Dean's Question for Conservatives

Dean asks:

Now here is the question--and honestly it's an important one. Many of you have (like me) criticized people on the left for sowing disunity, always assuming the worst, making unfair allegations, and for clawing desperately at straws trying to find scandals. You find this repugnant at a time when the country should be pulling together and finding ways forward together, to find ways to disagree and still get along.

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Now here is my interesting question: I've made myself some friends among conservatives by speaking this way. But I do find myself wondering: how many of you on the right will embrace such a philosophy if John Kerry should carry the election in November?

I don't want to hear why you think it won't happen. Indulge me: pretend it might. How many of you will have the patriotism to say, "I disagree with many of his policy directions, I do not think he is conducting our foreign policy in the right way, but I will do my best to get behind him and support him until elections come around next time?"

That's a great question and one that I think points out an important issue here in the US. People don't like to get along. And the only thing they like more than not getting along is pointing out why it's the other guys fault. The same people who are ranting and raving about how unpatriotic the left is for questioning Bush are the ones who were complaining about Clinton all through the 90's. I know, I was there. These people are friends and family members. They never shut up about all the terrible things Clinton was doing, and now won't shut up about how anyone who doesn't love Bush is a traitor. I don't think Bush can possibly win in November, (that's just my opinion, everyone has their own) and if he doesn't it will be very interesting to see how the conservative side reacts.

I'm Officially Over Starbucks

I've long argued that the draw to Starbucks isn't that it's really good coffee, it's that it's consistently mediocre. You always know what you are getting and it's not going to suck. The lesser draw for me was that being vegan, I know for sure they have soy milk which a lot of smaller shops didn't have. In my part of town, I know the good indie coffee shops and prefer those, but traveling or in unfamiliar territory Starbucks was always a safe bet. And the thing they had going for them was that the people working there always seemed to care. That is no longer the case. I've been keeping track, and the last 10 times (in a row) that I've been in a Starbucks they have messed up my order. They have gone from listening to what you order and getting you that, to assuming you are ordering the same thing as the last 20 people and rushing you through to get to the next person. A side effect is that the drinks are starting to suck. My dog could make a better espresso at this point. So that's it. I'm done. I will now go out of my way to avoid Starbucks. Admittedly, this is probably something I should have done a long time ago. The good news is, it's been a long time since I've been to an indie shop that didn't have soy so I think people are getting the idea.

Again with the Blogging vs. Journlism

In his c|net article "Cybertourists in Boston" Charles Cooper proves he, like the majority of Journalists, just doesn't get it. David Weinberger responds with a video blog post, and says a lot of what I said earlier this month in response to the Alex Jones piece. Am I the only one starting to feel embarrassed for these guys? They are so clueless it's frightening. My new advice to Journists is this: Don't write about blogs. You will look like a retard. Really.

How Dare You Not Be Afraid!

This morning I got an e-mail from Matt. He wanted to let me know that he didn't like my recent blogging.la post on the terrorist warnings in CA and that he had posted a reply on his own site. It was a very nice e-mail and as I clicked the link I was hoping to read a well thought out argument. Unfortunately, as is usually the case, that isn't what I got. I've read his post several times now and the only thing I can gather is that he's upset that I'm not as afraid as he is. Why he cares? I don't know. But it's very clear that he's scared, he even says so:

Or you could live in fear, (which I admit I sorta do. I am still expecting bad, really bad, terrorism attacks sometime in the near future.

So I have to ask, why? What is he so afraid of? Silly me, he answers that in the next line:

Al Qaeda likes to do a major attack every three years or so. Well I just checked my calender[sic], and it turns out that its been about 3 years since 9/11/2001. Anyways.)

Ah. Ok. If there was anything at all to back that up, it might hold a little weight, but there isn't. Matt provides no link to justify that claim, and I spent about 10 minutes on google and could not find a single article claiming that Al Qaeda runs on three year schedule. In fact, if you look at the Al Qaeda entry on Wikipedia, not only is there no mention of a three year plan, but there's a list of attacks that can be attributed to Al Qaeda and clearly there's no set timeframe. Months apart, years apart, they are all over the place.

What is interesting is that this isn't the first time we've heard this argument. The time frame changes, but how often in 2002 did we hear "the one year anniversary of 9/11 is coming up and Al Qaeda loves to attack on anniversaries." But they didn't. We heard the same thing in 2003, "Two year anniversaries are very important to Al Qaeda." They weren't. And just to cover the bases there's been peppered reports all the way through about how they are planning something for our holidays, for their holidays, for the 9 months 11 days after anniversary, and just about anything else you can come up with. None of which have ever turned out to be true.

I'm not saying they aren't planning attacks, they probably are, I just don't think that A. they have some rigid schedule they are adhering to which justifies us being afraid every month because something is probably right around the corner, or B. that it's worth worrying about at all. If they are going to attack us next week they are going to attack us next week no matter how little I go outside or how closely I size up my cab driver. We have an elected government whose job it is to protect us from this kind of thing, and how they handle things will decide if we reelect them or decide someone else could do the job better.

The thing is that unspecific reports like this do *nothing* but keep people afraid, and actually dull your awareness. Pick up any psychology book and read about fear. It's crying wolf and I'm not going to fall for it.

Will Ferrell is god.

Will as Bush with a message just for you. [via]

What I want in a Blog Search Tool

There's been an ongoing discussion about search tools, specifically those used to track blogs and see who is referencing what. Last month Judith was talking about Feedster and today Jason is taking on Technorati. Since I promised the Scott's at Feedster that I'd put together a wishlist which I keep putting off I thought just thinking out loud would be a good way to start.

It's important to explain how I use these tools currently, in order to make sense of what I'm looking for. Obviously I have this blog, seanbonner.com, and I also have blogging.la. I then have my wife Caryn's art offshoot art.blogging.la and the art gallery we run together sixspace. Then there's Metroblogging and the every growing list of city metblogs. There's also a handful of blogs run by other people that I contribute to. On a daily basis, I want to know whose talking about these sites, and some of them on a several times daily basis.

At this point there's not one tool that will answer this question for me so I use a search cocktail. I have a group of RSS feeds that I generated at feedster that are scanned every time my aggregator runs. This is great for finding sites that are talking about specific key words, but not linking to them. Then in my browser I have a bookmark folder with a bunch of bookmarks of technorati searches that I open in tabs several times a day. This is great for finding blogs linking to my sites. I also use several other search tools including google and their "link:" searches. Between all these I think I find *most* of the content I'm looking for, but every once and a while I someone points out something that slipped through the cracks.

While I've perfected the way this all works to the point where I don't have to think much about it on any regular basis, I'd be lying if I said it didn't take up too much time, or that I didn't wish it was easier. I know several people at both companies and I know they are working hard, so this isn't a criticism of what they are doing. I love what they are doing. This is really more of what I wish they could add to their already full plates. And trust me, I know some of this is impossible.

- Functional : I want the site to work. Obviously this is priority number one because if it doesn't work the results it isn't bring up don't matter. Actually giving back results and not timing our or stalling or whatever is the thing I want most. I'd sacrifice every other thing on this list if I knew the tool would work every time I used it.

- Speed : This isn't as big of a deal to me as it is to some other people. Since I actually do things during the day sitting at my laptop clicking reload on a search string, finding out that someone wrote something 45 minutes ago is as good as finding out they wrote it 5 minutes ago. At least it is to me. When I search, I generally want to know who has been talking about this stuff "today" - anything within the last hour is really fast. Under 10 minutes is really cool, but not really anymore useful than the last hour. As long as it's accurate and relatively up to date I'm happy.

- Thoroughness : I don't want to use 2, or three or four different tools to find all the links. I want one. Every time I search on Feedster I find something technorati didn't produce a minute earlier and vice versa. Who ever can give me all the info first will be my god.

- Smarts : I want there to be some way for the searches to be smart. I want to find out who is linking to seanbonner.com without sorting through 900 links to pages that are actually *on* seanbonner.com. I want to see who is talking about the Chicago Metblog without the results including everything ever posted *to* the Chicago Metblog. I don't know if an "exclude posts from this domain" option is the answer, but someone needs to figure this one out.

- Crosschecked RSS : I want an RSS feed for the search that works. Both sites offer these but they are both flawed. Here's some problems I have: Every time my aggregator runs, several posts are marked as new. They are not new. They are old. I've seen them several times in the last few days, and nothing has changed. The posts haven't been updated, commented to, trackedback, or anything. I've asked the authors "hey, did you change anything on this post?" they haven't. Sometimes I'm actually subscribed to the feeds on those sites, and those feeds know the post hasn't been updated, but the search feed thinks it has. This gets worse - sometime it thinks ALL the posts are new, and even worse than that, it thinks they are new, and new posts. So in one search feed, there will be 10 entries that really just point to the same three posts. Same titles and everything. I want there to be something that knows it's given me that info before.

That's what I want at the moment. I'll add more as I think of them.

Adam Greenfiled just want's someone at Technorati to respond to his e-mails.

bookmarks

I know I've mentioned this before, but I'm really enjoying del.icio.us and I'm trying to post links there everyday. Feel free to grab the RSS feed if you are interested in what I'm reading.

MJT is back

"Man. There has got to be some buyer’s remorse in the Democratic Party right now. I can still hardly believe they actually picked Kerry. (And I still can’t believe the GOP picked Bush instead of McCain.)"

Preach on, Brother.

DNC Speeches free at iTunes Music Store

Go get 'em.

More LobbyCon

Shortly after I posted about LobbyCon a wiki was formed and the discussion started heppening. While I originally envisioned one larger thing where people flew in from around the country(world, Joi?) to attend, much the way you would with a real country, Eric Rice might be onto something with his local "here's the time and place, show up" approach.

I think it's got it's plusses and negatives though. Just getting people from your city to show up and hang out is great, it takes a second to set up and there's not much more to it that that. So for ease of use it get's a 10. But one of the draws to the conferences is seeing the people you don't get a chance to see on a regular basis. Of course, not all bloggers hang out together so you might not see local people all the time anyway, but if I go to a conference I'm not going there to see the people who live in LA, I'm going to see the people who don't. While I might not see Xeni, Wil, Michael or Jonah on a regular basis, if I want to talk to them about something face to face I call 'em up and say "hey, let's get some coffee" and then go see them. I'm not waiting until the next conference we both might be at, like I am with other people who live further away.

There's been talk of several smaller LobbyCons happening at the same time linked up via IRC or webcams, which sounds good but then it's not really much different that IRC to begin with and you have the time zones to worry about and it gets messy. But maybe a few smaller ones need to happen to get the exposure for a bigger one? Maybe Eric has a LobbyCon-SF, and I have a LobbyCon-LA and someone else has a LobbyCon-NY or whatever and we pool everything we learn from the smaller ones and then have LobbyCon 2004 at the end of the year (I'm in Florida all of December, anyone want to meet up?) or 2005 at the begining of next year that people come together for.

Seeing a group of people on an IRC channel at the same time is cool, but it's nothing like having them all in the same room. Especially if those are all people involved and doing things. Getting "movers and shakers" together always results in high energy and great discussion. That's what we found in the Lobby at e-tech and BlogOn and I'd guess the same was true of SuperNova and BrainStorm. That's where I think LobbyCon could really excell.

Of course, that requires getting these people there. So the discussion continues...

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NetFlix for Handbags

This is one of those ideas you can't believe someone (perhaps yourself) didn't think of earlier. It's always been a shock to me that some women will spend thousands of bucks on a handbag, then never use it because either too many people saw them with it at some event, or there's some newer one that's better. But then again, me and fashion don't really get along so well. Anyway, the solution to this is a subscription system called Bag Borrow or Steal, like NetFlix, where you sign up, pick a new bag, use it, send it back, and get a new one. These dudes are gonna be huge. [via boj]

Who is this Obama Guy?

Lots of people have been asking that today - on the news, on the web, and via e-mails. lucky for me a good friend Jon Resh responded to one of those e-mails and laid out all the details. He says:

Funny you should ask.

When I can, I've been volunteering for Obama's campaign -- and I just got back from a big rally of supporters watching that speech.

Here's the scoop:

I first saw Barack Obama three years ago when he was a junior state senator in Illinois. He was on a talk show about local issues.

Purely by his demeanor and intelligence, I thought: this guy is totally brilliant. I'd follow this guy into the trenches.

I learned more about him. He had a sorta crazy childhood, complete with absent dad and a stint with drug abuse (including cocaine -- which the Repubs are of course trying to use against him), all of which he openly and honestly admits.

He got beyond it, and his subsequent educational credentials are impeccable: undergrad at Columbia University, then Harvard Law School magna cum laude. (he was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review, actually)

Then, with every law office in the nation open to him for a fat paying job, where does he go? To the worst part of Chicago, to practice civil rights law for poor people. (Recently he also started teaching law at University of Chicago.)

Then, last year, when Bush was preparing to go into Iraq, Obama was the only local politician to speak at protest rallies against the war -- and he did so with extreme eloquence (which was very much needed at said rallies).

Also last year, he announced his intention to run for the U.S. Senate seat. It was a crowded field. Local Democrats in this state, operating under the fabled old Daley machine, were backing a union puppet, but Obama swept the primaries totally unexpectedly (at least to the pundits). I emailed everyone I knew in town to vote for him.

About five months ago, I started volunteering for the Obama campaign, along with Melissa (who's now even more active than me). Our duty has mainly been going around registering voters.

Since I'm doing my own business now, preparing for wedding stuff, and dealing with a million other projects and things, I don't have a lot of time to contribute to the cause. But I try to do what I can.

A few months back, his Republican challenger, Jack Ryan -- an impressive candidate for the GOP, also young and well-spoken -- had strongly resisted opening his personal divorce files. By court order they were eventually released to the public, where it was shown that Ryan tried to make his then-wife go to sex clubs in Paris, NYC and New Orleans, more or less against her will.

Republicans went crazy all over the state, as Ryan wasn't the wholesome candidate they were promised. He was forced out of the race by the GOP. Here's the story when it broke.

The kicker: with Ryan gone, Republicans still haven't found an opponent to run against him (even Mike Ditka turned down the offer). Obama is currently running for the Senate seat alone.

This, of course, makes all of us who support Obama happy. But not having a choice in an election is not good for the populace, nor for democracy in general.

Obama has recognized this and said so himself. And he never once spoke badly of Jack Ryan during the whole scandal, nor has gloated in the wake of it. The man truly seems to be a class act, and his integrity is lauded by both sides.

In any case: I believe in this guy. In fact, in my lifetime I've never truly believed in any politician but him. Just watching Obama speak makes you want to be a better human being.

So, as mentioned, tonight Mel and I were at Obama temporary headquarters with about 1,000 other people watching his DNC speech. It was the diverse crowd you'd expect: every race and demographic represented, from old black church ladies to Latino construction foremen to Critical Mass bike punks, among many others.

Everybody was going nuts; it was a madhouse. I cannot say objectively if his speech was good or bad, but from my standpoint in that devoted crowd, it was truly awesome and even moving.

Frankly, I feel lucky to be a part of this: a rare moment where my cause is not the underdog cause, where the good guy is actually winning. I feel fortunate to be among Obama's constituency, and to be working with his campaign, even in a very minor capacity.

And while Obama will undoubtedly falter in the years to come to some degree -- everybody does! -- I'd be hard-pressed to think of anybody else who has more potential.

There are a lot of great stories attached to Obama and his ascendancy. Here are some of them, from a New Yorker article.

My personal favorite is when our local House rep met with Bush, and she was wearing an Obama button. Thinking the button said "OSAMA," he nearly freaked out (as we all can imagine Bush doing, seeing that language isn't much of a priority for him).

When the rep explained to him who he was, Bush said: "I've never heard of him." The rep replied: "You will."

As for your original question -- "What's the catch?" -- well... I'm still trying to find one myself.

I guess maybe one downside is he's so entrenched in the Democratic Party, which for many is a bad thing. And I'm sure you can come up with disagreements on his stance on various issues. I myself wish he was a little more vocal about the legalization of gay marriage, for instance.

But he seems to be a damn decent guy with a smart and rational ideological backing and good thought processes. And he seems to be -- even Republicans admit this -- a unique talent who, judging from his record and public statements, is as honest and respectful as they come. Maybe you can find a catch:

obamaforillinois.com

Okay, sorry this is such a long note, but there you go.

Jon

Cool Metblogs Review

Just found this review which I thought was pretty cool:

orget the guidebooks and free weekly newspapers, check out metroblogging for real insight into your city. This site calls on volunteer bloggers to provide candid and unedited commentary on local events, news, and hotspots. And unlike Fodor's, these blogs offer the kind of perspective that can only come from a true local. On any given day, you might get a rant about the long wait at a popular pancake restaurant, a recap of a gluttonous night on the town, or perhaps even an observation on neighborhood odors. Locals and visitors alike are sure to appreciate the unique insight.

Technorati Facelift

Sometime in the past 20 minutes technorati got a redesign. Plus I don't see "beta" anywhere on the site, so this might be the full deal. Right on!

