"Since Sierra announced the incident on her blog this Monday, readers have posted over a thousand comments. But the uproar didn’t stop there; every damn blogger has chimed in. Even the blogger-obsessed San Francisco Chronicle ran the debate on the front page. The topics: Whether the owners of the forum are responsible, whether women should protect themselves, whether men should protect women…It’s great that we all got a chance to spout off for a week. That’s fantastic, I’m proud of all of you for taking that BOLD STAND and not supporting rape and murder. But aren’t we forgetting to, you know, track down the perps? And maybe we should all shut up until that’s done?"

-Nick Douglas on the newly reactivated Blogebrity.com in a post called "Can everyone shut up about Kathy Sierra?"

I gotta say I agree with this. I was just as outraged as anyone else when I read it, and posted links for people to check out in Twitter. Much of the first day at ETech was spent talking about it with everyone new that walked into any conversation. At dinner one night it came up and half the people at the table had received some kind of online threat at some point - clearly this isn't a new issue. By the end of the week I kept thinking "has anyone said anything new about this since Tuesday morning or is everyone just running around in circles." We all agree it's wrong, but talking about how wrong it is does nothing. What are we, as a community of bloggers, going to do to prevent that kind of thing in the future, or rather how are we going to deal with it when it happens again?

According to Valleywag - Chess is the bomb. Or something like that... Apparently there is a silicon valley chess club which includes some super hotshots or at least folks who like playing chess.

"It's to be expected that chess would be the sport of the tech industry's smartest entrepreneurs and financiers. If America were high school, Silicon Valley would be the geek table. What is surprising is that it's taken so long to for the autistic geeks to meld their passion for chess with their need to network."

Last year I found chessontheweb and invited pretty much everyone I knew to come play with me (on there I'm "seanbonner"), only 3-4 people actually took me up on it. Offer is still standing for anyone who thinks they can take my queen.

I'm sitting on a train at the station in San Diego and am within range of the free wifi at the station. I'm sure I'll lose the signal when the train pulls out and we get on our way back to Los Angeles. Lots more ETech posts coming soon, wrap ups and what not but I have to say I enjoyed this year much more than last. Train is pulling out now...

After the jump is the back channel from the first few sessions this morning including those by Matt Webb which was amazing, Adobe Apollo, and Google's solar powered wackiness.

