After the jump is the back channel from the first few sessions this morning including those by Matt Webb which was amazing, Adobe Apollo, and Google's solar powered wackiness.

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[jibot] seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging
[TomCoates] BIBLE FUCKING WOVE
[TomCoates] (sorry)
[seanbonner] Good Morning San Diego!!!!!
[holgate] did someone slip the dadadodo code into Tom's coffee?
[TomCoates] NIBBLE FUCK GIVE OW
[TomCoates] that's a good one
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[cspurgeon] At this point it's more efficient to just post a perl script to generate all combinations.
[jscott] a sensor track for next year would be interesting, weird and wacky things people are doing with sensors and sensor fusion
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[therealjeb] yeah that would be cool
[therealjeb] and those nets of cheap sensors
[therealjeb] that do smart things
[cspurgeon] Rebooting the sun violates the user agreement.
[mikekuniavsky] A merger of Makefest and Etech.
[seanbonner] It voids the warrently
[jscott] like this:
[jscott] http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/thisweek/2006/feb/02_06_davinci.asp
[TomCoates] cspurgeon +++++
[todbot] yes, a make-e-tech-fest
[therealjeb] Man I love those old space station drawings.
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[jibot] raelity is Rael Dornfest & the author of Blosxom & blogs at http://www.raelity.org/ & the organizer of ETCon http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etcon/ & also blogs at http://radar.oreilly.com/ & gets spam about broadband penetration
[cspurgeon] Yes! on those space station drawings!
[raelity] morning etechians
[seanbonner] Morning Rael
[jscott] mornign
[raelity] oh, hey sean
[TomCoates] Are we lovin' the Webb?
[seanbonner] we love the webb
[mattb] must love webb
[seanbonner] webb++
[TomCoates] let's love him afterwards
[neb_] wwwwwwweeeebbbbbbbb
[TomCoates] whether he likes it or not
[seanbonner] TomCoates: yes, and all at the same time
[TomCoates] (hint: he'll like it)
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[raelity] webb is that rare combination of wind-up toy and brilliant xerox parc building guy we all love
[TomCoates] hey - hang on
[TomCoates] i've just realised
[TomCoates] i've no idea why we're talking about fanfic
[mattb] webb is a wind-up toy?
*TomCoates waves fist
[seanbonner] TomCoates: what did I tell you about realizing things?
[TomCoates] oh. shit. yeah.
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[seanbonner] I expected more from you. very disappointing to see things take this direction.
[jibot] cybaea is Allan Engelhardt [http://www.cybaea.net/]
[therealjeb] WHOAH THAT GIRL HAS POWERS
[TomCoates] i won't realise anything any more
[RemyDWD] From fan fic to japanese laundry. Hope no one is hung over.
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*tengi gives webb a '386 so he can really enjoy compiling the linux kernel
[RemyDWD] tengi: So he can run folding@home?
[TomCoates] GIBBON FUCK WEEVIL
[tengi] RemyDWD: no, so he can watch the compiler output go by for a *really long* time
[TomCoates] therealjeb uppercase is for anagrams only.
[TomCoates] tut tut
[holgate] Webb is a walking reality-distortion field. Or a reality-expanding field. He exhales mescaline.
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[jibot] KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & begoogled
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*tengi just gets the joke
[therealjeb] Holy shit
[therealjeb] How is that not the biggest fad ever?
[cspurgeon] I want one!
[therealjeb] Thats going to be the christmas hit of '07
[therealjeb] in the USA
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[cspurgeon] What were they called?
[RemyDWD] Yeah, I need one too
[therealjeb] idk but i thin ki heard "konami" in there somewhere
[RemyDWD] http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/008064.php
[RemyDWD] Otoizm
[TomCoates] Webb sort of reminds me of Timothy Leary
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[todbot] otoizm
[micahsifry] Erica--
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[micahsifry] oops, sending email at the same time as IRCing
[todbot] http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/otoizm-yo+yo-pet-and-music-player-in-one-150612.php
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[neb_] chemical brothers star guitar video background
[therealjeb] a what photocopier?
[mattb] perspex!
[therealjeb] perspex?
[holgate] TomCoates: Or Terence McKenna. Self-transforming machine elves.
[cspurgeon] neb_++
[mikekuniavsky] Directed by Michel Gondry.
[therealjeb] is that a real thing or one of those star trek words like transparent aluminum
[cspurgeon] Good catch.
[RemyDWD] starguitar++
[TomCoates] Yeah - definitely McKenna
[RemyDWD] Best music video I've ever seen
[mattb] i found out the other day that Oakley call one of their rubber derivative materials 'unobtainium'
[TomCoates] "Design is what we do until the eschaton hits in 2012"
[mattb] i was so pleased
[seanbonner] "transparent" and "aluminum" are both real words.
[stevegio] I am not excited by my washing machine.
[davidcrow] TomCoates++
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[RemyDWD] Otoizm home page: http://www.otoizm.konami.jp/
[andy2u_] mikekuni++avsky
[cybaea] cute kitten
[tengi] captain stripey pants++
[RemyDWD] captainstripeypants++
[RemyDWD] credibility--
[TomCoates] captain stripey pants ++++++!
[todbot] at least his cat's an officer
[therealjeb] robotlab++
[wkearney] me rolls eyes
[tengi] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylic_glass
[todbot] tha'ts rad
[tengi] hey, is that luxo jr?
[TomCoates] I used to work with Webb
[KevinMarks] It's Luxo Jr
[TomCoates] He was my R&D partner at the BBC
[neb_] Webb People
[TomCoates] Realistically, I think I've come out of the experience fairly well
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[stevegio] what is missing from the graphic is when the lamp de-capitates the person doing the drawing
[todbot] His Webb Browser
[seanbonner] Webb on the Web
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[neb_] IBM demoed it yesterday
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[jibot] mouthbeef is Cory Doctorow and blogs at http://boingboing.net and S*W*O*O*P and missrougue
[seanbonner] mouthbeef blogs at missrogue??!
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[schemish] ?karma
[jibot] Karma Dump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
[TomCoates] I've never seen Cory and Tara blogging at the same place at the same time...
[tengi] The requested URL /~jibot was not found on this server.
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[mikekuniavsky_] Luggage amulet.
[micahsifry] did someone actually buy her hair/
[cybaea] I want a business card like this: http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/28/wozs-business-card/
[therealjeb] I want a cool name like Crispin
[seanbonner] michasifrey: it was a fraud
*cybaea has business-card-envy
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[todbot] cybaea, find someone with a laser cutter/engraver and you can make your own
[todbot] just print to it, like a printer
[therealjeb] or use like frontpanelexpress.com
[todbot] therealjeb++
[segfaut1010] todbot: just go up to artcenter and start using the machine
[Brendon____] cybaea: Wos demo'd his card on The Daily show... can cut steak
[albertoescarlate] http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/metalbusinesscards.htm
[cybaea] albertoescarlate++
[TomCoates] Wasn't her hair full of drugs?