John Kerry is a Shitty Tipper

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $262.60 / $0.00 / 0% What happened: June 5, 04 Kerry, his wife, 4 unknown suits - We were happy to seat them in a semi-private area and gave them the same excellent service as we would give anyone - then got stiffed!

LOBBYCON: The Wiki

Further discussion about LobbyCon can be found squatting on the M2M wiki.

Moblogging wars

Me vs. Jonas Luster.

And here's the neutral thrid party perspective.

BLOGON: Photos

Here's a gallery of images from the event.

Feedster Fun

I just logged into Feedster to check out their new features and claim my feed and noticed that this site was picked as today's Feed Of The Day. Rad!

BLOGON: Wrap-up / lobbycon

I'm sitting in the hotel lobby killing time until my cab gets here to take me to the airport so I can fly back to LA. Overall I had a great time at the conference. I met plenty of interesting people, got to see others who I hadn't seen in a while and met many people in person who previously I'd only known online. It's also great to see how much has happened in the past few months since I was around them last. This is a really exciting time for blogs and blogging and it's amazingly cool to talk to someone who has a great idea, see them start putting it in motion, and just a few months later see it actually working. It's incredibly inspiring. The people who were in the audience a year ago are the ones on the panels today.

Also, because this was a smaller conference, I think 300 people total, there was a higher percentage of people who are actually doing something which adds to the energy.

That said, I think a lot of the panels were aimed at people who maybe weren't as dialed in on all the subjects being discussed. To someone with limited knowledge on the world of blogs it was probably very interesting, and I saw a lot of guys in blue shirts and khakis nodding and taking notes, but as I just mentioned there was a large number of people who are involved so much of what was being talked about was old news. Perhaps it's a side effect of how fast we're getting info with blogs, something that was the big topic a week ago is forgotten today, what is interesting is what's happening right now and what might happen tomorrow. It's actually funny to pick up a newspaper and read something today that you read about on blogs a week ago. I've actually commented about it to Caryn before, saying "can you believe some people are just now finding out about this?" So maybe that taints my perspective on the panels, but I still throughly enjoyed myself.

I think the real value of these events is getting the right people together. Earlier this year at e-tech we were joking that there were two conferences going on, e-tech was upstairs and lobbycon was downstairs. Last night at dinner (some 50 or so people from the conference all piled into a restraint to argue about the bill) the same thing was discussed. We're talking about social software so naturally social discussion works better. There's been so much talk about the back channel, and how to merge the panels and the audience to create an active discussion, meanwhile the answer has always been right outside of the conference room. Merging all this into one fluid discussion is not something we need to figure out how to do, we're already doing it. We just need to recognize where this is happening and take advantage of it.

So I'm proposing this - let's actually do it and see what happens. We'll pick a hotel in some city with a big lobby with wifi access and a date, and that's it. No panels, no time limits, no structure, no sponsors trying to push their products. Just the people and the lobby. We'll publish the list of attendees as soon as they sign up and that will be the conference. A long weekend, or a few days during a week. I don't know if it will work, but if anyone thinks it's an interesting idea post here, or trackback and if enough people actually think it's worthwhile I'll see what I can do about setting it up.

Of course, I've had a frighteningly small amount of coffee this morning so it's entirely possible this idea is a crock.

UPDATE: There's now a LobbyCon Wiki.

power trippin'

I have stated that the camera guy was an ass. I'm willing to revise that to that he was being an ass. Admittedly I don't know the guy, and the people who agreed with me at the time also don't know the guy. Other people who I've talked to who do know him have come to his defense and I respect that. I'm standing by my statements that he handled the situation(s) wrong but at this point I think that was probably due to his current stress levels and not his general persona.

The thing about blogging is it's the great equalizer, everyone is on the same level and everyone has a voice. Good, Bad or Ugly you and I have the same right and the same chance to make our statements. That's one thing I love about conferences like this, when you get to meet the people whose sites you read. You get to meet the people who you respect and look up to in this "space" and find out that they are real people to. Someone whose site gets millions of readers is just as accessible as someone with 10 regular readers. It's very cool, and exciting. That's how I was feeling when all this went down - and I felt like I was some high schooler being scolded by the assistant principal and I reacted to that. Anyone who reads this site knows I've never been good at keeping my mouth shut (something I consider to be equally one of best / worst personality traits).

Soct, if you are reading this, I absolutely think you were being a dick yesterday, but I have a lot of friends who have been dicks on plenty of occasions, and I'm certainly guilty of it myself from time to time. I'm very glad to hear from yourself and your friends that you are not a dick most of the time, and and are actually a fairly nice guy. That's a good thing to hear.

I look forward to meeting you some other time when there's no tripod or power-strips causing problems.

BLOGON: LinkedIn Demo

If anyone has the video of the LinkedIn demo, can they send it to me? Or post a link?

BLOGON: nitpicking

Q: How many times does your cell phone have to ring in the middle of a discussion before you realize it's annoying the crap out of everyone around you?

A: Apparently a lot.

BLOGON: afternoon tracks

this morning the conference was all in one room, but the afternoon is split into two tracks, one continuing the panel format, the other presentations by sponsors. It looks like the video/audio feeds are only of the presentation tracks which makes the discussion in the back channel a little odd.

BLOGON: morning irc logs

Here's the logs from the back channel from this morning's panels. I guess the entire network went down a few minutes into the last panel (the one I was on) so it kind of stops short. Click more to read the rest. Just want to say again that the camera guy was a total tool and on a power trip from hell.