Technorati Tags: etech, etech2007, oreilly, sandiego

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[jibot] seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging
[TomCoates] BIBLE FUCKING WOVE
[TomCoates] (sorry)
[seanbonner] Good Morning San Diego!!!!!
[holgate] did someone slip the dadadodo code into Tom's coffee?
[TomCoates] NIBBLE FUCK GIVE OW
[TomCoates] that's a good one
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[cspurgeon] At this point it's more efficient to just post a perl script to generate all combinations.
[jscott] a sensor track for next year would be interesting, weird and wacky things people are doing with sensors and sensor fusion
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[therealjeb] yeah that would be cool
[therealjeb] and those nets of cheap sensors
[therealjeb] that do smart things
[cspurgeon] Rebooting the sun violates the user agreement.
[mikekuniavsky] A merger of Makefest and Etech.
[seanbonner] It voids the warrently
[jscott] like this:
[jscott] http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/thisweek/2006/feb/02_06_davinci.asp
[TomCoates] cspurgeon +++++
[todbot] yes, a make-e-tech-fest
[therealjeb] Man I love those old space station drawings.
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[jibot] raelity is Rael Dornfest & the author of Blosxom & blogs at http://www.raelity.org/ & the organizer of ETCon http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etcon/ & also blogs at http://radar.oreilly.com/ & gets spam about broadband penetration
[cspurgeon] Yes! on those space station drawings!
[raelity] morning etechians
[seanbonner] Morning Rael
[jscott] mornign
[raelity] oh, hey sean
[TomCoates] Are we lovin' the Webb?
[seanbonner] we love the webb
[mattb] must love webb
[seanbonner] webb++
[TomCoates] let's love him afterwards
[neb_] wwwwwwweeeebbbbbbbb
[TomCoates] whether he likes it or not
[seanbonner] TomCoates: yes, and all at the same time
[TomCoates] (hint: he'll like it)
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[raelity] webb is that rare combination of wind-up toy and brilliant xerox parc building guy we all love
[TomCoates] hey - hang on
[TomCoates] i've just realised
[TomCoates] i've no idea why we're talking about fanfic
[mattb] webb is a wind-up toy?
*TomCoates waves fist
[seanbonner] TomCoates: what did I tell you about realizing things?
[TomCoates] oh. shit. yeah.
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[seanbonner] I expected more from you. very disappointing to see things take this direction.
[jibot] cybaea is Allan Engelhardt [http://www.cybaea.net/]
[therealjeb] WHOAH THAT GIRL HAS POWERS
[TomCoates] i won't realise anything any more
[RemyDWD] From fan fic to japanese laundry. Hope no one is hung over.
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*tengi gives webb a '386 so he can really enjoy compiling the linux kernel
[RemyDWD] tengi: So he can run folding@home?
[TomCoates] GIBBON FUCK WEEVIL
[tengi] RemyDWD: no, so he can watch the compiler output go by for a *really long* time
[TomCoates] therealjeb uppercase is for anagrams only.
[TomCoates] tut tut
[holgate] Webb is a walking reality-distortion field. Or a reality-expanding field. He exhales mescaline.
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[jibot] KevinMarks is a writer of code, limericks, weblogs & syllepses & his blog is at http://epeus.blogspot.com & he explains how to get Creators paid at http://mediagora.com & originally from London, UK & living in Willow Glen, San Jose, CA & is WikipediaWorthy & part of http://microformats.org & PST (UTC-8) & the Podfather & begoogled
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*tengi just gets the joke
[therealjeb] Holy shit
[therealjeb] How is that not the biggest fad ever?
[cspurgeon] I want one!
[therealjeb] Thats going to be the christmas hit of '07
[therealjeb] in the USA
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[cspurgeon] What were they called?
[RemyDWD] Yeah, I need one too
[therealjeb] idk but i thin ki heard "konami" in there somewhere
[RemyDWD] http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/008064.php
[RemyDWD] Otoizm
[TomCoates] Webb sort of reminds me of Timothy Leary
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[todbot] otoizm
[micahsifry] Erica--
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[micahsifry] oops, sending email at the same time as IRCing
[todbot] http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/otoizm-yo+yo-pet-and-music-player-in-one-150612.php
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[neb_] chemical brothers star guitar video background
[therealjeb] a what photocopier?
[mattb] perspex!
[therealjeb] perspex?
[holgate] TomCoates: Or Terence McKenna. Self-transforming machine elves.
[cspurgeon] neb_++
[mikekuniavsky] Directed by Michel Gondry.
[therealjeb] is that a real thing or one of those star trek words like transparent aluminum
[cspurgeon] Good catch.
[RemyDWD] starguitar++
[TomCoates] Yeah - definitely McKenna
[RemyDWD] Best music video I've ever seen
[mattb] i found out the other day that Oakley call one of their rubber derivative materials 'unobtainium'
[TomCoates] "Design is what we do until the eschaton hits in 2012"
[mattb] i was so pleased
[seanbonner] "transparent" and "aluminum" are both real words.
[stevegio] I am not excited by my washing machine.
[davidcrow] TomCoates++
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[RemyDWD] Otoizm home page: http://www.otoizm.konami.jp/
[andy2u_] mikekuni++avsky
[cybaea] cute kitten
[tengi] captain stripey pants++
[RemyDWD] captainstripeypants++
[RemyDWD] credibility--
[TomCoates] captain stripey pants ++++++!
[todbot] at least his cat's an officer
[therealjeb] robotlab++
[wkearney] me rolls eyes
[tengi] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylic_glass
[todbot] tha'ts rad
[tengi] hey, is that luxo jr?
[TomCoates] I used to work with Webb