[mattb] stupid hair full of drugs
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[therealjeb] Terrence McKenna's drugs, actually
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[seanbonner] drug hair
[neb_] BTW, Terrence was telling us about Webb himself, actually: a self-transforming elf from the future. see?
[wkearney] if your time matters enough you have someone ELSE babysit the copier or washing machine. Otherwise if you have to DO this work then you're not going to pay for the infrastructure to enable this nonsense.
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[jibot] jgoldman is online and an all around swell cat. and the President of Radiant Core, Inc., designers of the Official Firefox 2 Theme. He blogs at www.radiantcore.com
[wkearney] not that it isn't a cool idea, just not terribly realistic
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[wkearney] experience hooks, queues and trends, however, are a very interesting area.
[seanbonner] wkearney is a dream killer
[wkearney] but geeks never go home
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[KevinMarks] you can't go home agin
[wkearney] sb++
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[egoodman] right, wkearney, but we're not really designing for geeks only, eh?
[KevinMarks] ?learn wkearney is a dream killer
[jibot] wkearney is a dream killer
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[RemyDWD] egoodman: We need a Venn diagram of the intersection between geeks and Generation C
[tengi] more puppets
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[wkearney] heh, hack it to make it as entertaining as yesterday's puppets...
[viss] so is there anything on the fourth day to go back for?
[RemyDWD] Needs more felt.
[viss] im trying to decide whether todrive in
*therealjeb is skeptical
[mattb] my pic on screen!
[todbot] tinker.it++
[mattb] i matter!
[RemyDWD] http://tinker.it/
[TomCoates] egoodman ++
[shadowstorm] @viss the last day of eTech is usually pretty light
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[therealjeb] Someone sitting in front of me is looking at a sweet drawing of like a futuristic pyramid dwelling
[viss] yeah, thats what I figured
[therealjeb] What is that thing?
[viss] but i was at barcamp LA last weekend, and I made a handful of friends
[viss] theyre all there
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[jameshome] we need a speech to text interface so I don't have to leave my hotel room
[jscott] send it to china so they can steal it
[mattb] arduino is so much fun to play with
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[davidcrow] http://instructables.com/
[neb_] thats me looking at the pyramid http://tinyurl.com/ywlz2q
[mikekuniavsky] tinker.it++
[egoodman] arduino is the absolute best -- I was 20 min from opening the package to hello world, and most of that 20 min was finding the USB in my cabinet
[RemyDWD] Pyramid convergence
[therealjeb] yeah this arduino crap looks radicatio
[tengi] threaljeb: is that the dwelling on the screen?
[tengi] woops! too late
[therealjeb] neb_ thanks this rules
[therealjeb] Ah, NASA's heavy lifting airships. Key.
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[jameshome] wow, why doesn't the Hyatt look like that?
[therealjeb] This is like a cool/practical version of that "Spime" talk
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[tengi] can you get a felt puppet with fuzzy logic?
[todbot] the theme for next year's ETech should be along the lines of this: bringing the fungibility of the web to the physical world
[therealjeb] I have a feeling it will be
[tengi] todbot++
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[mikekuniavsky] "The Internet of things"
[therealjeb] it seems like more than magic what everyone is really talking about is "The Diamond Age" type stuff
[mattb] check out xtech in paris
[mikekuniavsky] 2.0
[mattb] the theme is "the ubiquitous web"
[therealjeb] fab-labs, diy CNC machines,
[mattb] [/plug]
[therealjeb] Make, Arduino
[viss] chicken chicken.
[viss] bok boggoq
[tengi] the ubiquitous webb
[therealjeb] maybe someone will DIY a stereolithograpy rig
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[jameshome] tengi++
[seanbonner] I'm trying to decide which train to catch today to get back to LA
[jgoldman] sell sell sell!
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[jibot] jrnoded is jr at http://www.noded.com/noded
[viss] sean: same here.. except.. im in town ;b
[KevinMarks] cool, we can stare at our laptops and ignore him too
[kaylea] this looks like infomercial time
[davidcrow] KevinMarks++
[TomCoates] oh crap - yeah - me too
[viss] hm
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[segfaut1010] what os is that?
[jgoldman] is everyone really excited about Apollo? OH YEAH.
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[seanbonner] Really, let's all take the same damn one. We'll have AmtrakCamp
[Pseudo-Declan] there
[todbot] except the first result for "the ubiquitous web" is a W3C presentation that mentions JINI and SOAP. no thanks
[TomCoates] hm. apparently it's quite good, but I have to be honest I'm not overly excited
[Pseudo-Declan] i have a feeling more people will recognize me this way
[Pseudo-Declan] hahah
*davidcrow is not entirely live
[mattb] todbot: yikes
[KevinMarks] "it doesn't look at all like what you'd expect a desktop app to look like" is a good thing?
[jrnoded] heh
[jgoldman] KevinMarks++
[tengi] gotta love live demos
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[RemyDWD] Looks a little like sherlock to me
[jgoldman] tengi++
[therealjeb] I saw a demo of it a while ago that had some cool stuff about it.
[mattb] this is great, it looks like a web app
[mattb] in a web browser
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[mattb] innovative!
[jibot] justatheory is David Wheeler of Kineticode and Bricolage fame. http://www.justatheory.com/ and principal engineer for Values of n, aka raelity's biatch
[therealjeb] it is a webapp
[therealjeb] iits webkit
[shadowstorm] another paid-for captive audience product demo masquerading as a keynote
[justatheory] Reminds me of Pyro for Campfire
[reilly] every office needs a place to wii
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[jgoldman] justatheory++
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[davidcrow] @shadowstorm: just like last year
[therealjeb] but it has super-lightweight installer framework, and you can sign the apps to give them access to files and crap lik ethe java sandbox
[justatheory] Show me the offline stuff!
[RemyDWD] shadowstorm: And ironically, there was an Apollo session yesterday which was actually better than this one
[todbot] reminds me of a sponsored keynote
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[seanbonner] You'd think Adobe would know someone who could use photoshop and make it look a little, well, what I like to call "less crappy"
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[tengi] therealjeb: we need a webbkit
[therealjeb] they sell them at tinker.it
[davidcrow] I always want to do more computations and crunch numbers without a spreadsheet
[reilly] oh honey, you'll love my big screen wii
[mattb] ah, "the wife"
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[justatheory] seanbonner: Maybe he's an engineer?
[therealjeb] You could do that with normal flash. Why doesn't ebay actually do that?
[davidcrow] get the logo, is this a Seymour Papert talk?
[therealjeb] that would be a sweet feature.
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[jgoldman] @davidcrow: turtles all the way down.