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 09:43:01 2004

Jul 23 09:43:01 --> You are now talking on #blogon
Jul 23 09:43:05 [stowe> danah is dissing the last panel
Jul 23 09:43:11 [jluster> danah gets to describe facetual deviance in no less than 4 pages A4 :)
Jul 23 09:43:59 [-- rossm has quit (Connection timed out)
Jul 23 09:44:10 --> rossm (~Snak@haas-wlan-5.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 09:44:15 --> miker (~miker@haas-wlan-17.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 09:44:16 [stowe> blogs+sna may not make sense? baloney. its so obvious that blogs *are* social networks waiting to be made explicit
Jul 23 09:44:45 --> mikesigal (~mikesigal@haas-wlan-82.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 09:44:50 [miker> hi theagent, nice to see you around again
Jul 23 09:44:54 [stowe> fear is not a great motivator; it is a good demotivator
Jul 23 09:44:55 [theagent> anyone have the direct url for this rtsp: stream so that i can run it directly in Quicktime... its just sux in a browser plugin
Jul 23 09:45:14 [theagent> hey miker... good to see you again too
Jul 23 09:45:21 [xian> i like danah's hair not pink
Jul 23 09:45:39 [seanbonner> where is "THE HAT?"
Jul 23 09:45:44 [miker> I'm actually at the event this time, the major difference so far is that the network is worse
Jul 23 09:45:53 [miker> got here too late to mingle in the morning
Jul 23 09:46:09 [rkrato> http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
Jul 23 09:46:19 [seanbonner> the power supply is pretty bad too.
Jul 23 09:46:24 [evectorsmatt> yeah
Jul 23 09:46:26 [evectorsmatt> i got it too
Jul 23 09:46:29 [evectorsmatt> but mine is green
Jul 23 09:46:32 [miker> aye, I haven't found an outlet by me yet
Jul 23 09:46:33 [evectorsmatt> ah, there we go
Jul 23 09:46:39 [miker> are there any in the auditorium?
Jul 23 09:46:42 [stowe> matt - what's the link for the STES blog?
Jul 23 09:47:08 [evectorsmatt> http://stes.evectors.com/
Jul 23 09:47:27 [rossm> hey matt
Jul 23 09:47:34 [evectorsmatt> Hi there Ross
Jul 23 09:47:42 [HeikoHebig> hey from germany, ross
Jul 23 09:47:54 [rossm> hey heiko!
Jul 23 09:47:54 [seanbonner> ah, scarry laywers - your best entertainment value
Jul 23 09:48:01 [teknowcrat> evectorsmatt: glad to be of assistance this morning... :)
Jul 23 09:48:08 [evectorsmatt> I dream one day of employing many scary lawyers myself
Jul 23 09:48:18 [evectorsmatt> (Hi Judith... many thanks btw... much better!)
Jul 23 09:48:20 [rossm> http://www.chillingeffects.org/
Jul 23 09:48:22 [teknowcrat> wendy's not a scary lawyer
Jul 23 09:48:46 * seanbonner just hired a scary lawyer at the gallery but that's a different story
Jul 23 09:48:52 [theagent> rkrato: thanks for the url..
Jul 23 09:48:57 [rossm> similar... http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Disinfopedia
Jul 23 09:49:08 [rossm> this guy has the hardest job
Jul 23 09:49:18 [seanbonner> pink floyd has no lightsaber
Jul 23 09:49:36 [jluster> and Pink floyd isn't your father, either
Jul 23 09:49:44 [jluster> but at least we won't get a prequel
Jul 23 09:50:00 [theagent> I've listened to Pink Floyd and thought I was a light saber... (college years)
Jul 23 09:50:32 [theagent> did he just say he wanted control of Dana?
Jul 23 09:50:42 [evectorsmatt> that *would* be a tough job
Jul 23 09:51:01 [rossm> do the non-users agree to the privacy policy?
Jul 23 09:51:06 [seanbonner> btw, I'm logging this for blogging.
Jul 23 09:51:26 [theagent> seanbonner: by the definition from AlwaysOn.. this is a blog
Jul 23 09:51:28 [theagent> ;-)
Jul 23 09:51:35 [rossm> :-)
Jul 23 09:51:37 [seanbonner> =)
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Jul 23 09:51:42 [ChristopherA> There was a big discussion about implicit (i.e. spoke) vs. explicit (i.e. linkedin) social networking last night at the CMU speaker series.
Jul 23 09:52:00 [rossm> sorry to have missed it
Jul 23 09:52:11 [stowe> huh?
Jul 23 09:52:13 [rossm> anybody blog it?
Jul 23 09:52:14 [seanbonner> wah?
Jul 23 09:52:15 [ChristopherA> So yes, they are including non-members spoke's implicit networking.
Jul 23 09:52:16 [jluster> http://www.jluster.org/ - trying not to blow-by-blow it
Jul 23 09:52:22 [stowe> How is one imp and the other exp?
Jul 23 09:52:33 [jluster> ChristopherA: http://www.jluster.org/node/78
Jul 23 09:52:35 [ChristopherA> Not that I've seen so far -- all the bloggers were here.
Jul 23 09:52:43 [teknowcrat> oops, shouldn't have shouted out mary's name, got a bunch of stares!
Jul 23 09:52:44 [rossm> anybody blog the CMU event, I mean
Jul 23 09:52:46 [ChristopherA> Cool, thanks!
Jul 23 09:52:46 [seanbonner> I'm talking smack blow-by-blow: http://www.seanbonner.com
Jul 23 09:52:53 [teknowcrat> can anyone restate her question for me?
Jul 23 09:52:56 [stowe> because spoke is putting in non-opted-in data in the network?
Jul 23 09:53:08 [jluster> seanbonner: Blogchannel instead of Backchannel
Jul 23 09:53:09 [jluster> ?
Jul 23 09:53:20 [stowe> chris?
Jul 23 09:53:28 [evectorsmatt> damn, lost the audio
Jul 23 09:53:29 [theagent> John-Boy?
Jul 23 09:53:32 [seanbonner> indeed.
Jul 23 09:54:17 [seanbonner> someone needs to stealth disco
Jul 23 09:54:24 [ChristopherA> Stowe: Spoke gets your social network based on people's address books and emails.
Jul 23 09:54:40 [stowe> and...
Jul 23 09:54:40 [evectorsmatt> this sucks
Jul 23 09:54:53 [ChristopherA> So for instance, spoke has an identity for you which is everyone's bad email address for you.
Jul 23 09:54:56 [teknowcrat> evectorsmatt: no audio?
Jul 23 09:55:05 [stowe> that makes it implicit?
Jul 23 09:55:21 [evectorsmatt> no
Jul 23 09:55:23 [theagent> Dana sounds like she has to burp
Jul 23 09:55:25 [stowe> I would have thought my email traffic is explicit
Jul 23 09:55:27 [miker> good comment ChristopherA
Jul 23 09:55:35 [seanbonner> the web / blogs are ALL ABOUT letting people do their thing.
Jul 23 09:55:39 [ChristopherA> Yes. Explicit when the user says "x is my friend" rather then discovering it from your history.
Jul 23 09:55:42 [evectorsmatt> no sound
Jul 23 09:55:47 [stowe> she said she has strep and brochitis
Jul 23 09:55:54 [teknowcrat> what question are they respondind to?
Jul 23 09:55:56 [stowe> ok
Jul 23 09:55:56 [seanbonner> that the metblog model anyway.
Jul 23 09:55:57 [jluster> danah confuses folkway creation and mores passed down
Jul 23 09:56:04 [ChristopherA> Stowe, yes, so you are friends with your mortage company? Your ex-wife's lawyer?
Jul 23 09:56:07 [stowe> I thought you were making a different distinction
Jul 23 09:56:10 [rossm> chris, another definition is if the relationship is made visible at all (e.g. vs. blogging)
Jul 23 09:56:16 [theagent> they don't need to become one... but it would be nice to have profile interchange
Jul 23 09:56:46 [stowe> no, but I have a social relationship with them
Jul 23 09:56:55 [stowe> friendship is not the only modality
Jul 23 09:57:04 [rossm> on implicit/explicit, a work in progress: http://www.socialtext.net/m2m/index.cgi?relationship_discovery_and_representation
Jul 23 09:57:04 [ChristopherA> The classic example with spoke is that they have me as president of Consensus Development, becasue some people have that old data for me, but I have no access to that account anymore so I can't claim it.
Jul 23 09:57:05 [teknowcrat> this panel is not connected to this backchannel
Jul 23 09:57:09 [stowe> I trust my mortgage broker
Jul 23 09:57:16 [jluster> stowe: a social relationship? not a trust relationship?
Jul 23 09:57:19 [rossm> I could get up an ask a question on behalf of the back channel
Jul 23 09:57:37 [seanbonner> viva la back channel
Jul 23 09:57:53 [evectorsmatt> now QuickTime has frozen
Jul 23 09:57:53 [teknowcrat> ok
Jul 23 09:57:53 [evectorsmatt> bah
Jul 23 09:57:53 [teknowcrat> rossm: How do we give privacy control back to the individual?
Jul 23 09:58:03 [jluster> stowe: at least in conflict theory, social networks emphasize identity, while trust relationships emphasize communication
Jul 23 09:58:06 [ChristopherA> But without explicit, it could be wrong, or misinterpret.
Jul 23 09:58:27 [theagent> the one thing that hasn't been talked about is identity and its impact in different social networks
Jul 23 09:58:31 [evectorsmatt> Is anyone else watching via live stream? do you have audio?
Jul 23 09:58:34 [teknowcrat> jluster: communication of your identity?
Jul 23 09:58:45 [jluster> teknowcrat: communication of factoids
Jul 23 09:58:51 [theagent> evectorsmatt: I do have audio
Jul 23 09:58:53 [rossm> Pose questions here: http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi?action=weblog_display&category=Questions+Blog
Jul 23 09:58:59 [teknowcrat> personal and or otherwise?
Jul 23 09:59:06 [theagent> take the stream directly in Quicktime and get it out of the browser
Jul 23 09:59:07 [rkrato> evectorsmatt: I can hear in FL
Jul 23 09:59:08 [stowe> the stream works for me
Jul 23 09:59:14 [evectorsmatt> theagent: I am watching directly in QT
Jul 23 09:59:22 [HeikoHebig> audio working in germany, video.. well...
Jul 23 09:59:29 [evectorsmatt> restarting QT
Jul 23 09:59:31 [teknowcrat> evectorsmatt: reboot...:)
Jul 23 09:59:33 [ChristopherA> ross: given your chart, spoke crosses over both implicit and explicit.
Jul 23 10:00:08 [evectorsmatt> sounds back
Jul 23 10:00:33 [stowe> re: implicit/explicit - I think the true distinction is whether the individuals have actaully opted in (explicit) to the network as opposed to being entries in someone's rolodex (implicit)
Jul 23 10:01:10 [rossm> chris, its an open post, please feel free to modify :-)
Jul 23 10:01:25 [theagent> fixation in the means of tangible expression
Jul 23 10:01:38 [miker> I think the difference between implicit vs explicit is that relationships are inferred from actual interaction in implicit, and stated in some kind of form or questionaire for explicit
Jul 23 10:01:45 [theagent> need to sign up for that domain name
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Jul 23 10:02:32 [seanbonner> spam filtering is analyizing incomming e-mail
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Jul 23 10:03:32 [jluster> teknowcrat: http://www.jluster.org/node/59
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Jul 23 10:04:39 [tedr> it's funny I've been experiementing w/ both explicit and implicit on my site, and when it's purely explicit users do not realize there are more features they could use. When it's purely implicit, of course, it infuriates people. But when it's implicit everyone realises the feature exists and many more would switch over to using it explicitly vs. if it was only explicit from the beginning.
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Jul 23 10:04:55 [ChristopherA> rossm: started some comments on that wiki.
Jul 23 10:04:56 [theagent> get rid of lobbyists
Jul 23 10:05:01 [rossm> cool, chris
Jul 23 10:05:13 [stowe> first we kill all the lawyers
Jul 23 10:05:18 [tedr> So it's a weird balance, since no one ever reads directions on a website, you almost have to offer something to them in an implicit manner just so they know they can use and then offer them the right to change to explicit usage
Jul 23 10:05:33 [rossm> btw... i posted my so called presentation here http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2004/07/22/discussing_social_media.php
Jul 23 10:05:36 [theagent> lobbyists and lawyers = synonymous
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Jul 23 10:05:57 [teknowcrat> what are we, as spokespeople for social media, doing about creating a 'sharing culture'?
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Jul 23 10:07:43 [seanbonner> that is nothing new danah
Jul 23 10:08:08 [seanbonner> people have goofed on other people like that for ever, online is just a new medium.
Jul 23 10:12:03 [theagent> first off we need to defeat this totally bullshit Hatch proposed bill on induced pirating
Jul 23 10:12:03 --- rossm has changed the topic to: Blogon Eventspace http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/
Jul 23 10:12:03 [Robin> Q to the backchannel: Seems like there's this overreaction to IP law violation b/c companies are afraid of what will happen if they let the "little stuff" slide. It's really don't think they're actually eager to stick it to 13-year-olds. They believe they HAVE to, yeah? So what's the argument that says, "You don't have to go after the 13-year-old downloader" -- what will reassure corps?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [Robin> er, I really don't think
Jul 23 10:12:04 [stowe> am i still here?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [HeikoHebig> i think you are
Jul 23 10:12:04 [evectorsmatt> Stowe: yes
Jul 23 10:12:04 [evectorsmatt> Robin: Has precendent actually happened in other comparable areas?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [HeikoHebig> robin: if common sense does not tell someone to NOT go after some 13-year old, then what does?
Jul 23 10:12:04 [Robin> Heiko: Agreed, but a lot of law procedure doesn't obey common sense, right? I feel like this is a much more legalistic issue than we think. (I could be wrong.)
Jul 23 10:12:04 [Robin> evectorsmatt: I have no idea. Wish I did.
Jul 23 10:12:04 [evectorsmatt> great panning there
Jul 23 10:12:04 [ChristopherA> Urk, the backchannels are killing the wireless network.
Jul 23 10:12:04 [-- miker has quit ("leaving")
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Jul 23 10:12:13 [HeikoHebig> blame the backchannels ;-)
Jul 23 10:12:23 [-- wehriam has quit ()
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Jul 23 10:13:17 [ChristopherA> Are we back?
Jul 23 10:13:23 [HeikoHebig> BART = social network?
Jul 23 10:13:25 [evectorsmatt> you left?
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Jul 23 10:13:47 [seanbonner> HeikoHebig: busblog
Jul 23 10:13:50 [-- rossm has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
Jul 23 10:13:52 [HeikoHebig> hehe
Jul 23 10:13:58 [ChristopherA> The network went partially down. No conference seems to be able to handle this number of wireless users.
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Jul 23 10:14:28 [evectorsmatt> Anyone know who is asking the Q?
Jul 23 10:14:38 [pencoyd> nope
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Jul 23 10:14:50 [evectorsmatt> Does he have a badge?
Jul 23 10:14:57 [seanbonner> he's got a tie and a jacket
Jul 23 10:14:57 [evectorsmatt> Maybe the camera guy could zoom & focus...
Jul 23 10:14:58 [pencoyd> "takemaker" ???
Jul 23 10:15:04 [evectorsmatt> we need camera controls
Jul 23 10:15:04 [seanbonner> and jeans
Jul 23 10:15:13 [theagent> a what?
Jul 23 10:15:16 [jluster> tapemaker
Jul 23 10:15:21 [jluster> people who make tapes
Jul 23 10:15:23 [pencoyd> tie and jacket, but jeans
Jul 23 10:15:23 [seanbonner> T A P E M A K E R
Jul 23 10:15:25 [andymatic> Who is it that's going off?
Jul 23 10:15:36 [rossm> as in making tapes
Jul 23 10:15:50 [pencoyd> aha
Jul 23 10:15:59 [jluster> We don't need danah anymore. Not sure what he meant by that....
Jul 23 10:16:07 [pencoyd> tapes makes much more sense... thanks, Ross (fyi, I'm John Roberts)
Jul 23 10:16:08 [teknowcrat> his tie is covering his name tag
Jul 23 10:16:21 [rossm> hey john
Jul 23 10:16:34 [theagent> cool... this guy just came up with my new company names.. DarksideTools, Inc.
Jul 23 10:16:41 [seanbonner> and Marc Cantor heckles danah.. again!
Jul 23 10:16:43 [seanbonner> =)
Jul 23 10:16:43 [-- tedr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
Jul 23 10:16:49 [teknowcrat> but of cours
Jul 23 10:16:51 [teknowcrat> e
Jul 23 10:16:56 [jluster> someone ask this guy who he is...
Jul 23 10:17:09 [teknowcrat> which guy?
Jul 23 10:17:11 [seanbonner> Dear Sir, who are you?
Jul 23 10:17:20 [rossm> this is the spoke guy
Jul 23 10:17:25 [jluster> the one with the tapemaker
Jul 23 10:17:28 [jluster> comment
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Jul 23 10:17:37 [teknowcrat> chris kelly
Jul 23 10:17:43 [rossm> good, JD Lasica is about to ask a question
Jul 23 10:17:44 [stowe> I'm ba-a-a-a-ck
Jul 23 10:17:46 [pencoyd> Why doesn't the attendee list include people's blogs?
Jul 23 10:17:48 [jluster> no, I know Chris
Jul 23 10:17:51 [seanbonner> this panel better wrap shit up soon, I'm supposed to meet at that table for a "dry run" of my panel in about 13 minutes
Jul 23 10:18:07 [seanbonner> pencoyd: good point
Jul 23 10:18:09 [pencoyd> based on last night... forget dry run
Jul 23 10:18:13 [rossm> so if this is the darkside, does this make my panel the light side?
Jul 23 10:18:17 [jluster> yes
Jul 23 10:18:26 [seanbonner> rossm: yes.
Jul 23 10:18:32 [jluster> the shiny side, as in coins and golden faucets
Jul 23 10:18:32 * HeikoHebig is looking forward to entering the light side
Jul 23 10:18:33 [pencoyd> Just call yourself the Rebel Alliance, Ross... sounds cooler.
Jul 23 10:18:36 [rossm> use the force, then
Jul 23 10:18:51 * stowe is on the far side
Jul 23 10:18:54 [seanbonner> my panel will be the matte finish side
Jul 23 10:19:11 [rossm> Luke, trust your instincts, but don't trust others
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Jul 23 10:19:27 [theagent> to be honest.. all these panels are "transparent'
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Jul 23 10:19:55 [andymatic> I'm waiting for someone to do the Bill O'Reilly: "Shut up! Shut up! Cut his mic!" ;)
Jul 23 10:19:57 [rossm> as in see through clothing?
Jul 23 10:20:11 [stowe> it is a felony in most plases to wear a mask in public
Jul 23 10:20:12 [evectorsmatt> great
Jul 23 10:20:16 [evectorsmatt> "my question is:...."
Jul 23 10:20:20 [evectorsmatt> and I lose the fucking audio again
Jul 23 10:20:26 [evectorsmatt> this blows
Jul 23 10:20:44 [theagent> evectorsmatt, it's been running flawlessly here....
Jul 23 10:20:46 [seanbonner> how long until someone asking a question turns it into an ad?
Jul 23 10:20:55 [seanbonner> audience question spam?
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Jul 23 10:21:20 [evectorsmatt> i give up
Jul 23 10:21:23 [theagent> oooohhhhh.... publiast and the federalist papers...
Jul 23 10:21:31 [evectorsmatt> maybe pasta with tuna & anchovy will be more reliable
Jul 23 10:21:33 [ChristopherA> bye
Jul 23 10:21:43 [evectorsmatt> ta ta
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Jul 23 10:21:47 [pencoyd> I just got power. later
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Jul 23 10:22:50 [theagent> time for breakfast... brb
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Jul 23 10:24:55 [theagent> funny.... audio is still running..
Jul 23 10:25:16 [theagent> I love listening to individual pitches
Jul 23 10:25:37 [theagent> a business model around commission marketing?
Jul 23 10:25:44 [seanbonner> heh
Jul 23 10:26:24 [theagent> backchannel eavesdropping..... fun
Jul 23 10:27:00 [theagent> iName?
Jul 23 10:27:21 [theagent> oh lord... another passport clone
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Jul 23 10:40:59 [HeikoHebig> can someone fix that noise?
Jul 23 10:41:10 [miker> found an outlet to recharge at
Jul 23 10:41:24 [miker> definitely need more outlets here
Jul 23 10:41:25 [theagent> wtf?
Jul 23 10:41:36 [theagent> what is the audio noise about
Jul 23 10:41:46 [theagent> and there is no vid here yet
Jul 23 10:41:51 [miker> There's a break right now still
Jul 23 10:41:56 [miker> restarts in about 10 minutes
Jul 23 10:42:01 [theagent> listening to someone
Jul 23 10:42:06 [miker> oops, make that 5 minutes
Jul 23 10:42:12 [miker> oh really, interesting
Jul 23 10:42:21 [theagent> some guy with a scottish accent
Jul 23 10:42:26 [HeikoHebig> is that some TV station?
Jul 23 10:42:44 [miker> is it a sponsor presentation or something?
Jul 23 10:42:59 [theagent> talking about Microsoft
Jul 23 10:43:13 [HeikoHebig> fast talker
Jul 23 10:43:15 [theagent> Homosapien 1.0
Jul 23 10:43:26 [theagent> the most important operating system
Jul 23 10:43:27 [theagent> funny
Jul 23 10:43:37 [theagent> with no upgrades in sight
Jul 23 10:43:41 [miker> sounds pretty amusing
Jul 23 10:43:45 [rkrato> I think I've heard that before
Jul 23 10:43:57 [theagent> oh well... its off now
Jul 23 10:44:23 [theagent> its back now
Jul 23 10:44:26 [miker> aww man, I was installing mplayer so I could check it out
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Jul 23 10:45:12 [theagent> sounds like the guy running the broadcast server is playing with an mp3 loop or something
Jul 23 10:45:13 [JoiIto> HeikoHebig, are you at blogon?
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Jul 23 10:45:24 [miker> heath row has his transcripts up already
Jul 23 10:45:30 [miker> that's just amazing
Jul 23 10:45:33 [rkrato> I think that's one of Scoble's channel9 things
Jul 23 10:45:49 [rkrato> It's Bill Hill
Jul 23 10:46:03 [HeikoHebig> king of the hill?
Jul 23 10:46:10 [rkrato> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=114
Jul 23 10:46:17 [rkrato> isn't Google great?
Jul 23 10:46:23 --- browser :Unknown command
