "what's your favorite scarry movie?" on us
10:36:20 [TantekC] 8700c web support *blows away* any other cell based web client that i have seen
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10:36:34 [tellytelly] darn it - people like me
10:36:37 [TantekC] EDGE network rocks
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10:36:39 [dotBen] DRINK
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