[albertoescarlate] zzzz
[todbot] so you could sell things you only *saw* at a fleamarket!
[seanbonner] Well I can see that 3 shots this morning was not nearly enough.
[neb_] damn, who couldn't have webb gone second so we all could've slept in
[mikekuniavsky] That's so 2.0!
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[cspurgeon] I think there is beautiful, powerful stuff to be made with Apollo, but that wasn't it.
[andy2u_] i gotta admit the offline part is pretty cool
[KevinMarks] put the rifle down, sean
[RemyDWD] cspurgeon++
[justatheory] Swing?
[seanbonner] It's 2.0.0.0.0.0.03b
[sgowell] Hey look ... same thing here http://www.adobe.com/devnet/videos/apollo_demo07/index.html
[kaylea] so they have a flash player that doesn't require the browser
[andy2u_] thanks sgowell
[jameshome] any links from Webb that I need other than arduino?
[RemyDWD] kaylea: It's a little better than that.
[todbot] where's starbuck and boomer?
*davidcrow my hangover is now done sneaking up on me
[KevinMarks] they have a browser that doesn't require the browser
[mikekuniavsky] http://www.tinker.it/
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[neb_] http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/otoizm-yo+yo-pet-and-music-player-in-one-150612.php
[KevinMarks] stop eBay before they light pixels again
[wkearney] no, they have an editor and tools that let you do what's already possible (but too tedious) to do in firefox already.
[seanbonner] davidcrow: I apologize for any of that I might be responsible for.
[RemyDWD] jameshome: Not explicitly referenced, but http://www.otoizm.konami.jp/index.html
[therealjeb] http://robotlab.de/juke/bots.htm
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[cybaea] sgowell++
[jameshome] fantastic. thank you.
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[cybaea] re-cycled demos. There was a time when ETech was emerging...
[davidcrow] seanbonner: thanks, it's just taken an additional 4 hours for it to kick me repeatedly
[seanbonner] Yes, just what I want - a deeper relationship with eBay
[jameshome] I'll go shower now that Adobe is on
[RodBegbie] q
[neb_] wash the pitch off
[albertoescarlate] you can shower on your desktop
[RemyDWD] You know what this does remind me of, though?
[RemyDWD] Castanet
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[todbot] RemyDWD: lol
[TomCoates] I'm so tired I think my liver may fall out
[wkearney] remy++
[neb_] remy, the Marimba thing?
[RemyDWD] neb_: Yeah
[todbot] yes
[RemyDWD] THE WEB BROWSER IS DEAD.
[RemyDWD] PUSH IS IN
[neb_] egads, your right!
[therealjeb] "Available sensors and actuators:
[therealjeb] We're expanding our toolkit every month, subscribers get a shipment of new "experience elements" to use in their designs. "
[cspurgeon] There is a real issue with the big sponsors guaranteed a slot of presentation time.
[jrnoded] building scarcity into the WEB. The company controls what happens not the consumer
[therealjeb] How do you subscribe to this?
[andy2u_] for some people this will be easier than gtk + python
[sgowell] Apollo ... making lots of technologies equally buggy
[stevegio] this is no different than what you can do with JavaWebStart or BackWeb, yadda, yadda, yadda
[KevinMarks] can you keep nesting them inside each other?
[shadowstorm] @cspurgeon: agreed
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[KevinMarks] so now you get to debug a third JS client on Windows
[seanbonner] Amtrak back to LA - looks like best options are at 3 or 4
[justatheory] No wonder it reminds me of Pyro.
*cybaea laughs and gets his application in http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6507611.stm
[therealjeb] stevegio: I think its the same basic idea, but...you know, they fixed some of the crappy parts
[wkearney] yes, and by going along with this 'ease' you make it easier for the flash advertising minions to further invade your life. yeah, no thanks,.
[reilly] Will Apollo 1.0 kill all it's users in beta test?
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[RemyDWD] This will be good at my school, because we have a small group of web developers but no real app developers. If we can pull some apps off of the web, it will reduce some (not all) complexity - but I so don't need to hear this demo again.
[segfaut1010] just rocky
[therealjeb] plus the runtime is guaranteed to get broad distribution
[justatheory] It's the same damn thing!
[todbot] oh goodie, another archive format
[RodBegbie] Hey - Look at this great new Macromedia pitch from 2002: "Macromedia Central extends the reach of Flash rich Internet applications and content beyond the browser and into the desktop, making true cross-platform applications a reality." http://www.adobe.com/products/central/
[kaylea] so it's konfabulator or desktop widgets or desktop gadgets, but common among OSes
[stevegio] and probably introduced other crappy bits of their own
[RemyDWD] I mean, fuck, I played with the Apollo disc that was in the goodie bag right after I got to the hotel
[KevinMarks] "It isn't some crazy kind of '60s love-in," she added
[cspurgeon] RodBegbie, that is SO great!
[reilly] hmmm .... internet access seems a little burtsy
[justatheory] Ah, he is an engineer
[RemyDWD] "Crappiest tools" = "we're still going to charge for them"
[shadowstorm] eTech needs more crazy kinds of '60s love-ins
[therealjeb] kaylea: it has some other significant things that aren't in like Konfabulator, like a serialization system and filesys access
[albertoescarlate] castanet 2.0 http://tinyurl.com/2wnvsg
[seanbonner] I've seen this slide THREE TIMES this week
[jameshome] Get 12 interface elements for a penny! Buy only four more interface elements over the next two years!
[KevinMarks] how do they make the forms look that icky?
[RemyDWD] therealjeb: It's also supposed to have full access to the network stack, in theory
[RemyDWD] KevinMarks: Dreamweaver?
[therealjeb] Jeez I feel lik e a BzzAgent for adobe.
[davidcrow] it's wiki-esque but with a different structure?
[neb_] damn, their components are ugly
[seanbonner] KevinMarks: the [icky] tag
[shadowstorm] regurgitated
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[reilly] I can't believe they're name a product apollo
[jameshome] [icky] is deprecated. you should use css.
[sgowell] I would have thought it would have been the icky="true" element
[seanbonner] reilly: Next version is called "Starbuck"
[sborsch] How come he doesn't see excited and passionate?
[RemyDWD] reilly: It's the code name, not the final name
[sborsch] "seem"
[davidcrow] all we need to do is grab an XML file and ....
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[sgowell] So all we need to do write the app to make it work ... I'll be damned
[therealjeb] every time you grab an XML file David HH dies a little.
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[cybaea] Who thinks these seats are uncomfortable?
[seanbonner] What you really want to do is get the [icky] tag working with HAML
[KevinMarks] what was that Eby quote?
[reilly] still, Apollo 1 killed all the astronauts on it during test
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[tengi] seanbonner: and the over-arching framework is "Adama"
*cybaea 's bum hurts
[therealjeb] tengi: is that true?