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Jul 23 10:49:08 [HeikoHebig> hey jason
Jul 23 10:49:30 [JPDeFillippo> hey
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Jul 23 10:53:39 [theagent> man... I need his job... sit around and postulate about the impacts of reading and writing
Jul 23 10:54:50 [theagent> nice firing up the film-projector
Jul 23 10:54:52 --> mattpm (~Snak@haas-wlan-78.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 10:55:13 [theagent> the video from AlwaysOn
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Jul 23 10:56:40 [seanbonner> back
Jul 23 10:56:55 [seanbonner> there's some weird video thing being projected right now
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Jul 23 10:57:08 [imajes> hello bloggers!
Jul 23 10:57:22 [seanbonner> man on the street, asking people if they are bloggers
Jul 23 10:57:24 [theagent> welcome to this blog imajes
Jul 23 10:57:28 [theagent> lol
Jul 23 10:57:32 [seanbonner> heh
Jul 23 10:57:44 [imajes> heiko!
Jul 23 10:57:46 [HeikoHebig> my mom knows what a blogger is
Jul 23 10:57:49 [HeikoHebig> james!
Jul 23 10:58:02 [imajes> ltns
Jul 23 10:58:11 [HeikoHebig> well, hiding in germany, you know
Jul 23 10:58:37 [imajes> heh
Jul 23 10:59:27 [HeikoHebig> AlwaysOn produced this movie?
Jul 23 10:59:37 [seanbonner> it's kind of funny
Jul 23 10:59:45 [theagent> no... one of the panelists did
Jul 23 10:59:50 [theagent> or the moderator of a panel
Jul 23 10:59:54 [theagent> can't remember who though
Jul 23 11:00:17 [seanbonner> he's asking how to get to the blogosphere
Jul 23 11:00:25 [theagent> the part coming up is hilarious
Jul 23 11:00:29 [theagent> this part
Jul 23 11:00:57 [HeikoHebig> blogging is actually in france than it is in germany
Jul 23 11:01:03 [HeikoHebig> actually bigger
Jul 23 11:01:23 [theagent> funniest part of that movie
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Jul 23 11:02:09 [seanbonner> huge in vienna
Jul 23 11:02:13 [emv> hey folks
Jul 23 11:02:18 [emv> checking in from home
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Jul 23 11:02:47 [miker> hi edwardvielmetti
Jul 23 11:02:51 [seanbonner> this panel is up now
Jul 23 11:02:58 [theagent> I get it... we were listening to a dry run with Bill Hill earlier
Jul 23 11:03:15 [theagent> raises hand
Jul 23 11:03:18 [theagent> raises hand
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Jul 23 11:03:36 [rkrato> raises hand
Jul 23 11:03:38 [K_> Hi, is there a link to the video you are talking about?
Jul 23 11:03:44 [theagent> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=114
Jul 23 11:03:49 [theagent> oops not that one
Jul 23 11:04:14 [rkrato> you mean this one? http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
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Jul 23 11:04:34 [theagent> rtsp://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
Jul 23 11:04:46 [theagent> http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
Jul 23 11:05:10 [theagent> sorry the rtsp link doesn't work... I was trying to see if I could get it... http work though
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Jul 23 11:05:40 [K_> Ok, thanks for trying
Jul 23 11:06:15 [theagent> I have an rational fear of running Microsoft products
Jul 23 11:06:16 [K_> Is anyone going to the dinner tonight? I tried to sign up too late so I am listening in from home, but I would like to meet some people at dinner.
Jul 23 11:06:33 [seanbonner> K_: I'll be there
Jul 23 11:07:18 [K_> Cool-kieran at gmail dot com
Jul 23 11:07:33 [K_> if you want to meet up
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Jul 23 11:08:11 [theagent> rossm put up a wiki at http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi contribute
Jul 23 11:08:11 [seanbonner> Len from microsoft is talking about channel 9 on United where you can hear the pilots talking
Jul 23 11:08:50 [seanbonner> Jeff is showing off channel9.msdn.com
Jul 23 11:09:02 [miker> I'll be at the dinner
Jul 23 11:09:03 [theagent> I bet the cockpit conversation would be more entertaining if the plane was operated with WindowsXP
Jul 23 11:09:32 [seanbonner> theagent: "Shit! It crahsed again!!"
Jul 23 11:10:11 [theagent> Someone get that fucking pop-up out of the instrumentation
Jul 23 11:10:46 [seanbonner> every single thing on channel 9 has it's own RSS feed
Jul 23 11:10:50 [seanbonner> RSS everywhere
Jul 23 11:11:21 [theagent> I want this guys job.... sit around and bullshit about reading and writing
Jul 23 11:12:12 [theagent> a conference wiki can be found at http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi
Jul 23 11:12:21 [wseltzer> How many of you use Internet Explorer? (very few hands go up)
Jul 23 11:12:24 [seanbonner> channel 9 has a wiki so people can talk smack aboout IE
Jul 23 11:12:34 [JPDeFillippo> The audio feed isn't of the speakers. What's the point :-/
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Jul 23 11:12:50 [theagent> your listening to the wrong feed
Jul 23 11:12:54 [theagent> I did the same thing
Jul 23 11:13:13 [theagent> here is the feed you're looking for http://journalism.berkeley.edu/events/video/include/blogon.ref.mov
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Jul 23 11:13:51 [pencoyd> Is this story new to this audience? It's a well-told story, but is it new?
Jul 23 11:14:19 [pencoyd> or do we need this case study in public to use as a proof point for our own companies?
Jul 23 11:14:20 [theagent> they've found enlightenment at Microsoft
Jul 23 11:14:21 [seanbonner> pencoyd: yeah not sure the deal here - they asked how many people knew about Ch9 and most people raised their hands..
Jul 23 11:14:49 [theagent> humanize microsoft.... hahaha
Jul 23 11:14:56 [seanbonner> HA.
Jul 23 11:15:13 [teknowcrat> define humanize
Jul 23 11:15:20 [seanbonner> everyone goes to technorati
Jul 23 11:15:31 [theagent> define "drank the koolaide"
Jul 23 11:15:38 [pencoyd> the interview with Ward Cunningham about the wiki on Channel 9 is nice
Jul 23 11:15:47 [seanbonner> define "jumped the shark"
Jul 23 11:16:06 [teknowcrat> pencoyd: url?
Jul 23 11:16:18 [seanbonner> microsoft dudes wrapping up, passing over to Mena and Barak
Jul 23 11:16:24 [pencoyd> I'll have to dig it up. Or you can google it for me. ;-)
Jul 23 11:16:29 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: saw a special on sharks last evening, and they are nicer than us
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Jul 23 11:16:38 [teknowcrat> pencoyd: will do
Jul 23 11:16:49 [seanbonner> 700,000 people a month on Channel 9
Jul 23 11:16:54 [seanbonner> must register to use
Jul 23 11:16:56 [pencoyd> http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=7726
Jul 23 11:17:04 [teknowcrat> thanks...:)
Jul 23 11:17:08 [theagent> the real question is, "How long until Microsoft productizes it, and claims they invented it?"
Jul 23 11:17:12 [pencoyd> #5 referrer from Slashdot
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Jul 23 11:17:38 [jluster> Whos is the #1, then?
Jul 23 11:17:48 [seanbonner> asstraffic.com
Jul 23 11:17:51 [jluster> aside from google and other search engines, I guess...
Jul 23 11:17:56 [theagent> How long until Microsloth files a patent
Jul 23 11:18:20 [pencoyd> Why are we using IRC instead of SubEthaEdit?
Jul 23 11:18:21 [seanbonner> someone should ask them that.
Jul 23 11:18:36 [jluster> pencoyd: because no one has a SEE doc open
Jul 23 11:18:45 [theagent> because we can't tunnel SubethaEdit outside
Jul 23 11:18:48 [seanbonner> some dude just brought a dog into the room
Jul 23 11:18:58 [jluster> there's one
Jul 23 11:19:00 [pencoyd> ah... forgot that not everyone is in the room
Jul 23 11:19:07 [pencoyd> I've got a doc open
Jul 23 11:19:12 [tedr> woof woof!
Jul 23 11:19:23 [JPDeFillippo> theagent: thanks! Got it
Jul 23 11:19:46 [seanbonner> mena talking about licensing and pricing
Jul 23 11:19:50 [theagent> we really do need a good tunnel server just for iChat and SubEthaEdit
Jul 23 11:21:15 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: that's mark pincus
Jul 23 11:21:19 [teknowcrat> with the dog
Jul 23 11:21:28 [seanbonner> ah.
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Jul 23 11:22:01 [K_> I couldn't get the video link to work, is there an external audio link?
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Jul 23 11:22:10 [JPDeFillippo> Mena looks like she needs a coffee
Jul 23 11:22:13 [seanbonner> talking about 800-900 trackbacks that were mostly negative
Jul 23 11:22:21 * seanbonner needs coffee
Jul 23 11:22:30 [JPDeFillippo> This is the exact same thing she said at Supernova. Damn near word for word.
Jul 23 11:22:36 [theagent> trackbacks are way more valuable then comment systems
Jul 23 11:22:38 [jluster> yepp
Jul 23 11:22:44 [pencoyd> What about pingback?
Jul 23 11:23:07 [pencoyd> I hear various cries for that as an enhancement for trackback... but not widely supported, so should we just live with the devil we have?
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Jul 23 11:23:12 [wseltzer> Does anyone offer a "trackback posting service" without a weblog?
Jul 23 11:23:33 [pencoyd> where would you link back to, wseltzer?
Jul 23 11:23:38 [wseltzer> i.e. just post comments as "trackbacks"
Jul 23 11:23:42 [pencoyd> (I don't know of any such service.)
Jul 23 11:23:59 [pencoyd> Many sites have comments that don't require a weblog.
Jul 23 11:24:03 [imajes> heya wendy!
Jul 23 11:24:04 [wseltzer> (for people frustrated by comment registration systems)
Jul 23 11:24:16 [wseltzer> (but who don't have blogs of their own)
Jul 23 11:24:32 [pencoyd> Why would a trackback posting service be better than normal comments on a site?
Jul 23 11:24:42 [wehriam> there are a few scripting libraries that do that
Jul 23 11:24:42 [teknowcrat> this panel: the axis of evil?
Jul 23 11:24:46 [theagent> wseltzer, the only problem with that scenario is it would suffer from the same SPAM type assaults as comment systems
Jul 23 11:24:50 [wseltzer> hey imajes
Jul 23 11:24:52 [pencoyd> as someone who runs a site, I don't want posting without accountability
Jul 23 11:24:53 [wehriam> the axis of sponsors
Jul 23 11:25:00 [teknowcrat> james!
Jul 23 11:25:09 [wseltzer> theagent: yes, that's why I was wondering
Jul 23 11:25:24 [rossm> anybody from misbehaving.net here? http://www.corante.com/brainwaves/archives/005248.html
Jul 23 11:25:32 [seanbonner> teknowcrat: this does seem like a big ad
Jul 23 11:25:36 [wseltzer> Last time I heard Mena, I thought it was interesting to hear her talk about trackbacks as "comments with accountability"
Jul 23 11:25:43 [teknowcrat> yep
Jul 23 11:25:47 [wseltzer> ...and I wondered whether there were yet services to break that
Jul 23 11:25:48 [wehriam> trackbacks don't trigger MT rebuilds by default, so it probably won't get spammed
Jul 23 11:25:53 [theagent> and that is exactly what trackbacks are
Jul 23 11:25:54 [teknowcrat> many mea culpas
Jul 23 11:26:04 [teknowcrat> many mena mea culpas?
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Jul 23 11:26:14 [seanbonner> JPDeFillippo: trackback rant?
Jul 23 11:26:28 [theagent> rantback track
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Jul 23 11:26:44 [JPDeFillippo> nah, I need coffee first ;-)
Jul 23 11:26:46 [wehriam> backtrack rant.
Jul 23 11:26:49 [theagent> come up with a new standard... rantbacks
Jul 23 11:27:00 [seanbonner> can anyone tell me what "new" has been told here yet?
Jul 23 11:27:02 [teknowcrat> back ranttrack
Jul 23 11:27:05 [pencoyd> theagent, rantbacks are the standard
Jul 23 11:27:10 [seanbonner> 2-3 minutes for comments
Jul 23 11:27:18 [theagent> there is ZERO new in this entire conference
Jul 23 11:27:20 [pencoyd> not quite conversational
Jul 23 11:27:23 [teknowcrat> no new news yet
Jul 23 11:27:25 [wehriam> Nothing new has been said. Perhaps that could be the first question.
Jul 23 11:27:27 [JPDeFillippo> I don't see this on the schedule. What is this one supposed to be about?
Jul 23 11:27:34 [HeikoHebig> not yet
Jul 23 11:27:34 [pencoyd> question is whether the new audience finds this new
Jul 23 11:27:39 [theagent> first question: "Why did I pay money to listen to this?"
Jul 23 11:27:44 [wehriam> Corporate transparancy or something
Jul 23 11:27:53 [seanbonner> "hi, I'm Sean Bonner, can someone on the panel please tell me something new?"
Jul 23 11:28:11 [pencoyd> Sean, remember the Golden Rule.
Jul 23 11:28:29 [wehriam> Yes, you'd have to tell them something new first.
Jul 23 11:28:39 [pencoyd> like the bounding Windows logo?
Jul 23 11:28:44 [pencoyd> that's sponsorship
Jul 23 11:28:47 [pencoyd> ;-)
Jul 23 11:28:52 [stowe> another yawnfest?
Jul 23 11:29:11 [seanbonner> JPDeFillippo: buisiness transparency
Jul 23 11:29:23 [theagent> I think we had a great idea at O'Reilly ETech... we just need LobbyCon
Jul 23 11:29:30 [theagent> no money.. just find a hotel lobby
Jul 23 11:29:38 [teknowcrat> have they answered the question: How will social media generate new businesses and how will they impact old line businesses?
Jul 23 11:29:39 [seanbonner> theagent: 'zactly
Jul 23 11:29:58 [seanbonner> the lobby is where it's at
Jul 23 11:29:59 [teknowcrat> this track is: business models & business impact
Jul 23 11:30:16 [theagent> teknowcrat, you have to be kidding... really?
Jul 23 11:30:18 [teknowcrat> and the ? to be addressed here is as i wrote above
Jul 23 11:30:25 [theagent> howw the hell does this session live up to that?
Jul 23 11:30:57 [theagent> seanbonner, BTW, SENT was interesting....
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Jul 23 11:31:26 [seanbonner> thanks
Jul 23 11:31:38 [stowe> is it lunch?
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Jul 23 11:32:12 [theagent> at least we have a chyron on this webcast...
Jul 23 11:32:19 [theagent> they missed the boat at AlwaysOn
Jul 23 11:32:31 [JPDeFillippo> oh god
Jul 23 11:32:40 [seanbonner> someone shoot me
Jul 23 11:32:43 [pencoyd> stop HIM now
Jul 23 11:32:47 [teknowcrat> who is this guy?
Jul 23 11:32:53 [seanbonner> my name is up there
Jul 23 11:32:56 [seanbonner> wtf?
Jul 23 11:32:57 [theagent> think I'll go for lunch
Jul 23 11:32:57 [teknowcrat> he's not on the agenda
Jul 23 11:32:57 [HeikoHebig> i dont have video, but the audio of this guy...
Jul 23 11:32:57 [JPDeFillippo> tell him to stop eating the mic
Jul 23 11:33:08 [seanbonner> this guy thinks he's a riot
Jul 23 11:34:15 [seanbonner> bah bah bah
Jul 23 11:34:37 [seanbonner> what the hell is going on right now?
Jul 23 11:34:40 [seanbonner> anyone?
Jul 23 11:34:43 [seanbonner> anyone?
Jul 23 11:35:07 [seanbonner> the network is all jumpy again
Jul 23 11:36:31 Python interface unloaded
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Jul 23 11:40:24 [theagent> some idiot probably set his wifi card to the same SSID as the conference
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Jul 23 11:40:47 [seanbonner> back
Jul 23 11:41:06 [JoiIto> idiots
Jul 23 11:41:10 [theagent> nice... algorithms vs. editors
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Jul 23 11:41:30 [theagent> can this conference be more f'd up
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Jul 23 11:41:37 [seanbonner> is it just me or does this guy sound like he's trying to scare people?
Jul 23 11:41:47 [seanbonner> or at least scared himself?
Jul 23 11:41:48 [theagent> what has this got to do with the subject of this session?
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Jul 23 11:42:03 [andymatic> He sounds very gloom and doom.
Jul 23 11:42:14 [theagent> blah blah blah
Jul 23 11:42:23 [seanbonner> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 23 11:42:27 [andymatic> Like most major newspaper stories aren't based on press releases already.
Jul 23 11:42:30 [JPDeFillippo> I didn't know that it had been UN-invented
Jul 23 11:42:31 [stowe> anything 98 years old is dumb
Jul 23 11:42:42 [seanbonner> SHUT UP! People are using search engines looking for NEWS? NO!!
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Jul 23 11:42:44 [theagent> this guy is 98 years old
Jul 23 11:42:46 [stowe> print is dead
Jul 23 11:42:53 [wehriam> email is dead.
Jul 23 11:43:03 [stowe> email delenda est
Jul 23 11:43:08 [seanbonner> jesus fucking christ.
Jul 23 11:43:22 * stowe quotes Latin at the least excuse
Jul 23 11:43:23 [theagent> who picked these guys?
Jul 23 11:43:27 [teknowcrat> what the heck?
Jul 23 11:43:37 [mikesigal> sean...are your sites indexed in real time?
Jul 23 11:43:42 [JPDeFillippo> get a job
Jul 23 11:43:51 [seanbonner> mike - yes.
Jul 23 11:43:51 [stowe> i like the no ppt rule; why break it
Jul 23 11:43:53 [theagent> corporate communications departments...
Jul 23 11:44:10 [teknowcrat> how is this answering the question posed on biz models & biz impacts?
Jul 23 11:44:22 [theagent> this has NOTHING to do with the subject matter
Jul 23 11:44:32 [seanbonner> does this guy have a blog?
Jul 23 11:44:37 [teknowcrat> lol
Jul 23 11:44:37 [theagent> oh god... now we're getting into search terms
Jul 23 11:44:38 [seanbonner> I want to make sure NEVER to go there
Jul 23 11:44:43 [stowe> no, but its what he wants to talk about
Jul 23 11:44:45 [HeikoHebig> he has a fax
Jul 23 11:44:56 [seanbonner> HeikoHebig: he has a typewriter
Jul 23 11:45:09 [seanbonner> he faxes blog posts to google
Jul 23 11:45:50 [andymatic> Is he going to start crying?
Jul 23 11:45:50 [rvr> HeikoHebig: Hi :)
Jul 23 11:45:50 [theagent> I hope he publishes his fax number at the end of the powerpoint
Jul 23 11:45:50 [rvr> HeikoHebig: I'm Victor
Jul 23 11:45:50 [teknowcrat> powerpoint slides on a panel?
Jul 23 11:45:50 [HeikoHebig> i am not sure i get the deeper meaning of this presentation
Jul 23 11:45:50 [HeikoHebig> hi victor!
Jul 23 11:45:50 [teknowcrat> how is using pp illustrative of this new social media?
Jul 23 11:45:51 [wehriam> ok so great that a news search engine shows up press releases
Jul 23 11:45:51 [ChristopherA> I'm spacing on his topic myself.
Jul 23 11:45:51 [rvr> HeikoHebig: Congrats for typepad.de launch! :)
Jul 23 11:45:51 [wseltzer_> press release optimization. wrong audience...
Jul 23 11:45:52 [HeikoHebig> sshh ,-)
Jul 23 11:45:54 [theagent> someone switch the projector to the backchannel
Jul 23 11:46:01 [ChristopherA> ;-)
Jul 23 11:46:06 [wseltzer_> theagent++
Jul 23 11:46:07 [teknowcrat> let's project the backchannel on the screen behind the speakers
Jul 23 11:46:13 [rvr> HeikoHebig: :))
Jul 23 11:46:15 [stowe> theagent++
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Jul 23 11:46:32 [theagent> zzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ
Jul 23 11:46:36 [wehriam> I think he's talking about PR being able to communicate directly with consumers
Jul 23 11:46:36 [seanbonner> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jul 23 11:46:39 [teknowcrat> theagent: guess i just type slower than you...
Jul 23 11:46:58 [seanbonner> i think this "speach" should have been given to a bunch of newspaper editors
Jul 23 11:47:02 [wseltzer_> Shall we all start throwing paper airplanes?
Jul 23 11:47:10 [teknowcrat> let's!
Jul 23 11:47:14 [wehriam> this should have been titled "The Internet is Awesome"
Jul 23 11:47:16 [theagent> someone pull a fire alarm or something
Jul 23 11:47:18 [wseltzer_> since he doesn't have a computer to ping
Jul 23 11:47:19 [seanbonner> JoiIto: can i still throw that spitball for you?
Jul 23 11:47:42 [wehriam> "Volve: Boxy, but good."
Jul 23 11:47:48 [HeikoHebig> hi joi, didn't see you sneak in here
Jul 23 11:47:49 [wehriam> Volvo, rather.
Jul 23 11:47:53 [teknowcrat> no don't add!!!
Jul 23 11:47:57 [wseltzer_> the lack of applause is deafening
Jul 23 11:48:07 [theagent> what was the name of that 80's movie that talked about telling the truth
Jul 23 11:48:16 [HeikoHebig> back to the future?
Jul 23 11:48:18 [wehriam> Crazy People
Jul 23 11:48:18 [seanbonner> I want to start talking real loud on my cell phone "I CAN'T TALK RIGHT NOW! I'M AT A REALLY STUPID PANEL!"
Jul 23 11:48:19 [wehriam> I think
Jul 23 11:48:26 [theagent> that movie was hilarious
Jul 23 11:48:38 [teknowcrat> theagent: sex, lies, and videotape? :)
Jul 23 11:48:47 [wehriam> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099316/
Jul 23 11:48:51 [seanbonner> theagent: harry and the hendersons?
Jul 23 11:48:51 [theagent> it was Crazy People
Jul 23 11:49:11 [JPDeFillippo> Ah yeah! I used to have a prop from that movie!
Jul 23 11:49:39 [wehriam> "Porsche. It's a little too small to get laid IN it, but you get laid the minute you get out of it!"
Jul 23 11:49:41 [JPDeFillippo> Giant poster of a hot chick next to a Jaguar with the tagline "Jaguar. For men who want handjobs from women they hardly know"
Jul 23 11:49:47 [seanbonner> a quick scan of laptops in the audience shows that most people are reading some news site
Jul 23 11:49:47 [theagent> the concept was a bunch of mental patients that started writing absolutely blunt PR
Jul 23 11:50:15 [pencoyd> wrong audience, wrong audience, wrong audience
Jul 23 11:50:17 [pencoyd> oh boy