[KevinMarks] It's Luxo Jr
[TomCoates] He was my R&D partner at the BBC
[neb_] Webb People
[TomCoates] Realistically, I think I've come out of the experience fairly well
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[stevegio] what is missing from the graphic is when the lamp de-capitates the person doing the drawing
[todbot] His Webb Browser
[seanbonner] Webb on the Web
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[neb_] IBM demoed it yesterday
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[jibot] mouthbeef is Cory Doctorow and blogs at http://boingboing.net and S*W*O*O*P and missrougue
[seanbonner] mouthbeef blogs at missrogue??!
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[schemish] ?karma
[jibot] Karma Dump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
[TomCoates] I've never seen Cory and Tara blogging at the same place at the same time...
[tengi] The requested URL /~jibot was not found on this server.
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[mikekuniavsky_] Luggage amulet.
[micahsifry] did someone actually buy her hair/
[cybaea] I want a business card like this: http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/28/wozs-business-card/
[therealjeb] I want a cool name like Crispin
[seanbonner] michasifrey: it was a fraud
*cybaea has business-card-envy
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[todbot] cybaea, find someone with a laser cutter/engraver and you can make your own
[todbot] just print to it, like a printer
[therealjeb] or use like frontpanelexpress.com
[todbot] therealjeb++
[segfaut1010] todbot: just go up to artcenter and start using the machine
[Brendon____] cybaea: Wos demo'd his card on The Daily show... can cut steak
[albertoescarlate] http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/metalbusinesscards.htm
[cybaea] albertoescarlate++
[TomCoates] Wasn't her hair full of drugs?
[mattb] stupid hair full of drugs
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[therealjeb] Terrence McKenna's drugs, actually
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[seanbonner] drug hair
[neb_] BTW, Terrence was telling us about Webb himself, actually: a self-transforming elf from the future. see?
[wkearney] if your time matters enough you have someone ELSE babysit the copier or washing machine. Otherwise if you have to DO this work then you're not going to pay for the infrastructure to enable this nonsense.
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[jibot] jgoldman is online and an all around swell cat. and the President of Radiant Core, Inc., designers of the Official Firefox 2 Theme. He blogs at www.radiantcore.com
[wkearney] not that it isn't a cool idea, just not terribly realistic
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[wkearney] experience hooks, queues and trends, however, are a very interesting area.
[seanbonner] wkearney is a dream killer
[wkearney] but geeks never go home
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[KevinMarks] you can't go home agin
[wkearney] sb++
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[egoodman] right, wkearney, but we're not really designing for geeks only, eh?
[KevinMarks] ?learn wkearney is a dream killer
[jibot] wkearney is a dream killer
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[RemyDWD] egoodman: We need a Venn diagram of the intersection between geeks and Generation C
[tengi] more puppets
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[wkearney] heh, hack it to make it as entertaining as yesterday's puppets...
[viss] so is there anything on the fourth day to go back for?
[RemyDWD] Needs more felt.
[viss] im trying to decide whether todrive in
*therealjeb is skeptical
[mattb] my pic on screen!
[todbot] tinker.it++
[mattb] i matter!
[RemyDWD] http://tinker.it/
[TomCoates] egoodman ++
[shadowstorm] @viss the last day of eTech is usually pretty light
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[therealjeb] Someone sitting in front of me is looking at a sweet drawing of like a futuristic pyramid dwelling
[viss] yeah, thats what I figured
[therealjeb] What is that thing?
[viss] but i was at barcamp LA last weekend, and I made a handful of friends
[viss] theyre all there
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[jameshome] we need a speech to text interface so I don't have to leave my hotel room
[jscott] send it to china so they can steal it
[mattb] arduino is so much fun to play with
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[davidcrow] http://instructables.com/
[neb_] thats me looking at the pyramid http://tinyurl.com/ywlz2q
[mikekuniavsky] tinker.it++
[egoodman] arduino is the absolute best -- I was 20 min from opening the package to hello world, and most of that 20 min was finding the USB in my cabinet
[RemyDWD] Pyramid convergence
[therealjeb] yeah this arduino crap looks radicatio
[tengi] threaljeb: is that the dwelling on the screen?
[tengi] woops! too late
[therealjeb] neb_ thanks this rules
[therealjeb] Ah, NASA's heavy lifting airships. Key.
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[jameshome] wow, why doesn't the Hyatt look like that?
[therealjeb] This is like a cool/practical version of that "Spime" talk
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[tengi] can you get a felt puppet with fuzzy logic?
[todbot] the theme for next year's ETech should be along the lines of this: bringing the fungibility of the web to the physical world
[therealjeb] I have a feeling it will be
[tengi] todbot++
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[mikekuniavsky] "The Internet of things"
[therealjeb] it seems like more than magic what everyone is really talking about is "The Diamond Age" type stuff
[mattb] check out xtech in paris
[mikekuniavsky] 2.0
[mattb] the theme is "the ubiquitous web"
[therealjeb] fab-labs, diy CNC machines,
[mattb] [/plug]
[therealjeb] Make, Arduino