[shadowstorm] http://www.kilian-nakamura.com/blog-english/index.php/deep-fry-diving-for-goldfish-in-japan/
[therealjeb] don't they already have a product called "Adam"?
[tengi] ;-)
[factoryjoe] favor: can someone grab photos if Ed demos Scrapblog?
[jscott] how does apollo make money?
[Brendon______] cybaea++
[Brendon______] cybaea++
[RemyDWD] jscott: Developer tools
[KevinMarks] 'XML is not the answer. It is not even the question. To paraphrase Jamie Zawinski on regular expressions, "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use XML." Now they have two problems."'
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[RodBegbie] jscott: Flash Developer licenses
[RemyDWD] It's not like Flex Builder is free, even though it's just a fucking extension on top of Eclipse
[todbot] "install experience" hahahaha
[todbot] oh you windows kids
[jscott] nice
[KevinMarks] 'This is a different situation than in Java, because compared to Java code, XML is agile and flexible. Compared to Python code, XML is a boat anchor, a ball and chain. In Python, XML is something you use for interoperability, not your core functionality, because you simply don't need it for that.'
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[therealjeb] @jscott apparently they are working on some more serious dev tools to sell
[kaylea] flex builder is pretty spiffy, but we only pay edu prices, $99
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[mattb] i want to play with mtasc
[seanbonner] a laptop with no wireless??!!
[kaylea] I think they also want to drive their flash server sales, they charge a lot for their server products
[mattb] free actionscript2 -] swf compiler
[jscott] thanks
[therealjeb] oh yeah
[wkearney] c'mon well-timed BSOD...
[shadowstorm] it's called a craptop
[mattb] first time i found something that will let me play with flash without buying a thing
[micahsifry] as a noncoder this presentation is about as exciting as watching paint dry
[RemyDWD] At least they're using webkit as their core here
[seanbonner] Oh, it's called a PC
[andy2u_] ok... i like this
[KevinMarks] mattb: there's ming
[cybaea] shadowstorm: you sould write a HOWTO for Make magazine. Deep fried goldfish
[andy2u_] i'm less excited by the *adobe* angle, and more just by that this is the way things more movin'
[davidcrow] micahsifry: being able to code doesn't make it any better
[KevinMarks] http://ming.sourceforge.net/
[tengi] michasifry: same for programmers.....
[micahsifry] i was afraid of that
[KevinMarks] but it is a bit in need of checking
[neb_] the cloud!
[mattb] KevinMarks: ming didn't feel like a way of programming flash to me
[justatheory] Gotta admit, that could be really nice to have.
[Brendon______] What is offline?
[mattb] more like a way to assemble a visual object targeted to swf
[mattb] like using libmagick
[sgowell] And that 5% will cost you 600$
[mattb] mtasc is more like gcc
[shadowstorm] It's an interesting point, Brendon...should we push towards being able to be connected no matter where you are?
[cybaea] Brendon______: offline is like being dead. What's with the '_' btw?
[shadowstorm] Is the concept of "offline" really valid in the future?
[jrnoded] need something that doesn't have to ask me all those questions
[RemyDWD] "Traditionally, it's a pain in the ass to write flash applications" - what an endorsement for flash.
[seanbonner] He should demo flash with badgerbadgerbadger.com
[KevinMarks] don't you still need a swf generated
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[Viss] hahaha
[cybaea] badger++
[justatheory] Brendon_____++
[cybaea] mushroom++
[Viss] seanbonner: weebls-stuff.com has things much more funny/annoying than that now
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[sexygirl153] hehehe - "js libraries make it easier to write js libraries"
[Viss] observe!
[stevegio] what I really want is this functionality in the javascript engine running in my browser so I can persist stuff directly in the web app I've already got, wouldn't that be simpler?
[Viss] i shall fetch
[therealjeb] I seriously do not understand how you buy the Tinker.it prototyping toolkit
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[sgowell] magicalTrevor++
[Brendon______] cybaea: ChatZilla has lost it's mind this morning. I get reconnected every few minutes.
[tengi] badger++
[Viss] \m/ magical trevor!
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[sexygirl153] therealjeb: yes! how can i buy it!?
[RemyDWD] stevegio: That's coming in Firefox 3, sort of
[Viss] CHUTNEY!
[RodBegbie] Viss: Everyone loves Magical Trevor.
[cybaea] mind? what's a mind? I'm too tired to think....
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[cybaea] magical_trevor++
[therealjeb] what is with the shared obsessionb with XML declarative UI languages?
[tengi] speaking of badger.... http://thefifthdistrict.com/potter/
[davidcrow] steal that code
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[seanbonner] http://www.threebrain.com/weeeeee.shtml
[davidcrow] nice
[therealjeb] its like something in the water.
[Viss] oh god
[Viss] i remember that.
[sborsch] Why would we be seeing a product demo in a quasi-keynote?
[sexygirl153] what's the alternative?
[Viss] sean: thats from.. nearly ten years ago
[KevinMarks] not weeee
[cybaea] tengi++
[KevinMarks] aaah
[mattb] unsubtle_sponsors--
[kaylea] sborsch++
[therealjeb] Adobe is an Unobtanium Sponsor of Etech
[jrnoded] he only has 8 minutes left
[sexygirl153] therealjeb+++
[cybaea] sponsors--
[tengi] threaljeb++
[cybaea] mattb++
[Viss] http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/headcrabs/
[Brendon______] Always online is still too expensive. No unifide "plan" to combine various ways of being online.
*Viss takes a bow
[stevegio] @thereljeb dunno I'd rather write DSLs to handle the xml sit-ups.
[KevinMarks] "within the drawer we have a tree" - don't you love object metaphors
[cybaea] crabs++
[todbot] it'll probably be sold here, but right now only the Arduino BT is there: http://pcb-europe.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=29
[Viss] oh man, i need to post my headcrab pics.
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[RemyDWD] infomercials--
[andy2u_] sometimes "emerging technologies" are commercial. the tone could be better, but i think actual ideas here are worthy of etech
[therealjeb] steve lol
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[cspurgeon] sborsch, make sure to fill out the evaluation form. Express your dissatisfaction.
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[RemyDWD] andy2u_: Agreed, but you need to generalize them
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[davidcrow] again steal that code
[seanbonner] OK, fine, then how about dusting the cobwebs off this: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/266
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[TomCoates_] I find myself suddenlyt quite bored and I can't figure out why
[therealjeb] I think they are too, and I also think listening to the occasonial sponsor spiel is a small price to pay to avoid Etech being 10k
[RemyDWD] At least when the Zimbra guys did their offline web apps thing yesterday, they talked about all the options available, not just what they did
[RodBegbie] Buy your Crabs here: http://www.weebls-shop.co.uk/toys.asp?siteid=100&prodcatid=201
[djwonk] what about protecting your application source code -- can apollo do that?