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Jul 23 11:50:32 [seanbonner> theagent: "Volvos - boxy but safe!"
Jul 23 11:50:33 [JPDeFillippo> much like th epanel. ouch
Jul 23 11:50:36 [teknowcrat> where's our disruptive strategy?
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Jul 23 11:50:47 [theagent> what?
Jul 23 11:50:49 [theagent> what?
Jul 23 11:50:53 [theagent> please....
Jul 23 11:50:54 [teknowcrat> yikes!!!
Jul 23 11:50:57 [JPDeFillippo> Wasn't it Ugly but safe?
Jul 23 11:51:02 [wehriam> Boxy but good
Jul 23 11:51:03 [wehriam> I thought
Jul 23 11:51:13 [seanbonner> my panel is up next, should I bring my laptop up to scan the back channel?
Jul 23 11:51:20 [teknowcrat> YES
Jul 23 11:51:23 [ChristopherA> Please.
Jul 23 11:51:23 [theagent> YES
Jul 23 11:51:38 [theagent> maybe you should tell the audience that there is a backchannel
Jul 23 11:51:38 [wehriam> That would be good
Jul 23 11:51:42 [seanbonner> this guy has asked a question every time
Jul 23 11:52:01 [teknowcrat> breathe in, breathe out
Jul 23 11:52:04 [theagent> my stomach is turning
Jul 23 11:52:05 [stowe> steve is cool
Jul 23 11:52:21 [seanbonner> did I mention I hate talking in front of people?
Jul 23 11:52:32 [theagent> I have two words for these clowns...."TRUST NETWORKS"
Jul 23 11:52:41 [theagent> mass media is dead
Jul 23 11:52:42 [stowe> oho. a phobia! let's pick you to pieces.
Jul 23 11:52:43 [teknowcrat> ah, but you're great at talking backchannel sean
Jul 23 11:52:46 [seanbonner> what if I only answered questions on the backchannel
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Jul 23 11:52:53 [teknowcrat> do it
Jul 23 11:53:03 [wseltzer_> seanbonnner: that would be answering more questions than many of the panelists
Jul 23 11:53:03 [stowe> cool idea
Jul 23 11:53:06 [seanbonner> I'll have the moderator read a statement for me
Jul 23 11:53:09 [teknowcrat> we can take turns reading your answers
Jul 23 11:53:16 [teknowcrat> true audience participation
Jul 23 11:53:27 [teknowcrat> would be social media like
Jul 23 11:53:27 [wehriam> seriously though, put the backchannel on the overhead
Jul 23 11:53:34 [teknowcrat> YES
Jul 23 11:53:44 [seanbonner> i'll ask if they can do it. probably wont
Jul 23 11:53:44 [theagent> inform the rest of the audience that there is a backchannel... and BTW: despite rumors to the contrary... this is not a blog
Jul 23 11:53:50 [wehriam> whatver don't even ask
Jul 23 11:53:53 [HeikoHebig> is this a fax?
Jul 23 11:53:59 [JPDeFillippo> Use your Ninja skills on this panel and just get it over with
Jul 23 11:54:03 [seanbonner> this is a press release
Jul 23 11:54:04 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: they have pp you have backchannel
Jul 23 11:54:08 [teknowcrat> make a statement
Jul 23 11:54:14 [teknowcrat> be social media
Jul 23 11:54:16 [wehriam> just hook it up then make them take it down
Jul 23 11:54:24 [theagent> lets submit the logfile of the backchannel to GoogleNews
Jul 23 11:54:30 [HeikoHebig> lol
Jul 23 11:54:33 [wehriam> as a release.
Jul 23 11:54:36 [seanbonner> i'm going to post the logfile at the break
Jul 23 11:54:38 [JPDeFillippo> Problem with putting the backchannel on the projector is that no one listens to what's being said
Jul 23 11:54:45 [seanbonner> JPDeFillippo: all the better
Jul 23 11:54:50 [teknowcrat> indeed
Jul 23 11:54:53 [seanbonner> people are full of shit anyway, I know I am.
Jul 23 11:54:56 [JPDeFillippo> Liz made some good points about this at Supernova
Jul 23 11:55:07 [wehriam> please put it up, that would be hysterical
Jul 23 11:55:09 [teknowcrat> jpdefillippo: i was on that panel
Jul 23 11:55:10 [theagent> noticed how he qualified he's a "working member" of the press... not unemployed
Jul 23 11:55:15 [teknowcrat> with liz
Jul 23 11:55:42 [stowe> "death by television"
Jul 23 11:55:42 [wehriam> harsh
Jul 23 11:55:44 [HeikoHebig> he is an embedded journalist
Jul 23 11:55:52 [theagent> I've been eating lots of fiber, so not really full of shit right now
Jul 23 11:56:10 [wehriam> is anyone from Gawker here?
Jul 23 11:56:18 [JPDeFillippo> teknowcrat: at least it seems their backchannel is working unlike ours was :-)
Jul 23 11:56:34 [JPDeFillippo> Grumpy Old Men
Jul 23 11:56:38 [teknowcrat> lol
Jul 23 11:56:46 [theagent> I think Buzz is in my LinkedIn contacts... ;-)
Jul 23 11:56:55 [teknowcrat> buzz is the only one i want to hear on this panel
Jul 23 11:56:57 [seanbonner> these four guys have a collective age of 2,000
Jul 23 11:57:02 [JPDeFillippo> LOL!
Jul 23 11:57:03 [teknowcrat> please stop describing him
Jul 23 11:57:14 [JPDeFillippo> harhar
Jul 23 11:57:17 [andymatic> holy crap - that's funny
Jul 23 11:57:20 [HeikoHebig> maybe this guy is in orkut
Jul 23 11:57:33 [theagent> oh... Activewords
Jul 23 11:57:37 [theagent> funny....
Jul 23 11:57:48 [theagent> spell checker
Jul 23 11:57:52 [JPDeFillippo> Buzz has a pulse
Jul 23 11:58:03 [seanbonner> first one.
Jul 23 11:58:06 [theagent> explains a lot
Jul 23 11:58:11 [seanbonner> seems to have an idea whats up.
Jul 23 11:58:12 [teknowcrat> indeed
Jul 23 11:58:19 [teknowcrat> he does
Jul 23 11:58:22 [pencoyd> name dropper
Jul 23 11:58:24 [HeikoHebig> cluetrain, that's new
Jul 23 11:58:35 [HeikoHebig> is weinberger in the audience?
Jul 23 11:58:36 [JPDeFillippo> but he didn't harp on it.
Jul 23 11:58:40 [stowe> "all businesses are best considered as a network of conversations." Gregory Bateson 1964
Jul 23 11:58:45 [seanbonner> he's the first one on the panel who has said the word "blog"
Jul 23 11:59:00 [JPDeFillippo> We need Cluetrain 2: Blogger Boogaloo.
Jul 23 11:59:06 [stowe> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004W543.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Jul 23 11:59:16 [seanbonner> who are the smart bloggers?
Jul 23 11:59:23 [theagent> don't even try bashing apple...
Jul 23 11:59:27 [JPDeFillippo> Everyone on Livejournal
Jul 23 11:59:33 [seanbonner> so the smart bloggers are suckers?
Jul 23 11:59:33 [HeikoHebig> really smart bloggers? here in irc :)=
Jul 23 11:59:55 [seanbonner> the really smart bloggers are sheep?
Jul 23 11:59:58 [JPDeFillippo> I used to write about his product. I said why doesn'tt this shit work on Mac.
Jul 23 12:00:05 [pencoyd> May 1964 - The Computers of Tomorrow http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/flashbks/computer/greenbf.htm
Jul 23 12:00:08 [theagent> hold on... gonna go look up ActiveWords on Techorati
Jul 23 12:00:31 [theagent> get off the fucking Mac users...
Jul 23 12:00:48 [seanbonner> dude next to me just ordered the cluetrain manifesto on amazon
Jul 23 12:01:02 [HeikoHebig> digital goody bag?
Jul 23 12:01:02 [JPDeFillippo> Ah shit! No more vid
Jul 23 12:01:02 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: don't malign sheep please
Jul 23 12:01:02 [theagent> hahah
Jul 23 12:01:07 [JPDeFillippo> BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Out him on your panel!
Jul 23 12:01:14 [wehriam> don't malign Livejournal either.
Jul 23 12:01:14 [JPDeFillippo> Spot the newb
Jul 23 12:01:28 [theagent> next he'll be asking for how your spell "searls"
Jul 23 12:01:34 [HeikoHebig> lol
Jul 23 12:01:34 [JPDeFillippo> RarelyLiveJournal
Jul 23 12:01:43 [seanbonner> uh, is that Dr. Searls?
Jul 23 12:02:00 [JPDeFillippo> Dude! Coffee. Out. Noce.
Jul 23 12:02:00 [teknowcrat> doc
Jul 23 12:02:07 [pencoyd> As We May Think - 1945... and still revolutionary http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/flashbks/computer/bushf.htm
Jul 23 12:02:16 [stowe> the memex!
Jul 23 12:02:26 [HeikoHebig> can he talk for hours?
Jul 23 12:02:35 [JPDeFillippo> He's discovered the Microphone!
Jul 23 12:02:36 [stowe> covoq?
Jul 23 12:02:40 [stowe> Convoq!
Jul 23 12:02:56 [theagent> has he discovered FAX?
Jul 23 12:02:58 [wehriam> No.
Jul 23 12:03:01 [seanbonner> maybe my panel will get shortened to 5 minutes
Jul 23 12:03:13 [JPDeFillippo> but watch out for the press release next month in the Washington Post
Jul 23 12:03:18 [HeikoHebig> so the message is: blogs are cool
Jul 23 12:03:22 [theagent> this is all about him selling his product
Jul 23 12:03:28 [stowe> not another story!
Jul 23 12:03:29 [teknowcrat> hey sean, you have a great lineup on your panel
Jul 23 12:03:40 [seanbonner> teknowcrat: i
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Sean Bonner, Bode Media Inc.
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Chris Tolles, Topix.net
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Mark Pincus, Tribe
Jul 23 12:03:40 [teknowcrat> Craig Newmark, Craig's List
Jul 23 12:03:50 [wehriam> and backchannel
Jul 23 12:03:56 [HeikoHebig> "i believe in blogs" is a nice quote
Jul 23 12:04:00 [seanbonner> I'm looking foorward to it, but it's supposed to be 30 minutes, don't know how much we can cover.
Jul 23 12:04:08 [stowe> blogs are not an answer to information explosion
Jul 23 12:04:09 [JPDeFillippo> I belive in Scotch
Jul 23 12:04:15 [stowe> the information age is dead
Jul 23 12:04:21 [seanbonner> I'll try to get backchannel added as a 5th panelist
Jul 23 12:04:29 [teknowcrat> scotch is an answer to information explosion?
Jul 23 12:04:30 [theagent> Vodka for me
Jul 23 12:04:31 [stowe> we are in the post-everything economy
Jul 23 12:04:43 [seanbonner> stowe: everything is so yesterday
Jul 23 12:04:46 [HeikoHebig> RSS
Jul 23 12:04:46 --> xian (~xian@haas-wlan-43.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 12:04:50 [teknowcrat> stowe: post post?
Jul 23 12:04:54 [JPDeFillippo> How many people are actually there? What's the attendance?
Jul 23 12:04:57 [stowe> yeah
Jul 23 12:05:04 [stowe> 300
Jul 23 12:05:05 [theagent> its gonna be about "machine readable" dumbass
Jul 23 12:05:14 --- browser :Unknown command
Jul 23 12:05:18 [JPDeFillippo> 300 there and only 28 in the backchannel and most of us are remote
Jul 23 12:05:30 [JPDeFillippo> Break a leg guys
Jul 23 12:05:34 [theagent> turning attention to the backchannel
Jul 23 12:05:49 [theagent> [-- raises hand
Jul 23 12:05:52 [wehriam> sweet
Jul 23 12:05:56 [rkrato> I am!
Jul 23 12:05:57 [HeikoHebig> install an IRC client then
Jul 23 12:06:00 [stowe> uh-oh
Jul 23 12:06:03 [rvr> Mozilla :)
Jul 23 12:06:07 [wehriam> oh dear
Jul 23 12:06:08 [theagent> pull up a web based irc client
Jul 23 12:06:08 [stowe> make you bed
Jul 23 12:06:13 [xian> get ready who's, to shout "we are here we are here"
Jul 23 12:06:28 [stowe> brush your teeth, your Aunt and Uncle are coming over
Jul 23 12:06:32 * HeikoHebig shaves
Jul 23 12:06:58 [theagent> question from the audience... "What is a backchannel"
Jul 23 12:06:58 --> JerryM (~JerryM@haas-wlan-151.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 12:06:58 * xian depilates
Jul 23 12:06:58 * stowe pulls on his pants
Jul 23 12:06:58 [HeikoHebig> lol
Jul 23 12:06:58 [theagent> I thought it was a blog
Jul 23 12:07:03 [JPDeFillippo> Play some keystone cops music while they figure this out
Jul 23 12:07:03 [pencoyd> boo
Jul 23 12:07:08 [wehriam> damn, all dressed up and no place to go.
Jul 23 12:07:22 [HeikoHebig> did the audio stop?
Jul 23 12:07:35 [HeikoHebig> ah
Jul 23 12:07:42 [JerryM> heiko, are you at BlogOn?
Jul 23 12:07:43 [teknowcrat> xian: depilitates?
Jul 23 12:07:48 --> netweaver (~Snak@haas-wlan-3.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 12:07:51 [xian> the machine up there has no browser-based wiki?
Jul 23 12:07:51 [JerryM> I love your list of aggregators
Jul 23 12:07:53 * HeikoHebig is in Germany
Jul 23 12:07:54 [xian> debilitates, yes
Jul 23 12:07:58 * stowe takes his pants back off
Jul 23 12:08:01 [JerryM> schade
Jul 23 12:08:10 [HeikoHebig> jerry: thanks, but that's hAiko hebig, not me
Jul 23 12:08:13 [theagent> just lost the stream
Jul 23 12:08:16 [theagent> great
Jul 23 12:08:17 [JPDeFillippo> damn, there goes the vid again
Jul 23 12:08:24 [JerryM> ah, rats!
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Jul 23 12:08:29 [HeikoHebig> haiko hebig and heiko hebig are 2 different guys ,)
Jul 23 12:08:42 [JerryM> there's a picture with both of you on the Web, right?
Jul 23 12:08:43 [xian> what about hiiko hebig?
Jul 23 12:08:46 [JPDeFillippo> How can we effectively mock the panel with no video?
Jul 23 12:08:47 [HeikoHebig> that's right
Jul 23 12:09:27 [theagent> why is the stream puking now..?
Jul 23 12:09:40 [pencoyd> did they stream last night?
Jul 23 12:09:45 [wehriam> this guy should get the nobel prize.
Jul 23 12:09:51 [theagent> this SUX
Jul 23 12:09:54 [stowe> I have been dropped a few times from the wireless too
Jul 23 12:10:04 [pencoyd> wireless is definitely spotty here
Jul 23 12:10:08 [teknowcrat> JPDeFillippo: we can stage a smart mob from the audience
Jul 23 12:10:12 [pencoyd> but we're stress testing it
Jul 23 12:10:24 [JPDeFillippo> heh
Jul 23 12:10:26 [pencoyd> good philosophy
Jul 23 12:10:32 [stowe> "life is unfair" - JFK
Jul 23 12:10:37 [pencoyd> life isn't fair, but try and make it a little more fair
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Jul 23 12:10:45 [teknowcrat> is true, i interviewed craig
Jul 23 12:10:49 [-- andymatic (~andymatic@adsl-65-42-86-214.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) has left #blogon
Jul 23 12:10:49 [teknowcrat> for the ss weblog
Jul 23 12:10:56 [theagent> bah..... fix the freaking stream
Jul 23 12:11:05 [teknowcrat> and he was doing cust svc whilst speaking
Jul 23 12:11:19 [JPDeFillippo> I think Sean must have cut the fiber so I couldn't mock effectively.
Jul 23 12:11:24 [pencoyd> Who is Helen Thomas?
Jul 23 12:11:34 [teknowcrat> ?
Jul 23 12:11:37 [JPDeFillippo> Ah, I jumped my conn speed pref way down and it works pretty well now
Jul 23 12:11:51 [theagent> finally it's back
Jul 23 12:11:55 [JerryM> Helen Thomas is the senior White House correspondent. Has been around forever. How'd she come up?
Jul 23 12:12:08 [JPDeFillippo> Doh!
Jul 23 12:12:09 [teknowcrat> craig mentioned her
Jul 23 12:12:15 [theagent> Helen Thomas is a professional heckler stationed at the White House
Jul 23 12:12:25 [pencoyd> Craig gave her a shout
Jul 23 12:12:30 [theagent> she also has a fax
Jul 23 12:12:40 [stowe> http://slate.msn.com/id/2080034/
Jul 23 12:12:51 [theagent> stream just dropped again.......
Jul 23 12:12:53 [theagent> damn
Jul 23 12:12:53 [JerryM> I'm IMing with a friend who's telling me that the video feed just flaked, paying attention to the IRC, helping Francis in the next seat get on IRC, so I completely missed what Craig said on the panel :(
Jul 23 12:13:23 [stowe> he was well modulated
Jul 23 12:13:24 [HeikoHebig> my audio went dead
Jul 23 12:13:27 [teknowcrat> jerrym: heath rowe probably got it all
Jul 23 12:13:28 [theagent> I've missed most of what Craig said... the stream failed badly
Jul 23 12:13:34 [JPDeFillippo> stream is fubar
Jul 23 12:13:37 [GregGersh> my everything went dead :(
Jul 23 12:13:44 [JerryM> heath is approaching verbatim speeds, isn't he?
Jul 23 12:13:47 [theagent> its going in and out
Jul 23 12:13:51 [-- netweaver has quit ("Oops. This machine just fell asleep")
Jul 23 12:13:55 [teknowcrat> indeed
Jul 23 12:14:01 [stowe> mark is talking about what I can "attention strategy"
Jul 23 12:14:14 [JPDeFillippo> is there going to be an archive of this vid anywhere? We can retro-heckle
Jul 23 12:14:20 --> Howard (~chatzilla@GREENSTEIN-LAPTOP.MTC.SCPS.NYU.EDU) has joined #blogon
Jul 23 12:14:31 [stowe> metrosexuals
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Jul 23 12:14:44 [JerryM> hey, howard!
Jul 23 12:14:50 [HeikoHebig> bloggers are single?
Jul 23 12:14:52 [theagent> the stream has stabilized
Jul 23 12:14:55 [Howard> Hey Jerry, hi from NYU
Jul 23 12:15:10 [Howard> the streaming is still flakey at this side of the world
Jul 23 12:15:16 [stowe> which howard is that?
Jul 23 12:15:21 [JerryM> Greenstein
Jul 23 12:15:21 [rkrato> It's flakey in FL
Jul 23 12:15:27 [theagent> a conference wiki can be found @ http://www.socialtext.net/blogon/index.cgi
Jul 23 12:16:01 [stowe> oh
Jul 23 12:16:01 [tedr> I like Mak, but he should go to burningman.com boards
Jul 23 12:16:01 [Howard> howard.greenstein@nyu
Jul 23 12:16:01 [tedr> Mak = Mark
Jul 23 12:16:09 [theagent> he partnered with a talking car?
Jul 23 12:16:10 [JerryM> does Pinkus grok what's going on here?
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Jul 23 12:16:19 [JPDeFillippo> Is anyone photo documenting this con?
Jul 23 12:16:59 [pencoyd> the amazing part about this conf so far is how hard it is, with all these bloggers and tools, to actually round it all up
Jul 23 12:17:00 [stowe> am i still here?
Jul 23 12:17:06 [pencoyd> so far, Feedster is doing a better job than Technorait
Jul 23 12:17:12 [pencoyd> Technorati
Jul 23 12:17:31 [teknowcrat> stowe: you are
Jul 23 12:17:35 [wehriam> m. haughey was running around with a digital rebel yesterday
Jul 23 12:17:37 [netweaver> multiple logins for everything are part of the problem - where is persistant identity?
Jul 23 12:17:38 [JPDeFillippo> Supernova did a good job of rounding everyone up BEFORE the con started so we were all in one place
Jul 23 12:17:44 [tedr> I can see your hat Stowe
Jul 23 12:17:48 [JPDeFillippo> and you could easily find who was writing what
Jul 23 12:17:50 [teknowcrat> pencoyd: but none are consistent enuf
Jul 23 12:18:08 [HeikoHebig> speak up, please
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> WOOOT!
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> Werd to my homie!
Jul 23 12:25:32 [tedr> netweaver: you can hate me if you want, but single login will never come in capitalist society w/ public implementation
Jul 23 12:25:32 [-- mikesigal has quit (Connection timed out)
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> And the stream goes dead
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> ...
Jul 23 12:25:32 [Howard> and the stream is back and gone
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> yep... the stream dropped again
Jul 23 12:25:32 [Howard> I'm seeing crazy pixelated susan mernit. Hi susan
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> great
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> right when Sean gets up
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> it's totally dead
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> SUX
Jul 23 12:25:32 [JPDeFillippo> what is he talking about? Anyone? Bueller?
Jul 23 12:25:32 [theagent> seanbonner, if you're reading this... don't say a word till the stream comes back
Jul 23 12:25:33 [Howard> QT seems to favor video over audio - the video continues when audio gives out. weird
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> timeout now
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> finally getting an error message
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> Ok, well the gods of the backchannel have spoken
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> I wonder what server they're using to serve up this stream
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> crackerjack box and a 9volt battery from the looks of it
Jul 23 12:25:33 [-- scobleizer has quit ()
Jul 23 12:25:33 [Howard> its back
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> mine is still dead
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> still hung for me. Blew up on changing transports
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> quicktime can't connect
Jul 23 12:25:33 [HeikoHebig> totally dead here
Jul 23 12:25:33 [GregGersh> I got nothing...
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> there it is
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> ok... finally back here too
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> spoke too soon
Jul 23 12:25:33 [teknowcrat> sean is not looking at his laptop
Jul 23 12:25:33 [teknowcrat> he's done speaking already
Jul 23 12:25:33 [teknowcrat> seanbonner: recap for the channel
Jul 23 12:25:33 [JPDeFillippo> ah screw it
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> rank... this is just rank
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> "note to self": If promoting a webcast... invest in decent service
Jul 23 12:25:33 [GregGersh> I can't even load the berkeley page...it might be a problem with the University's stuff.
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> are the guys running this at the conference even aware there is a major problem?
Jul 23 12:25:33 [-- teknowcrat has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
Jul 23 12:25:33 [theagent> someone bootleg an audio stream from within the conference
Jul 23 12:25:44 [GregGersh> unless they're on here...probably not.
Jul 23 12:25:45 [-- pencoyd has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
Jul 23 12:25:45 [-- tedr has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
Jul 23 12:26:37 [JoiIto> why does every conference have crappy streaming except crappy conferences?
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Jul 23 12:26:47 [theagent> great question
Jul 23 12:27:00 [pencoyd> network returns
Jul 23 12:27:08 [GregGersh> is anyone on the channel in the conference?
Ju