[TomCoates_] I sort of think there's value in this stuff, I guess
[Viss] oh no
[stevegio] anyone know the url for the apollo app to fill out the eval form while i'm on the plane?
[RemyDWD] The wesabe guys were not so great at the presenting, but their lessons were generalized
[TomCoates_] but still. Sort of a bit ...
[cybaea] andy2u_: agree on the relevance, thay are just all so bring :-( It is the presentation as much as the content
[Viss] hemmoraging internally
[jrnoded] no no no
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*Viss drips
[sborsch] andy2u: I'm a HUGE fan of Apollo and the concept. I'd like to hear about macro level trends and ecosystem stuff
[neb_] development environments in keynotes make the baby jesus cry
[TomCoates_] I like the concept too
[wkearney] embrace and extend....
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[sexygirl153] neb_++
[KevinMarks] strong typing--
[therealjeb] Yeah it would actually be cool if there was an Apollo keynote that was like
[mattb] grey screen!
[TomCoates_] neb_ ++ indeed
[Viss] theres a lot of plussing and minusing going on around here
[sgowell] neb_++ hah
[andy2u_] writing this from ubuntu, thinking some of this will be in Firefox 3.0, hopeful that Apollo will clear out the brush for some open source apps
[Viss] heh
[RemyDWD] We need an offline desktop backchannel
[therealjeb] "Hey we worked on this for a long time. If you try to build something like this, you get stuck here, here, and here. This is what we did."
[Brendon] Back to just me :)
[sborsch] stevegio++
[todbot] new etech rule: no code on the projector before lunch
[RodBegbie] RemyDWD: Yeah, so when the Wifi goes down, everyone can keep snarking.
[andy2u_] lollin @todbot
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[Viss] mmm snarks.
[RemyDWD] todbot: Ah, but lunch is ON YOUR OWN today! They win!
[Viss] skarks explode!
[Viss] i love snarks
[wkearney] I'll take code over slides about weaving anytime...
[Brendon] new etech rule: minimum font size for code
[seanbonner] Snarks with frickin laser beams
[RemyDWD] wkearney++
[andy2u_] therealjeb- agreed
[therealjeb] Awww man, I thought that weaving shit was pretty BA
[blech] Brendon++
[Viss] aha
[cybaea] does anybody still do XUL apps these days?
[Viss] that makes me kinda miss my gaming machine
[sexygirl153] cybaea: yes
[wkearney] heh, the joke used to be bad food and cool presentations. sadly, that's flipped 'round this year...
[shadowstorm] Give it a rip?? Oh...whew...he meant the code...I had mexican food flashbacks
[blech] cybaea: do the Songbird guys count?
[davidcrow] was it the yellow text on white background?
[cspurgeon] That *is* pretty cool.
[tengi] shadowstorm++
[therealjeb] When I saw this demo in January, there was a guy from the XULRunner project there
[cybaea] blech: These guys?? http://www.songbirdnest.com/
[blech] cybaea: yeah
[therealjeb] and he was all, "why did you guyus not work with us on this?" essentially in every one of his numerous questions.
[stevegio] this should be a rule in the etech drinking game, drink when someone shows a slide of their app integrated with google maps.
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[davidcrow] transparency, oooo, next they'll do reflections
[therealjeb] stevegio++
[seanbonner] Can I please see more raw code that I don't care about?
[cspurgeon] davidcrow++
[cybaea] haha - not skins but feathers :-D
[sborsch] Songbird is an iTunes knock-off. Tough to be partners with Apple when you publically promote such a competitor
[shadowstorm] I'd be more interested in seeing the communication trace from front to back in Apollo
[Viss] http://youtube.com/watch?v=LsawDyL1L2U
[RemyDWD] We just need a drinking game, period.
[wkearney] stevegio++
[Viss] squish!
[KevinMarks] we need more drinks
[Viss] drinks!
[Brendon] IE7 does .png!
[sexygirl153] how can we possibly see what's going on? :(
[TomCoates_] right that's it
[blech] sborsch: eh, I don't like it but it's more interesting than just a knockoff
[stevegio] and drinks starting at 8:30am.
*davidcrow does not need more drinks
[cspurgeon] oh god
[cybaea] blech: Counts
[Viss] kevin: I dont even think theyre serving lunch today
[TomCoates_] I'm going to chew my neighbour's arm off
[Viss] the schedule says 'Lunch on your own'
[mattb] there's a gag coming
[davidcrow] TomCoates++
[sgowell] Funny the presenter mentions "gag"
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[andy2u_] there was no "party" this year, last year there was Yahoo! and Second Life... not a big deal. just a note.
[TomCoates_] and then I'm going to use it to beat my other neighbour to death
[seanbonner] I'm thinking lunch, then train
[stevegio] look for the matte lines!
[neb_] oh no
[shadowstorm] what the fuck is this?
[RemyDWD] I've already seen this "gag" in another app
[cybaea] Viss: Lunch is your own responsibility today
[Brendon] TomCoates++
[Viss] yeah, thats what I figured
[kaylea] it seems like the promise of tech like this is plugging web functionality into standard desktop apps when network is available, not the other way around
[seanbonner] nothing better than a shaking browser
[RemyDWD] Spark (the jabber client) has a "BUZZ" button that vibrates your recipients IM window
[stevegio] drinks
[Viss] that probably means they certainly wont be serving drinks either
[sgowell] Well ... I certainly gagged on that one
[shadowstorm] uhuh, yeah...it's called the DOM
[factoryjoe] what are they demoing?
[wkearney] I mean, the choices are so varied, buzzword overload drinking, completely irrelevant fringe topic drinking...
[blech] kaylea: isn't that a solved problem, with IE/webkit embedding?
[davidcrow] seanbonner: I'm thinking I hope this hangover kills me so I don't have to cognitively be here anymore
[factoryjoe] (sorry, i'm remotely participating!)
[blech] "solved"
[Brendon] ?checkout now
[therealjeb] is this "what he can build in a couple of minutes"
[KevinMarks] we can't lunch with each other?
[RemyDWD] kaylea: There's no IE embedding
[TomCoates_] no, we must lunch alone
[therealjeb] wiat
[RemyDWD] It's webkit on all platforms
[sborsch] Rearranging tiles. Indistinguishable from magic.
[therealjeb] i didn't mean to type that.
[RemyDWD] er, sorry, that was at blech
[davidcrow] sborsch++
[seanbonner] scrapblog
[Viss] kevin: certainly, the only tricky part is that its no longer free
[Viss] heh
[neb_] nice UI?!