BLOGON: network

something keeps dropping here.

BLOGON: controlling your representation

Danah is asking about a friend who was concerned because someone put up their image and bio on gay.com, and had then set up dates, etc... and this person was very concerned about it, how do you control your identity? I'm not sure this is a *new* problem, it's just a new medium. People have done things like that forever, in college we used to post "guitar for sale" ads on walls and list the phone number of friends who had just saved up and gotten a brand new guitar they were in love with. I think people just need to say "that wasn't me" and move on.

BLOGON: #blogon

people are showing up in irc.freenet #blogon now so if you want the back channel, that's it.

BLOGON: Where's the Cash??

It seems like the question of the day (or the event) is "what's the business model?" Which I guess is to be expected. I think the thing that anyone *outside* of this space isn't going to get is that unlike a job or something along those lines, people blog because they like it - because it's fun. From the business side there's little overhead and a lot of people are making money from it - but the goals right now with many of these companies is setting up something cool, something valuable, then worry about the money later. That's not something people could do in a lot of other worlds so the ability to build first is something a lot of people are taking advantage of.

BLOGON: how and where?

Reid from LinkedIn is in the Panel and just spoke a little about it, and then Ross turned to Dan Gilmore about how things are different around the world. He mentioned the mass broadband and cam phones in Asia, 2 and 3 megapixels are very common but how Blogging seems to be more popular in the US than elsewhere.

BLOGON: the format

I'm going to skip the play by play since it looks like the room is full of people doing that. I am going to be posting pics to my moblog as I take them, as well as commentary in and out.

Ross M just introduced the first panel and since there's not a ton of time of these the format seems to be the moderator starting it off with a question or two and then handing it over to the audience for questions.

BLOGON: Camera dude is a prick

There's some complete jerk off running a camera a few seats from me who is acting like a massive ass. Get over yourself loser.

BLOGON: Friday Morning

Just got into the auditorium where most of the events of the day are going to take place and there's a frightening lack of power. Looks like maybe two or three available sockets for the entire room. The general rule at conferences is ABC, Always Be Charging - but that's looking like a speedbump at the moment. I brought a powerstrip AND an extension cord but right now the problem looks like getting anywhere near the power source to jack in. Looks like this is all going to kick off before too long. Back in a bit.

Just Broke 200 Sources!

Yes, I'm totally patting myself on the back, but at least I'm admitting it.

BLOGON: Thursday Night

So we got in just in time to hear that Jay Allen won some kind of Moveable Type award which is pretty cool, the room was *very* hot and packed so pretty quickly I ducked out side and tried to listen in through the open doors. It's pretty amazing how many people I recognize here, or at least recognize their names. Being that it's a pretty small crowd, it looks like there's a high percentage of people who are "doing something." It's always nice to meet people in person who you've talked with online for a while, as well as connect with people you have met before but never see since they live in some other corner of the world. I'm actually staying at the place where the event's today took place, which is about a block from where the ones tomorrow will be I think. There's a grip of wifi in the lobby, looks like about 3-4 access points but the signal is too weak in the room to actually do anything - so yeah, I'm hanging out in the lobby. Tomorrow promises to be action packed (or something) so I'll report back at some point in the AM.

Now I'm off to read the 145 e-mails and 1200+ rss stories that have piled up during the day.

Banned in DC

...or not. As of this morning (I was on the freeway and missed the big announcement) DC.METBLOGS.COM is live. Go say Hi to the capitol city kids.

BLOGON: Just Got in

6 hours on the road, just got into the hotel / conference - there is wifi. More soon.

Facing the WTC

Russell Simmons owns a loft facing ground zero. Since 9/11 there's been extremely limited access to the building, but this morning our good friend, photographer Glen E. Friedman get in for a few minutes to make a statement which will be up through the RNC. Here's a bunch of pictures from inside and out.

BONUS: Here's some quicktime VR footage from ground zero 10 days after 9/11 that clearly shows Russell's building.

UPDATE: Welcome Freepers! Please post nasty comments on my site! There's some people who think you might *not* be good at taking orders! But you'll show them!! Just keep telling yourself "FREE PUBLIC says we must post here... therefore we must post here."

EVEN MORE UPDATES: Thanks for the traffic uber-right-wing-d00ds! My Google PageRank hearts you! Please, tell all your friends to come here too!

PS: Extra! Extra! Read All About It! Al Qaeda loves Bush!

BLOGON: technorati

Of course, you can also keep up with what other bloggers are saying about the event with this technorati link.

Headed to BlogOn

I'm wrapping things up in LA tonight and headed out to BlogOn 2004 tomorrow morning. I'm driving up with friends and flying back to LA on Saturday. As I mentioned before I'm speaking on a panel about local blogs on Friday. The conference is sold out so hopefully if you were interested in going you registered in time, but if not you know the backchannel will be lively. I'll also be blogging the event here so look for subjects that start with "BLOGON:" I even bought a stupid little mouse to use on my laptop to try to keep off the trackpad/carpel tunnel death ache. Good times.

William Shatner Covers Pulp

Stereogum has a link to William Shatner singing "Common People" by Pulp. Available in WMV or MOV format. Somone please convert this to MP3! About 6 people sent me this, I'll put it up later. Thanks Michael, Eric, etc...

The Details of the Cheney vs. Leahy Showdown

Thanks to the New Yorker for finally printing the details of the horrific exchange:

“Oh, it’s like that?” Mr. Cheney queried.

“Whut? Whut?” Mr. Leahy shot back.

“Once again,” Mr. Cheney replied (quite obviously quoting a lyric from Ice Cube’s 1990 album, “AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted”), “it’s on.”

As a quick-thinking senatorial aide switched on the Senate’s public-address system and cued up the infamous “Seven Minutes of Funk” break, Mr. Leahy and Mr. Cheney went head-to-head in what can only be described as a “take no prisoners” freestyle rap battle.

Most of the rhymes kicked therein cannot be quoted in a family publication, but observers gave Mr. Cheney credit for his deceptively laid-back flow. Mr. Leahy was applauded for managing to rhyme the phrases “unethical for certain,” “crude oil spurtin’,” and “like Halliburton.”

Al Qaeda Hearts Bush

Aaron Swartz drops some science on those who would have you believe that a vote for Kerry is a vote for Al Qaeda:

The argument of Bush fans seems to be this: I like Bush. I don’t like bin Laden. Therefore bin Laden must not like Bush. But the objective facts seem to paint a different story: al-Qaeda loves Bush.

al-Qaeda Says So: As Reuters reported an letter from an al-Qaeda group said “it supported U.S. President George W. Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader ‘more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom. … Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilisation. … Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected.’ It seems pretty clear this isn’t reverse psychology.

Experts Say So: Anonymous, a top CIA expert on al-Qaeda, has concluded that al-Qaeda loves President Bush, and might go so far as to plan an election attack to rally the country around Bush.
“I’m very sure they can’t have a better administration for them than the one they have now. … One way to keep the Republicans in power is to mount an attack that would rally the country around the president.” This isn’t partisanship, because Anonymous is even more hawkish than Bush is.

Facts Say So: Even administration officials concede “al-Qaeda has morphed into a loose and expanding association of regional terror cells [and] the Iraq war has fueled rather than doused the fires of jihad.” Furthermore, Bush let bin Laden escape while he’s left the US dangerously insecure.

And in the New York Times, Krugman echos:

Last week, Republican officials in Kentucky applauded bumper stickers distributed at G.O.P. offices that read, "Kerry is bin Laden's man/Bush is mine." Administration officials haven't gone that far, but when Tom Ridge offered a specifics-free warning about a terrorist attack timed to "disrupt our democratic process," many people thought he was implying that Al Qaeda wants George Bush to lose. In reality, all infidels probably look alike to the terrorists, but if they do have a preference, nothing in Mr. Bush's record would make them unhappy at the prospect of four more years.

Hello Vienna!

The Vienna Metblog Posse got together for many fine beers and produced what I think is the first team portrait outside of LA. Hey dudes!

Jon Stewert: Repetition = Fact

[Thanks to undernews for this amazing Daily Show transcript]

CNN: "This is 28 pages from the Republican National Committee. It says, 'Who is Edwards? It starts off by saying a disingenuous, unaccomplished liberal.' We also saw from the Bush-Cheney camp they released talking points to their supporters."

JON STEWART: "Talking points. That's how we learn things. But how will I absorb a talking point like 'Edwards and Kerry are out of the mainstream' unless I get it jack hammered into my skull? That's where television lends a hand."

FOX NEWS: "He stands way out of the main stream."
CNN – Terry Holt, Spokesman for Bush Camp: " way out of the main stream."
CNN – Communication Director, Bush-Cheney: "He stands so far out of the main stream."
CNN – Lynn Cheney: "He's so out of the main stream."
CNN Terry Holt: "they're out of the main stream."
CNN –Frank Donatelli, GOP Strategist: " . . . well out of the main stream.

JON STEWART: I'm getting a feeling. I think, I think they're out of the main stream. But, what if I wonder why?

CNN – Frank Donatelli: " two of the foremost liberal senators of the US Senate." CNN – Crossfire: . . ." two of the foremost liberal senators of the US Senate." MSNBC – Ed Gillespie: . . ." the most liberal rated senator in the US Senate." HARDBALL – Lynn Cheney: " . . . the most liberal senator of the Senate." FOX NEWS: " . . . who was rated as the number 1 liberal in the US Senate." FOX NEWS – Elizabeth Dole: . . ." the number 1 most liberal senator in the US Senate."

JON STEWART: Wow! Those guys are liberals!! In fact, if I didn't know better, I'd say they're the first and fourth most liberal in the whole Senate. Wow! And while we don't have any idea what that means and where those rankings come from and how they were arrived at or whether it's even true, I don't like the sounds of it. And it's certainly not something for the media to question. As a matter of fact, I would imagine people like that, liberal and out of the main stream, hang out in some pretty extreme places.

ABC –This Week – Lindsey Graham: " talking about the hate fest." CNN: "Hollywood hate fest." FOX NEWS: ". . . last Thursday night's hate fest." PAT BOONE: " Radio City Music Hall hate fest.

JON STEWART: "Yeah. See, out of the main stream, liberals, and hate fest. Keeping up with current events is easier than you thing. Talking points: they're true because they're said a lot."