[therealjeb] i saw a demo of this that involved someones ecmascript 3d library
[davidcrow] is someone photographing this for "The Messina"
[todbot] wysiwyg
[RemyDWD] Ooh, this is like a CD-ROM game from 96
[KevinMarks] TANSTAAFL
[todbot] multimedia
[seanbonner] I'm cameraless atm
[blech] http://www.hypermultimedia.com/x3d/Quick/SAIDEFS.htm
[therealjeb] i have seen more demos of apollo in the last six months than i have seen any members of my family.
[sexygirl153] bleeeding.... eyes....
[todbot] synergy
[sgowell] Wow ... its like kidpix
[KevinMarks] "publish to the cloud"
[andy2u_] does anybody know what "closing get-together"is?
[tengi] KevinMarks++
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[seanbonner] feedreader?
[TomCoates_] therealjeb ++
[TomCoates_] that's so fucking true!
[Viss] kevinmarks: youre not on twitter are you?
[davidcrow] maybe he'll show us a Tag Cloud written in Apollo?
[sexygirl153] therealjeb++
[Viss] ooooh
[Viss] nifty
[Viss] ive been kicking around how to create a tag cloud in my head
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[KevinMarks] I am indeed on twitter. see if you cna guess what nickname
[jibot] gregbiggers is a hackable wifi clockradio who is in the anonymized dataspace and indistinguishable from magic and was, for a short evening, davidcrow with extra badass
[seanbonner] hey look! Red boxes! That must be the internet
[Viss] im planning on writing a gallery
[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[RemyDWD] Wait, is he going to bill us for his "wit" and "grace"
[Viss] kevinmarks: ah, gotcha
[gregbiggers] so that mix thing was basically greasemonkey except you have to pay for it?
[albertoescarlate] so it's free
[Brendon] We need a twitter demo
[seanbonner] RemyDWD: I'm going to bill adobe for this time
[sexygirl153] that's the gag - we've already paid!~
[gregbiggers] brendon++
[davidcrow] wow, maybe this could make this a gadget and MSFT would promote
[blech] I noticed an apollo twitter icon
[cybaea] I thought the internet was blue?
[RemyDWD] Brendon: What, 30 minutes of a browser trying to load a service that doesn't respond?
[cspurgeon] Yeah, you just *wait* for me to pay that bill, monkey boy.
[TomCoates_] don't get too excited
[TomCoates_] but I think it's ending
[KevinMarks] right, 'cos what twitter really needs this week is 200 geeks logging into it at once
[sexygirl153] woo!
[seanbonner] TomCoates: ZOMG!!11!! W00t!!
[cybaea] Solar panels next
[gregbiggers] hopefully this next thing will rock
[Brendon] RemyDWD: Try Locust -] twitter from 5 years ago.
[TomCoates_] yeah!
[blech] wait what? break?
[RemyDWD] I sent two SMS messages to Twitter this morning, 30 minutes apart, and they got parsed in reverse order. Amazing.
[kaylea] at least that's unlikely to be an ad for google
[gregbiggers] what is up w/ rael?
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[sgowell] Wow .. Rael didn't even want to keep sitting after that
[davidcrow] this is conference lite
[cybaea] rael is drunk...?
[todbot] even rael was erased by that last talk
[RemyDWD] gregbiggers: He's getting distracted by the backchannel
[jscott] hell be here all day
[tengi] Rael's in a loop
[Viss] kevinmarks: man, I think with barcampLA and ETech following back to back, the guys that maintain twitter arent sleeping.. at all
[seanbonner] hmmmmmm
[therealjeb] what the hell?
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[RemyDWD] raelity++
[davidcrow] oooh, more content, that's good
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[TomCoates_] I love rael
[wgk] nice save rael!
[gregbiggers] backchannel++
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[heavysixer] neb_: sir
[todbot] raelity++
[RemyDWD] I could sure go for an infomercial about this "Google" I've heard so much about
[therealjeb] "TBD
[cspurgeon] Tom, absoloutely.
[therealjeb] Anthony Ravitz, Project Coordinator, Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google, Inc."
[therealjeb] hmmmmm
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[gregbiggers] raelity++
[tengi] speaker++
[sgowell] google++
[TomCoates_] I like this guy already
[RemyDWD] ravitz++
[cybaea] raelity: don't drink and present :-)
[seanbonner] he's hecking from on stage
[sborsch] i like how they "call audibles" and do thins dynamically....that's what makes O'Reilly events great
[micahsifry] jeez, is he older than 16?
[gregbiggers] say that 3 times fast
[Brendon] I wish I could drink and listen
[seanbonner] micahsifry: he will be next month
[micahsifry] lol
[gregbiggers] seanbonner++
[TomCoates_] Quick question completely unrelated to the current situation - is it inappropriate to describe a speaker as 'foxy' in the backchannel?
[seanbonner] That dog in the slide has a PhD
[segfaut1010] seanbonner++
[therealjeb] Google is so next level people don't even code they just chill on the beach vball court all day and play with a dog
[davidcrow] "we squeese lots of engineers"
*wkearney99 flashbacks to apple circa early 90's....
[tengi] when he's done here, he has to go throw a ring into Mt. Doom
[therealjeb] and then its like BOOM GMAIL FOR SPACESHIPS
[cybaea] haha - search for 'googleplex' on google maps
[RemyDWD] seanbonner: And passed a rigorous interview process
[TomCoates_] hehehe
[therealjeb] BETA
[micahsifry] they do his laundry for him?
[TomCoates_] tengi ++++++++
[KevinMarks] ah, this is a we're hiring pitch
[Brendon] Why did anybody doubt the Google business model?
[davidcrow] KevinMarks++
[gregbiggers] in other words, most of it is grown on former superfund sites
[schemish] HR pitch
[doc_ca] can anyone discuss google without going on about the food?
[wkearney99] cripes, job pitching? what's this, a disney presentation?
[micahsifry] wasn't he doogie howser?
[seanbonner] RemyDWD: and has a lvl 70 Undead Warlock
[cybaea] KevinMarks++ nailed it
[sgowell] ahh hippies
[RemyDWD] Google discussing food before self-generated lunch is cruel.
[gregbiggers] configure gadgets!
[todbot] we get to read his mail
[TomCoates_] anyone want to ask them what they do all day/
[seanbonner] KevinMarks has an inside track
[crowder] Self-generated lunch?
[segfaut1010] more solar panels, less bio diesel
[schemish] KevinMarks++
[KevinMarks] we do?
*davidcrow is self powered
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[Brendon] I'll be on my self generated way home
[sborsch] Shoulda seen Atari in Cupertino in 1981; Vignette in 1999 in Austin; just as cool....now?
*seanbonner is powered by davidcrow
[KevinMarks] I've been cycling 100 mins a day for 7 weeks, how do I donate that to ORG?
[therealjeb] "In Summary, we are hippies and we smell like patchouli"
[sexygirl153] google has too much money
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[crowder] hey, sexygirl153
[davidcrow] seanbonner: technically i'm bourbon powered
[therealjeb] "Here's one of our hippies now"
[tengi] therealjeb++
[wkearney99] which you then pay income tax on... and get bumped up a bracket...
[seanbonner] sexygirl153: they should give some of it to me
[cybaea] What's the best way to get from here to LAX? Plane, car, train, segway, walk...?
[crowder] sexygirl153: You wearing your firefox t-shirt today? :)
[gregbiggers] is there free wifi on lake wash?
[sexygirl153] that would work
[sexygirl153] crowder: not today :)
[tengi] was the coffee delivered by google transport?
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[Brendon] cybaea: I'll be driving up after this...
[KevinMarks] you can warcanoe bill gates wifi
*crowder feels betrayed
[cspurgeon] Here's how i commute to Google... http://www.personalblimp.com/
[RemyDWD] Argh, tiny thin fonts
[davidcrow] it was google coffee
[albertoescarlate] cybeae: boat - just like the google guy
[cybaea] boat++
[sexygirl153] coffee was helicoptered in by organic helicopters piloted by geese
[sborsch] beaching their kayaks...they walked 9 miles to the office and got there right after lunch
[schemish] Google has an underground converting pigshit into methane?
[blech] segfaut1010++ # more solar, less burning
[gregbiggers] national boat to work day
[TomCoates_] what's this guy's name again?
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[jibot] Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & is now back & living in Edinburgh & lucky enough to be married to Vikki & blogs at http://www.ewanspence.com/ & still Scottish
[sgowell] master blaster runs google-town
[TomCoates_] I need to find pictures of him online for a ... friend
[RemyDWD] Anthony Ravitz
*Ewan_ waves to the room
[Ewan_] Morning all
[stevegio] interesting to think of the secondary economic activity generated by google outside of the actual business
[cybaea] Brendon: I am not actually going until Monday -- didn't travel all this way to miss out on some sun and Fry's!!
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[gregbiggers] TomCoates++
[crowder] Morning, Ewan
[KevinMarks] you have a camera tom
[davidcrow] morning Ewan
[Ewan_] Hey crowder
[Ewan_] davidcrow
[mattb] for your little friend?
[gregbiggers] Ewan! Live death to the fullest!
[tengi] Mornin' Ewan
[Ewan_] 'plea' to the room - has anyone got a rip of the season closer to Battlestar Galactica with them?
[TomCoates_] mattb: yes, for Cal
[Ewan_] gregbiggers++
[blech] mattb++
[egoodman] he can't even keep a straight face
[cspurgeon] Ooh, that is bad ass.
[seanbonner] Ewan should charge the stage and get the audience clapping
[davidcrow] Ewan_: did you manage to ruin another werewolf game?
[cspurgeon] So it that!
[Ewan_] davidcrow, no I sat nicely at the side
[Brendon] seanbonner++
[sexygirl153] where is this talk going?
[cybaea] missing skin
[mattb] ok, this suddenly went a bit weird
[micahsifry] we also have a scale model of a camp in Darfur in the lobby
[gregbiggers] just to remind everyone of imminent extinction
[tengi] does that t-rex drink from the water fountain
[therealjeb] "We are not just hippies, we are also nerds"
[tengi] ?
[kaylea] I wish more of these talks started with a brief "here's why this is relevant to you" intro
[gregbiggers] micahsifry++
[mattb] oh, now the really surreal bit
[davidcrow] money
[Ewan_] (stand by for the science!)
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[tengi] seanbonner++
[mattb] google has some of the worst design and graphics ever
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[mattb] even in their slides
[mattb] it's kinda charming
[sexygirl153] 'kinda'
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[mattb] like hand-coloured signs in a local library
[KevinMarks] the plan is to get matt webb to install servomotors on the T-Rex and chase people round the cmapus
[seanbonner] "We're moving to solar so we can keep more of our mountains of cash"
[therealjeb] @mattb- i think they do it on purpose for just that reason
[TomCoates_] like things made with crayons
[mattb] by a really nice, enthusiastic librarian
[TomCoates_] i like them
[neb_] awwww.. wittle google made a graphic
[Brendon] I wish the talks had a "relevant to you" piece... anywhere
[jgoldman] mattb+
[jgoldman] +
[stormville] kevin :)
[TomCoates_] neb_ ] rofl [
[therealjeb] even their name is basically baby-talk
[schemish] mattb++
[jgoldman] i wish the talks were relevant to me generally speaking.
[seanbonner] "bang for your buck"
[tengi] KevinMarks: just teach it to play "fetch"
[schemish] 'pig demand' ?!
[sborsch] mattb: if Google designed magazines, it'd be Courier on white paper with .25" margins
[blech] therealjeb++
[gregbiggers] peeker plants are dirty. heh.
[RemyDWD] seanbonner: The $1 bill baths are heated by solar
[kaylea] the relevance is the surprise at the end, so you have to cache all the ideas and wait for context
[Ewan_] Is it just me, or is Nintendogs a little bit more user accessible?
[sexygirl153] DIRTY DIRTY!
[KevinMarks] I'll forward your design comments to jeff veen
*cybaea linkes pigs...
[Brendon] Should ask him about the environmental impact of making solar cells?
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[kaylea] maybe his point is, we think this is the way the industry is going and you might want to think about ways that your company can do this or profit from this trend
[sexygirl153] google starts by asking for money?
[kaylea] or maybe his point is, we're so cool, come work for us
*blech is reminded of the difference between .ca.us and .uk again. Peak power demand in summer afternoons. what craziness
[cybaea] google likes money
[segfaut1010] bill gross invented google
[wkearney99] yes, all that folksy goodness to hide the fact they're souless minions of advertising... but hey sincerity is everything, learn to fake that and you've got it made!
[sgowell] spending time on the roof ... making forts and having tea parties
[gregbiggers] hi, we're, um, like the most profitable company on your grid.... um, can we, uh, have our money, ummm... back?
[blech] making farts?
[Brendon] blech: we like to be cooool
[neb_] google can turn sunshine into money
[seanbonner] I thought he said "nodules"
[reilly] yeah, dissing this presenter would be kind of like torturing a cute little puppy
[blech] Brendon: we get cooool for free!
[therealjeb] If there was an O'Reilly "Hanging out on roofs making forts and having tea parties" I would totally go
[neb_] econosynthesis
[tengi] reilly++
[gregbiggers] RoofCamp
[jscott] so we built more things to add roofs to
[seanbonner] "So we put solar panels on top of our solar panels"
[wkearney99] but hey, if you've going to add more impervious surfaces with those 20+ buildings it doesn't hurt to at least put panels up there
[stormville] when he said peak demand I thought he said "pizza man"
[sexygirl153] flickr roof-club: http://flickr.com/photos/tags/roofclub
[cybaea] therealjeb: yeah. And a "building snow forts and having snowball fights" in the winter
[Viss] http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/chutney
[micahsifry] very creative building names
[gregbiggers] and here is our third favorite product, Google Mountaview (tm)
[Viss] wooo chutney!