Blogenstein

A new OPML search engine, er rank engine. Blogenstein tells you how many people are subscribed to various RSS feeds, as well as lists the top 100 subscribed to feeds. Kind of share your OPML but it's not as public, that is, you can't look up what feeds a person subscribes to, but you can see if they subscribe to specific feed. However, it looks like only 300 or so people have sent in their OPML files so yeah.. not TONS of data there yet.

Cartoon Violence

I'm really bummed that I missed Jon Haddock's exhibition at cherrydelosreyes. Caryn and I usually try to see everything they show but some how this one slipped past us. I just found out about his prints and sculptures from Waxy's Links and I'm totally blown away. He's even got a blog.

Bloggers aren't Journalists... Really?

Alex Jones just wrote a piece in the LA Times called "Bloggers Are the Sizzle, Not the Steak." It's the same thing we've heard a million times:

"But make no mistake, this moment of blogging legitimization — and temporary press credentials — doesn't turn bloggers into journalists."

Let me ask a question, when was the last time you heard a group of sitcom actors speaking out against talk show hosts? Chanting "just because they are on TV doesn't mean they are Actors!" Or a bunch rock bands making press statements that DJs, while they are in fact broadcast over the radio, are not in fact rock bands. Oh? Never? Maybe because that's about how stupid this sounds.

Attention all Journalists - Bloggers are NOT trying to be journalists. They are trying to be bloggers. Journalism is not blogging, blogging is not journalism. They are two different things, and reading this same drivel day after day is starting to make all these journalists sound like a bunch of insecure cry babies. Both have their own set of merits, and everyone has their own opinion as to which has more value. Blogs are getting attention because they are just that, blogs. Stop patting yourself on the back by assuming someone else is trying to be you, they aren't.

Alex goes on to say:

"With the status conferred by convention credentials, blogging has arrived as an engaging, important new player in the information carnival. But should blogging displace traditional reporting and journalism, as some in the blogosphere predict it will, then the steak will have been swapped for the sizzle. It's better to have both."

Really? Who? I know some of the most influential people in the blogosphere, some of the most well read bloggers, some of the biggest blogging advocates and none of them think that blogging will "displace traditional reporting and journalism." In fact, the only people I've ever heard say this are journalists. Do you guys know something we don't?

What it will do is put journalists in check. No more free rides, there are other sources with the info now so it's up to the journalists to stay relevant. They need to put in the effort to give us a reason to stay tuned. Maybe get back to real journalism. Take a stand on something, find the backbone that used to make journalism a respectable profession. Because until then, blogs are going to be more than happy to pick up the slack.

[Want to hear what other bloggers think? Check the this, this and this.]

Rad! Metblogs Gets Ink!

The San Francisco Chronicle has a story on Metroblogging!

This Land...

...has been linked by every damn person on the internet so far.

Google Tricks

This is an old one, but I thought it was kind of interesting to see what sites Google thought were related to seanbonner.com.

You can also see who is linking to you, for example Google says SBDC has 1,010 inbound links while Technorati only shows 213.

And now... The Split!

Glenn and Matt are both talking about Ramesh Ponnuru's article in the New York Times. Specifically, this line:

There is a serious possibility that the libertarian wing of the conservative movement goes off in its own direction, either breaking off or allying with the Democrats."

Glenn agrees:

"The Democratic party, in its current configuration, is in decline. But the split between libertarians and social conservatives is likely to determine the shape of politics over the next decades."

Matt says

"...this intra-mural spat within a (numerically speaking) minor movement wouldn't be worth mentioning at all, except that I think it will be one of the four or five deciding factors that will tip the election to Kerry."

They both link to a round of rebuttals but you can probably guess what those say. I have to say that I also agree with this. I think one of the big problem the Democrats have had recently is they don't they don't pick one thing and run with it. Two democrats can have very different views on any number of issues and therefor support different candidates splitting the vote. Meanwhile the Republicans have always been good at rallying behind the one candidate. All personal views aside, they pick the one guy for their team and put all their support there. Unifying the vote. That's not a new observation by any means, but the further the Republicans keep going to the right the harder it's going to be for some of them to get behind the candidates. And this is a perfect example of it. I know people who have been Republicans their entire lives but because of the growing religious / ultra-conservative views of much of the outspoken side of the party are finding it hard to relate. One friend told me the other day while he still considers himself a Republican he has all but stopped saying that in public because people instantly assume he's anti-abortion and pro-jesus, of which he's neither.

The fact that the Marriage Ammendment crapped out is just more ammo for these guys as well. It's proof that the people who hold those extreme views are NOT in the majority and hopefully it will help some of the more socially-liberal Republicans get the clue.

Why Are We There Again?

Jason DeFillippo says Bush must go now:

"I just got off the phone with my Mom. We talked for an hour and a half and she told me about her friends that have sons over in Iraq right now that aren't getting enough supplies and food and are feeling like we abandoned them. I'm getting information this week about where we can send food and supplies to our troops over there who need them and will post information here as I get it. I will also set up a new website for the effort. We need to help them. They don't want to be there. The letter specifically talked about having to treat children as just as much a threat as adults and it's just wrong. So I hope that anyone reading this will help. Our government has hung these kids out to dry and I hope that you'll lend a hand. Some of these people aren't just kids. One of them is in his 40's and a reservist that had a week and a half left in his term and was called into emergency duty and forced to go back. If you think that Bush is a good president and should be re-elected please don't come back to this website. I don't want your traffic until you see what is really going on. Seriously. Go read a newspaper and get a clue."

This echos things (the unhappy soldiers part, not the website part) I've heard from friends who have family and friends in Iraq. From Photojournalists I know who are working in Iraq. But is completely opposite the things that keep being reported here in the US. People like US Senators who have no family in the military are telling a very different story. It's amazing how perspective changes when it's not happening to you.

New Abu Ghraib Details

"The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges." - Senator Lindsay Graham(R)

There's some very disturbing information starting to come to light (New shit has come to light man!) about Abu Ghraib, the extent of things that reallly went on there, and that the Pentagon has known about it for some time. There's reports of videos showing children being sodomized. If this turns out to be legit, someone is going to have answer for it. Who might that be? Wesley Clark has some ideas:

Wesley Clark: The responsibility of Abu Ghraib does not lie in the men and women in the armed forces. It lies in with the commander and chief.

Q: Why isn't the administration being held accountable for this?

Wesley Clark: They will be held accountable in the elections.

They Found Bobby Fischer

TOKYO July 16, 2004 — Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer, wanted since 1992 for playing a tournament in Yugoslavia despite U.N. sanctions, was detained in Japan for an apparent passport violation and will be deported to the United States, media reports said.

ABC News has the full story include some interesting background if you don't know the scoop, but I'm guessing he decided it was time to get caught.

DEADWOOD is the best fucking show on television

...and the fact that Ian McShane didn't get an emmy nomination for his role as Al Swearengen is fucking atrocious.

Cocksuckers.

Kerry & Edwards didn't vote

Good thing the two guys who are trying to lead the country didn't even have the balls to go on record and vote for/against the marriage ammendment. In fact, they were THE ONLY TWO senators who didn't vote.

Hey Democrats! Thanks so much for picking people with integrity that voters might actually want to support. So far the *only* thing Kerry has going for him is that he isn't Bush.

How inspiring.

Here comes the P910

There's been lots of hype surrounding the follow up to Sony Ericsson's P900, and as of today it's been announced. Rumors and pics have been around for months and the big question has been "How could anyone even think of using that keyboard?" Well, Mobile-Review got ahold of one (Can someone please tell me how they did that? SE wouldn't even admit the thing existed until today?1) and it seems that the hinge down there is very strong and you can actually hold the phone by the keyboard, which turns a virtually useless keyboard into a very useful one indeed. This has built-in Bluetooth so it's still got a leg up on the Treo600, but with any luck they will announce the ever secretive Treo610 (with Bluetooth, and pretty please wi-fi!) any day now.

I'll be at BlogOn

Looks like I'l be in Oakland July 22-23rd for the BlogOn 2004 Conference. I'll be sitting on the Local Media Gets Blogged panel with Chris Tolles, Topix.net; Mark Pincus, Tribe; and Craig Newmark, Craig's List talking about Metblogs and how they and other city-based blogs are impacting issues on a local level.

If you are going to be around, you should swing by and check it out for sure - and if you are a blogger, even better as they are offering a pretty nice discount for that. Check out the registration page for the scoop.

An Open Letter to Sen. John McCain

Note: I didn't write this, it was e-mailed to me by a friend and it's full of questions I'd like to hear the answers to as well. I thought more people would see it here than if I just forwarded it on. -sean

My wife and I aren't your constituents, but we are hoping you will agree to answer our honest questions. We are afraid your minions will never show you this letter, so we will wait a week or so. If there is no response, we will invest our hard-earned money by placing this letter as an ad in appropriate newspapers hoping to get your attention.

That will be a considerable investment for us. We are just ordinary people who are neither rich nor involved in politics. But, we have grave concerns about the future of our democracy. The truth is that we were distraught to see you apparently cave in to the Bush administration. We are wondering what it took for you to sell your soul?

What could you have possibly said to your wife and children? Have your forgiven George Bush for his racist attacks on your family during the primary campaign in South Carolina? Have you forgotten that Bush said he thought flying the Confederate flag over the state capital was a local issue? Do you agree with him that the Civil War was about states rights rather than the right of some people to enslave other human beings?

What do you say to fellow veterans and the families of those who died in Vietnam? Do you doubt that Bush used his family's influence to avoid the draft? Is it okay with you that he got out of flying in the national guard by working for political candidate running an anti-civil rights campaign in Alabama? Do you think a worker's son had that option?

How do you feel about the people around Bush who were cozy with Sadam Hussein before he invaded Kuwait? How many of them looked the other way when Hussein was gassing his own people? How did you feel when they let Hussein's army leave Kuwait with their tanks and airplanes intact? What did you think when they betrayed our former allies in Iraq and stood by while tens of thousands of people were massacred?

What is your opinion of Dick Cheney and the role he played at Halliburton? Do believe the loopholes which enable Halliburton to avoid paying taxes are fair? Is it true that Halliburton used a loophole to avoid a law which bans U.S. companies from doing business with terrorist states? How do you feel about the secret, uncontested contracts given to Halliburton and other Bush corporate allies? Do you agree that Halliburton can do a better job of feeding our troops than the army? How do you justify paying Halliburton four times more than it would cost for our soldiers to do the same jobs?

How do you feel about Cheney's secret meeting with Ken Lay and other special interests in the White House to establish energy policy during the earliest days of the Bush administration? Do you agree with Cheney that secrecy about those meetings serves the public interest? Are you aware of the Bush family's longtime financial ties to Enron?

If you were president of the United States would you have flown to Nebraska and hide in a hole in the ground on 9/11, or would you have gone immediately to the scene of the crime? Would you have spent a large part of your first day back in the White House with a Saudi Arabian patrician politician who was doing business with your father? Do you think it was a good idea allowing hundreds of Saudi Arabians to leave the country during the next several days before the vast majority of them were questioned? How many of them were members of Osama Bin Laden's family? Can you explain why Bush did that?

Do you think we should have concentrated on finding Bin Laden in Afghanistan before we attacked Iraq? What would you have done if you were president?

Do you think Bush and others lied about why we invaded Iraq? Would we have attacked Iraq if their economy was based on agriculture? Do you know how many innocent civilians, including women and children, have been killed and maimed? Is there a reason why that information shouldn't be made public? How would you feel about America if you were a member of a murdered civilian's family, a friend or a neighbor? Would you ever forgive the people of the United States? How will that hatred affect our children?

How did you feel about Richard Perle being a high ranking advisor regarding our decision to invade Iraq while he was also collecting consulting fees from corporations which have benefited from the war? Should there be an open investigation? How do your feel about Bush's environmental policies? Do you support giving approximately half of our wildlife reserves to private developers?

How do you feel about a Medicare bill which bans the government from negotiating prices for bulk purchases? Can you explain that and other give-aways to the pharmaceutical companies? Is there a link to campaign contributions? Are high-up officials in Bush's government former top executives in the pharmaceutical industry?

How do you feel about the Bush tax cut? How much of that money is going to people who earn more that $100,000 a year? How much is going to people who earn $30,000 or less? Do you believe that is fair? What affect will the trillion dollar deficit caused by that tax cut make on the lives of ordinary people, including our children and grandchildren? What will that deficit do to the stability and safety of our country?

Do you agree with Bush that religious organizations should be allowed to make political contributions without losing their tax-free status? Do you believe in the separation of church and state? How would you handle this if you were president?

How do you feel about the significant cut-backs in funding for VA hospitals, health services and other benefits for veterans? Would you do that if you were president?

How do you feel about someone in the government leaking information to the press about former ambassador Wilson's wife being a CIA agent? What do you think Dwight Eisenhower would have done if that happened while he was president?

Does it bother you that only one person in the U.S. senate or house of representatives has a child in the military service? Do you think that affects how they feel about the war?

How do you feel about the FCC allowing corporate conglomerates to dominate ownership of local radio and television stations? The airwaves belong to the public domain? How does the demise of   local ownership serve the public interest? Are you happy with Clear Channel owning 1200 stations around the country? How do you feel about the long-term financial/political relationship between Bush and the owner of Clear Channel? Did you agree when another Bush financial/political crony blocked airing Nightline's report about American deaths in Iraq from airing on some 35 CBS affiliates? What do you think Thomas Paine would have said about that if he were alive?

Many people in the Bush administration, including Cheney, say it is unpatriotic to criticize the government in time of war. The great Americans who said it is our duty as citizens to question the government at all times include Thomas Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt. Politicians who said it was unpatriotic to criticize the government include Hitler, Goebbels, Lenin and the original King George. What is your opinion?

When is the last time you have re-read Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex? Do you think we should heed his warning today and apply it to the energy industry, as well? What would you do if you were president?

Did you agree with the Bush adminsitration when they said out-sourcing millions of jobs is good for the U.S. economy? Do you think manufacturers deserve tax breaks for sending American jobs overseas? How do you feel about the horrendous working conditions in Chinese factories partially owned and controlled by U.S. conglomerates?

How do you feel about the use of torture by our government? Do you put all the blame on low ranking national guardsmen? What would you have done if you were president and learned that we are torturing people? Did you agree with the president when he said   we arenÄôt obliged to honor the Geneva convention and other treaties we have signed?

If you don't agree with Bush about these core values how can you justify putting your loyalty to him and the political party that he dominates above the democratic principals which made our country great and unique? I used to wonder how so many people in Germany stood by and participated or watched while Hitler and his gang rose to power. Can you explain why what you are doing now is different?

Robert and Jan Fisher Encinitas, Calif. 92024

Hello Pittsburgh

Looks like I'm going to be on the air in Pittsburgh with Mike Pintek around 11:05 EST on AM 1020 KDKA, and wherever else his show is syndicated. Of course this is about the Cheney Shirts (click here for the shirts).

UPDATE: So far everyone in the media/press I've talked to about them has had a positive reaction, and Mike seemed pretty amused by them as well. He said both URL's a few times, which was pretty cool.

SENT - recovering

The private "artists+press" opening for SENT was friday night from 8-10PM and the "open to the public" official opening was last night from 7-10PM. In addition to that, the gallery was open both days noon to 6PM (5PM on Saturday) so it's been a hectic past few days. Very hectic actually.

I think both openings went really well (lots of press showed up, links are being added to the press section on the SENT site as the stories are published) - the over all event was very well received. It was cool seeing the kind of people who came out to see the show, or the lack of a "kind" really. People from every slice of life were there, all ages, all interested. I really enjoyed talking to many of them about the show, about what we were trying to explore, and seeing what they thought of it. Quite a few people were able to put the pieces together without having it spelled out for them ( have you noticed how much I hate doing that? ) and I was excited to hear all the different perspectives on it.

I was glad to finally show the world the images that the artists we invited sent in. We purposefully gave them no direction, and let them do whatever they wanted - so it was a surprise with each artist to see their take on the medium. In many cases, if you know anything about the people, it's very clear which images they took, others are totally out of left field but that only adds to the overall feel.

The publicly submitted images, which we were displaying on flat screen iMacs (with a random script loading a new image every 5 seconds to create a slide show effect) were mesmerizing. I'd originally set it up since people wouldn't be able to click "next" at the show, but it turned out so well I replaced that function on the site with the auto-script. You couldn't help but get sucked into the snapshots people were sending in. A grocery store isle, some people eating dinner, downtown tokyo, a flower, cloudy skies, the opening of SENT.. that's right, mixed in with the images people have been sending in from all over the world were images people were taking and sending right then, and it created a very cool effect.

I want to write more about it but I'm starving and still trying to recover from two days of running full throttle, so I'm going to end it there for now. If you are in LA, and didn't get a chance to see it, the exhibition is open all week if you want to swing over and get a look firsthand. Check the site for details.

Zombies + Vampires

OK, so if you get biten by a vampire (the undead) you turn into a vampire, right? And if you get biten by a zombie (the living dead) you turn into a zombie, right? So what happens if a zombie bites a vampire or vice versa? Vampire zombie? Do they become the living undead? I'm quite perplexed by this at the moment.