[TomCoates_] reilly ++
[therealjeb] Yeah that would rule
[RemyDWD] Sketchup has a solar panel model? Why didn't it tell me in the tutorial?
[Brendon] blech: We are scared of nature. Live in sealed boxes.
[RemyDWD] sketchup++
[therealjeb] ketchup--
[blech] ooh, skybridges
[kaylea] sketchup is cool, but it was already cool before they bought it
[todbot] sketchup or scatsup?
[gregbiggers] all those cars with photovoltaic roofs
[kaylea] all they did was googlify the price
[jscott] maybe just paint over the wondows, same effect
[tengi] todbot++
[RemyDWD] kaylea: Free for education = okay by me
[therealjeb] lol
[seanbonner] "thinfilm" = double sidded tape
[kaylea] hey, I'm not unhappy with the price :)
[RemyDWD] :)
[kaylea] it's just odd that it's his second favorite google product when they didn't produce it
[gregbiggers] Scotty! We need more Sun!
[Brendon] I face my panels away from the sun so as not to use them up
[sborsch] I hope he gets to the investment and the ROI time length
*mattb is reminded of http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon/432572707/
[blech] kaylea: they're all Google's toys now
[mattb] this guy is simon willison with money
[cybaea] shade--
[TomCoates_] mattb ++
[Brendon] sborsch: you are kidding?
[stevegio] sure this is cool but didn't webb say the sun was going to explode? How much power can they generate in the dark?
[RemyDWD] sborsch: He said 7.5 years for the payback
[neb_] mattb++
[blech] mattb: EPRIVATE
[sborsch] Brendon: Ahhh....no
[seanbonner] Solar On RAILS
[TomCoates_] good point!
[davidcrow] everything is on Rails
[mattb] blech: ahbugger
[kaylea] Google: all the tools are belong to us
[sexygirl153] solar on rails!
[mattb] blech: probably for the best
[TomCoates_] if the sun's gonna blow, Google's screwed!
[stormville] :)
[RemyDWD] stevegio: After rebooting, the sun won't have a memory leak, so we'll get increased production
[reilly] if we don't behave, google is going to secede from the union and form their own country
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[TomCoates_] I accidentally typed 'if the sun's gonna blog'
[TomCoates_] the first time around
[therealjeb] Self Whatting System?
[sborsch] I was in a talk where they laid out the ROI on compact flourescent replacements for incandescents
[jscott] rael is everywhere and strong
[therealjeb] Ballasting?
[therealjeb] Balancing?
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[gregbiggers] self ballasting.
[cybaea] (I have to log in to Flickr now just to watch photos??)
[blech] TomCoates_: they'll send Ciaran Murphy out, it'll be fine
[sborsch] was 18 months
[seanbonner] I'd read the sunblog
[reilly] there was a slide that said the break even was at 7.5 years
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[stormville] sun probably has a twitter account
[gregbiggers] in other words, its potty trained
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[TomCoates_] yeah - sun's more of a twitterer
[blech] cybaea: don't bother, you need to be simon's friend
[seanbonner] maybe I should set up sun.metblogs.com
[cybaea] Ah
[sborsch] reilly: oops...was paying partial attention
[reilly] but i don't know if that included time value of money, etc
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[Brendon] California is "thinking of" banning incandescents
[TomCoates_] 'today was sooo dull. radiated a bit. had a cookie. drank some tea'
[TomCoates_] 'some guy dropped a bomb into me, in defiance of physics'
[cybaea] ;-P
[gregbiggers] TomCoates++
[KevinMarks] do those solar carports charge electric cars?
[stormville] :)
[todbot] wha? mountainview cares about urban planning?
[RodBegbie] Current mood: warm.
[jscott] trading blackmarket 'its' its' )
[gregbiggers] a bio swill?
[TomCoates_] rodbegbie ++
[therealjeb] mountainview is so strange. i went there last week.
[blech] "I have this huge spot facing the earth, what a downer"
[sexygirl153] RodBegbie+++
[therealjeb] They have one of the world's largest blimp hangars.
[RemyDWD] gregbiggers: I hope that's what he said. "Biosoil" is what I heard, and that makes less sense
[stevegio] RemyDWD, I think linux based suns *rarely* need to be rebooted. our sun must run windows
[Brendon] With 7.5 year payback, they must be getting a massive tax break on the panels!
[therealjeb] it looks like the jawas' sand crawler.
[KevinMarks] google should buy the blimp hangars next
[TomCoates_] that's the problem with legacy suns
[mattb] "blimp hangar" sounds really dirty to me
[mattb] it's probably jsut me
[sgowell] Ruby on uniwrapped sun frame?
[blech] mattb: no, you've broken me now too
[cybaea] rails? I thought Google used Python?
[gregbiggers] unirack sunframe-- its like one of those sun microsystems sea containers, except taken apart
[therealjeb] its like a jellyfist
[therealjeb] h
[gregbiggers] (if you can't open it, you don't own it)
[therealjeb] google sounds like it has something of a caste system.
[RemyDWD] Actually, why doesn't Project Blackbox use solar?
[Brendon] Python is so last year
[sexygirl153] RemyDWD: so it's stackable i assume
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[blech] RemyDWD: that area of solar generate anywhere near enough power
[stormville] they were banging over people's heads
[neb_] "and now, when we focus the panels, we can set Yahoo jets flying back and forth from Pasadena on fire"
[tengi] RemyDWD - it's tough when you stack them (you *can* stack them, can't you?)
[seanbonner] "Since the begining of time mankind has dreamed of blocking out the sun" - Smithers
[blech] +wouldn't
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[todbot] heheh neb
[Brendon] RemyDWD: Watts per square foot/meter wouldn't alow it
[cspurgeon] seanbonner++
[wkearney99] ++neb
[kellan] um, its a technical audience, i don't know that you need to define "inverter"
[stevegio] seanbonner, then we can fight in the shade
[KevinMarks] you can stack them if you have a really big water supply
[sexygirl153] yay! more money for google!
[kaylea] article for the next make -- how to solar YOUR googleplex?
[seanbonner] Wait! Positive AND Negative???!!!
[jscott] google only uses positive power
[KevinMarks] heh
[sgowell] This feels like a "What I did on my summer vacation" presentation
[sexygirl153] jscott++
[gregbiggers] ...yeah. so we had this other idea... after you give us back our money, ummm.... can we sell you back some power, too?
[tengi] jscott++
[gregbiggers] sgowell++
[stevegio] my first car used a 6 volt battery with positive ground.
[schemish] booooring