Photoshopping the NY Post

This thread is one of the best fark photoshopping theads ever. Ever.

Dear Dick Cheney,

Please don't get alll bent out of shape and send the IRS or FCC or FBI or anyone else after me about the t-shirts. It's just a joke. Besides, I could have said a bunch of stuff about Halliburton on there but I didn't so let's just call it even, ok?

Thanks man!

-sean

Hello Random People Coming here From Cafe Press

Thanks for stopping by. Please enjoy the endless rants contained on this blog. There's links to all kinds of things I find interesting or feel like talking about. But you probably just want to know about the Dick Cheney T-shirts right? OK, here's some answers the the questions I keep being asked:

Where did you get the idea?
Given the fact that the FCC is fining people left and right for being "obscene" I thought it would be funny if you could remind people that the Vice President himself says things like this. Since a shirt like this didn't already exist, I decided to make them myself.

What the hell do you actually do
Stuff.

Is this some kind of political statement?
What do you think?

How are the selling?
Very well. I haven't had a chance to look up the exact numbers (I'm writing stuff like this instead), but thanks to all the press and people blogging about it, a lot of people are seeing and buying them. I sold 10 of them a few hours after putting them online several days ago, so I'm sure they are doing well.

We want to talk to you but your contact page says you get a lot of spam and don't reply to much e-mail, how can we reach you?
Try my newly activated Gmail account at: seanbonner (at) gmail [DOT] com which I'm checking hourly.

Aren't you that guy who made that "Elian.. Wassup!" Flash thing a few years ago?
Yep. Read all about it here.

Want more? Here's some other things I'm working on now that you might want to check out:

SENT: America's First Phonecam Art Show: This weekend we are launching the physical gallery aspect of the art show we're doing with images from camera phones. The web side of it has been online for months - you can read details about this at sentonline.com

SIXSPACE: This is the art gallery my wife and I run in Los Angeles. The site sixspace.com has details on our artists and exhibitions.

METROBLOGGING: A friend and I just launched a collection of city-specific blogs written by people about the city they live in. Currently online Los Angeles, NYC, Boston, Chicago, SF, Seattle, Vienna, and London. We're adding new cities soon as well so if you want to blog with us, please apply.

I also went though the trouble of writing this BIO a while ago, so check it out if you want.

Thanks again!

Dick Cheney Shirts Getting Press

There's a Washington Post has a piece on my Dick Cheney Shirts today. Al Kamen writes:

"Bonner said he got the idea as soon as he read about the exchange. Given the recent Federal Communications Commission anti-smut actions and such, he said, "I thought it was comical and it would make a great T-shirt." And the dog T-shirt? "What dog wouldn't want to wear it?" he asked."

Reuters just called a few minutes ago [here's the story], and then some guy from a paper in Vt. I guess this is making the rounds then eh? Hello Everyone!

Boing Boing Googlebombed

Check out the google results for "Islamic Militant Website"

Wonkette gets a gig on MTV

That foul-mouthed red-haired vixen known as the Wonkette ( Ana Marie Cox of Arlington) has leveraged her popular political gossip site, Wonkette.com, into a gig with MTV News. The network will announce today that it has hired Cox, 31, to cover all the incredible tension and excitement that is the Democratic National Convention. It says her "unabashed style and irreverence" will galvanize young voters.

"Her coverage of the DNC will help us reach our goal of 20 million 18-to-30-year-old voters in November," Ocean McAdams, vice president of MTV News, said in a statement. Cox will join correspondents Gideon Yago and SwayCalloway on the beat.

So reports the Washington Post.

SENT in the LA Times

SENT (our camera phone art show) just got written about in the L0s Ange1es Time5. Here's the link which right now you have to pay to read... but should be free in a month or so. Until then...

You can call it art

Now on view: Photos taken with the latest tech darlings, camera phones.

By Susan Carpenter , Times Staff Writer

In 2002, when phonecams first came on the scene, naysayers dismissed them as a fad. Cellphones were to make calls. Cameras were to take pictures. Combining the two into a single hand-held device was technological folly — an idea that would soon go the way of the e-book.

These days, one in 10 cellphones includes a camera. So much for the naysayers.

What was once a gimmick for the tech-savvy to shuttle snapshots between friends has evolved into serious cellphone photography, websites for devotees and now a gallery art show. This weekend, Sixspace Gallery will kick off a weeklong run of "Sent: America's First Phonecam Art Show" at the Standard hotel in downtown Los Angeles.

"It's the future. Phones are a great example of taking something we've invented and turning them around into a creative tool, like the computer or video camera," said Chad Robertson, a local painter contributing photos to the show.

Robertson is one of 30 artists who were asked to participate — a roster including "names" and virtual unknowns, celebrity contributors such as "Will & Grace" star Megan Mullally and Dallas Maverick owner Mark Cuban, and local bloggers and independent photographers.

All were given the same model phonecam, the simple instruction to shoot whatever they'd like and the request that they submit three to five of their favorites for display. The result: an artistically far-flung show bound by uniform technology rather than aesthetic sensibility.

"Perhaps we could be criticized for reaching too broadly," said Xeni Jardin, co-curator of the show along with Sixspace owners Sean Bonner and Caryn Coleman. "But we thought, let's look at this from a number of different angles. If the whole idea of the camera phone is to be inclusive, it will be interesting for people."

The gallery show at the Standard is just half of the picture, so to speak. The invited-artist photos are also displayed online, along with a growing display of thousands of phonecam pictures snapped and submitted by the public.

And that makes the show a socio-anthropological study as much as an artistic display of technological capability.

"As people use these devices, as these devices become cheaper and more ubiquitous ... people relate to their visual environments with a greater visual awareness, and that's kind of profound to me: the idea that something not intended to be a creative tool has the potential to change the way some of us relate to the environment surrounding us," Jardin said.

A technology journalist for Wired magazine and National Public Radio, Jardin does a lot of thinking about such things. Last year she came up with the seeds of the project during a technology conference in Barcelona, Spain.

Noting "the beautiful depth of cultural history and how there's this collision of old and new there — old art and architecture and new mobile street culture," she said, "I was thinking, 'How could we toy with those two colliding dynamics back home in the States?' "

An active blogger, Jardin instant-messaged fellow bloggers and gallery owners Bonner and Coleman. "Sent" was born.

Though the show has yet to open to the public, the curators say they've already received many requests to take it on the road.

"Here we have a little red flag stuck on a map," Jardin said. "This is where our technology and evolution was. Where it will be in six months or 12 months will be another interesting question.... When the devices change, so too will the way that we use them."

Cuban on Nash

Forgot the sports side of this, if you are in any kind of a position where you work with people, where you work for people, where you have people working for you, where you have any interest in the back story that goes on when people work together, you need to read Mark Cuban's story about the Dallas Maverics losing Steve Nash. It's one of the most insightful things I've read in quite some time. It's especially interesting to me because, while I don't run a sports team that workes with players, I did run a record label that worked with bands, and Caryn and I run an art gallery where we work with artists and it's amazing how much of this crosses over. Bands and Artists have been lost in very similar situations.

Honestly and straight fowardness like this is going to go a very long way. A lot of the kinds of deals discussed here hinge on someone not knowing what the other is doing - Mark making this kind of stuff public, and very public at that, is a giant step in the right direction. If there's no secrets, no hidden agendas, then the people involved can make the best choice. Rarely is that the case, hopefully this is the kind of thing that will help put an end to that.

extisp.icio.us

This makes this look like this. Huh? Read this.

SENT: Opens this weekend

Caryn just wrote up a great piece about SENT, our phonecam exhibition which opens this weekend. If you can make it out on Saturday, it should be really cool. Caryn's post only touches on the chaos that has surrounded this event and has made us insane for the past month or so. As much as I'm looking forward to the opening, I'm really looking forward to not waking up each morning wondering what else is going to go wrong with it. This is all behind the scenes crap, the actual event that opens this weekend and will run all next week should be flawless, it was just getting to that point that was an issue.

Drink More Coffee

Though the virtues of coffee drinking may have been debated in the past, now there appear to be new reasons to rejoice over java. More and more studies have linked coffee consumption to a number of health benefits, including a reduced risk of diabetes, Parkinson's disease, gallstones, colon cancer and potentially heart disease.

"Coffee has much more in it than caffeine," said Dr. PeMartin, director of the Vanderbilt University's Institute for Coffee Studies, which conducts medical research on coffee and is funded by a grant from a consortium of coffee-producing countries. "It's a very complex beverage that contains hundreds of compounds, including many with antioxidant effects."

That from a Chicago Tribune story by Janet Helm, by way of Daniel Drezner.

Flickr

I've seen a lot of people talking about flickr recently, but I haven't dug in too deeply. I signed up after they announced it at e-tech last year but at that point I'd just spent forever adding lists of people to friendster, tribe, linkedin, etc.. and didn't feel like going through it all over again. So I like like 5 people on my connections list there, bit if it's worth it I might go back in and mess around with it. Anyone using it? What's the scoop?

Tracking the Blog Wide Web

This morning Dave Sifry announced that Technorati is now tracking 3 million blogs. 3 Million. He goes on to note that a new blog is being created every 5.8 seconds, and with a load like this the system isn't perfect - but they are working on it. He's asking people to be patient and that they are doing everything they can. I like Technorati and use it regularly, but my one big complaint is it's only stuff from the last few days. If someone blogged about one of my sites last month, I can't find that on Technorati.

I made a similar statement about Feedster the other day and one of the Scotts (not Rafer) over there got back to me with some info I wasn't aware of. He says:

Feedster indexes content in feeds (rss, atom, rdf) and when we find a new feed for the first time, we start indexing it. Now since back content doesn't appear in feeds, our index is generally from that point in time forward. So, for example, we have everything from scoble indexed from roughly early March 2003 forward. What we also do is provide a backlog loader that allows people to manually create a custom feed of everything and then we'll index back to Time 0 (the start fo their feed). We've done a poor job pushing people to do that and we should do better. That I'll definitely agree on.

Now please note that this is very, very different from Technorati which ONLY indexes the past 7 days. Our archive is now north of 58 million documents.

I wrote him back saying I hadn't realized that feedster kept an index of everything, for some reason I thought it was only active feeds - good to know for sure.

I checked out the backlog loader and while it's a cool idea, I don't know how useful it really is. I mean, certainly some people will go through the efforts to put together an RSS feed with everything they have ever blogged, but most people probably won't - or can't - Personally I started blogging in 99 and was entering posts by hand, for maybe a year, after that I switched to Grey Matter and used that for a while before jumping to MT, so the thought of going back through all those archives and reimporting them into something to try to make one giant feed is frightening. There's no way I'd ever do it, so I know a huge chunk of my content will never been in Feedster, which is fine because I know that walking into it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Feedster a lot, and use it regularly. I also like Technorati a lot and use it regularly, and several other searches to find stuff. At this point no one has it nailed, and it takes a combo of several services to get all the info I'm looking for on a daily basis.

Danzig Goes Down

In one punch. Looks like he was kind of asking for it.

NYC.Metblog busts the Post

The NYC Metblog looks like it was one of the first places online this morning to bust the NY Post. While the news has been deleted from the website, paper copies of the Post still claim that Gephardt is Kerry's VP.

In related news Kerry actually picks Edwards. *yawn*

Lookout Trackback Spammer

Geeknews is out to get you. Better make up something tough because "I got busted for trackback spam" isn't going to go over to hot in federal pound me in the ass prison.

London's Burning

Well, not really, but I just can't pass up these Clash references.

I've been planning on writing a big post to address all the shit that has come up in London but after talking to many of the bloggers who are on board, and reading the comments of many who aren't I've decided it's not really worth it. The people who get it, really get it and I'm psyched that they are involved, the people who don't, probably won't, so it's not worth trying to explain.

I'm being told that the lemonade I'm making is the worst tasting milkshake ever. Well, it's not a milkshake. Some people are convinced it is, and won't shut up about how bad it is. They are all "Check out how crappy this milkshake is - there's not even MILK in it!" and I'm like "That's because it's L E M O N A D E, not a milkshake" and their reply is "You idiot, you can't make a milkshake without milk! Hahaha Silly Americans."

So what is there to say?

I don't expect every single person to "get it" right away, but basically we're not doing anything that ANYONE else has ever done, so comparisons against other sites, and what other people are doing are useless - as that isn't the plan. You never hear that some guys blogspot page has low "quality control" because it's just one guy. He's the end all be all of that page. Yet the second you get a few bloggers together some people assume there has to be editors, and direction, and whatever else you would most likely find at a magazine. But this is a BLOG. We are Bloggers, and that's that how this works.

Ask any of the authors on blogging.la how many times I've told them what to write about, or how to structure their posts, or anything like that. The answer is zero. We have the same one rule there as all the other sites - posts have to relate to the city. Each blogger takes that their own way and runs with it. It's not an issue of how one person says things, it's how the collective group sees the city. That's a perspective you couldn't get by just talking to one person, or even two or three.

I guess that's either something you get, or you don't.

I'm not going to even waste space addressing the other stuff because it's not even based in fact. I'm just laughing at the growing list of why my milkshake sucks. If anyone wants to actually *gasp* talk to me about my lemonade, I'm right here, otherwise I'm done discussing frozen dairy deserts.

Three new Cities

Vienna

Boston

Seattle

That makes 8. Enjoy!

Taking Smack

I just found this, and read the comments. Wow. It's a site in London, complaining about our London Metblog. There's a lot of comments there by many of the people we have writing for the site. Needless to say I was a bit shocked to read it.

This is my reply, which I posted there as well.:

It's pretty awesome that you all have these problems with the site and never bothered to mention it to me, to maybe make it better. It's much more useful to sit around and complain to other people I s'pose.

Everyone on the site has my e-mail address.

I set up a mailing list so anyone could discuss anything with all of us.

The first I heard of any of this was when Smacked Face quit.

Let me attempt to clear up some gross missconceptions:

- Sucide Girls.
There is NO suicide girls "connection." The people who run the site live about a mile from me and offered to help pay for the first month of hosting while we got everything up and running. That's it. And not that I need to justify what they are doing, but the site really is owned and opperated by the girls. I've been to the office and seen it. The girls on the site are the ones writing the code, answering the e-mails, filling orders, etc. As for their politics, as far as I can tell everyone there has VERY different views on everything, which I happen to think is very cool. Liberal Vegans working with Conservative Republicans, working together. That is bad?

"Based in LA"
- What is based in LA? Me? Jason? The server's aren't even in LA. What the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm not offering editorial advice on the site. I'm not deciding what should be written about, or how posts should be structured - I set up ONE rule - posts have to relate to London. Period. If the posts don't sound like they are being written by people in London, then you should go talk to the people in London who are writing them. Or come on board and write better posts.

"I picked crappy writters"
- They applied. We turned some down and accepted some. We're *still* accepting some. You want to write, let me know I'll set you up with an account. You don't, then don't.

"the mountains of cash that isn't being paid to the writers"
- Right now we're spending about $140 a month on each of the sites, we've made TOTAL $200 from ads. Do the math. We're losing money. But this is brand new, and I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't believe that would change.

Look, I could go on and on but I won't. It boils down to this - Jason and I set up blogging.la for bloggers in LA because it's a site we wanted to read but didn't exist. After a few months we started hearing from people who didn't live in LA saying they loved the site and wished there was something like that in their town, and from people in LA saying they went on a trip to another town and wished there was a site like b.la that they could reference while they were there.

So we decided to set up the network of other cities. The city sites are run and written for by people in those towns. As we get interest from other cities, we're adding those. There's not some crazy conspiracy or anything - it's simply an idea for a project that I (we) thought was cool and decided to dedicate some time and money to try to make a reality. I don't expect everyone to like it, or agree with it, but at least try to back up your complaints with actual fact rather than just making things up.

Wanna Blog?

If you live in London, New York City, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, or Boston and you read this site regularly and would be interested in writing for a local metblog, drop me a note. I have a couple of slots I want to fill and thought I'd offer it to SBDC readers first.

Dear Partial RSS feed publisher

Right now I'm subscribbed to something like 600 feeds. Frankly it's a bitch getting through them all, so I'm making a decision right now. If a feed only publishes a partial post, I'm dropping it. I've been talking about this for almost a year but I officiallly don't have the time to try and track down the rest of the content, especially since I usually read offline. So, either update your feeds or I'm dropping you. There's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be publishing full feeds, especially if you actually want people to read your content.

Not that you really care if I read your site or not, but just fair warning.

Crap Crap Crap

Not that this will be a shock to anyone, but the 100 artists see satan exhibition is a hunk of crap.

Dick Cheney Shirts

Go get 'em while they are available. Click here.

Michael Got His Prius

After months of waiting, the cruftbox has a new box to drive around. No surprise here, he says the "three coolest features are Smart Entry, Bluetooth, and the GPS navigation." Color me envious.