[viss] chicken chicken.
[viss] bok boggoq
[tengi] the ubiquitous webb
[therealjeb] maybe someone will DIY a stereolithograpy rig
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[jameshome] tengi++
[seanbonner] I'm trying to decide which train to catch today to get back to LA
[jgoldman] sell sell sell!
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[jibot] jrnoded is jr at http://www.noded.com/noded
[viss] sean: same here.. except.. im in town ;b
[KevinMarks] cool, we can stare at our laptops and ignore him too
[kaylea] this looks like infomercial time
[davidcrow] KevinMarks++
[TomCoates] oh crap - yeah - me too
[viss] hm
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[segfaut1010] what os is that?
[jgoldman] is everyone really excited about Apollo? OH YEAH.
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[seanbonner] Really, let's all take the same damn one. We'll have AmtrakCamp
[Pseudo-Declan] there
[todbot] except the first result for "the ubiquitous web" is a W3C presentation that mentions JINI and SOAP. no thanks
[TomCoates] hm. apparently it's quite good, but I have to be honest I'm not overly excited
[Pseudo-Declan] i have a feeling more people will recognize me this way
[Pseudo-Declan] hahah
*davidcrow is not entirely live
[mattb] todbot: yikes
[KevinMarks] "it doesn't look at all like what you'd expect a desktop app to look like" is a good thing?
[jrnoded] heh
[jgoldman] KevinMarks++
[tengi] gotta love live demos
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[RemyDWD] Looks a little like sherlock to me
[jgoldman] tengi++
[therealjeb] I saw a demo of it a while ago that had some cool stuff about it.
[mattb] this is great, it looks like a web app
[mattb] in a web browser
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[mattb] innovative!
[jibot] justatheory is David Wheeler of Kineticode and Bricolage fame. http://www.justatheory.com/ and principal engineer for Values of n, aka raelity's biatch
[therealjeb] it is a webapp
[therealjeb] iits webkit
[shadowstorm] another paid-for captive audience product demo masquerading as a keynote
[justatheory] Reminds me of Pyro for Campfire
[reilly] every office needs a place to wii
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[jgoldman] justatheory++
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[davidcrow] @shadowstorm: just like last year
[therealjeb] but it has super-lightweight installer framework, and you can sign the apps to give them access to files and crap lik ethe java sandbox
[justatheory] Show me the offline stuff!
[RemyDWD] shadowstorm: And ironically, there was an Apollo session yesterday which was actually better than this one
[todbot] reminds me of a sponsored keynote
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[seanbonner] You'd think Adobe would know someone who could use photoshop and make it look a little, well, what I like to call "less crappy"
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[tengi] therealjeb: we need a webbkit
[therealjeb] they sell them at tinker.it
[davidcrow] I always want to do more computations and crunch numbers without a spreadsheet
[reilly] oh honey, you'll love my big screen wii
[mattb] ah, "the wife"
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[justatheory] seanbonner: Maybe he's an engineer?
[therealjeb] You could do that with normal flash. Why doesn't ebay actually do that?
[davidcrow] get the logo, is this a Seymour Papert talk?
[therealjeb] that would be a sweet feature.
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[jgoldman] @davidcrow: turtles all the way down.
[albertoescarlate] zzzz
[todbot] so you could sell things you only *saw* at a fleamarket!
[seanbonner] Well I can see that 3 shots this morning was not nearly enough.
[neb_] damn, who couldn't have webb gone second so we all could've slept in
[mikekuniavsky] That's so 2.0!
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[cspurgeon] I think there is beautiful, powerful stuff to be made with Apollo, but that wasn't it.
[andy2u_] i gotta admit the offline part is pretty cool
[KevinMarks] put the rifle down, sean
[RemyDWD] cspurgeon++
[justatheory] Swing?
[seanbonner] It's 2.0.0.0.0.0.03b
[sgowell] Hey look ... same thing here http://www.adobe.com/devnet/videos/apollo_demo07/index.html
[kaylea] so they have a flash player that doesn't require the browser
[andy2u_] thanks sgowell
[jameshome] any links from Webb that I need other than arduino?
[RemyDWD] kaylea: It's a little better than that.
[todbot] where's starbuck and boomer?
*davidcrow my hangover is now done sneaking up on me
[KevinMarks] they have a browser that doesn't require the browser
[mikekuniavsky] http://www.tinker.it/
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[neb_] http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/otoizm-yo+yo-pet-and-music-player-in-one-150612.php
[KevinMarks] stop eBay before they light pixels again
[wkearney] no, they have an editor and tools that let you do what's already possible (but too tedious) to do in firefox already.
[seanbonner] davidcrow: I apologize for any of that I might be responsible for.
[RemyDWD] jameshome: Not explicitly referenced, but http://www.otoizm.konami.jp/index.html
[therealjeb] http://robotlab.de/juke/bots.htm
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[cybaea] sgowell++
[jameshome] fantastic. thank you.
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[cybaea] re-cycled demos. There was a time when ETech was emerging...
[davidcrow] seanbonner: thanks, it's just taken an additional 4 hours for it to kick me repeatedly
[seanbonner] Yes, just what I want - a deeper relationship with eBay
[jameshome] I'll go shower now that Adobe is on
[RodBegbie] q
[neb_] wash the pitch off
[albertoescarlate] you can shower on your desktop
[RemyDWD] You know what this does remind me of, though?
[RemyDWD] Castanet
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[todbot] RemyDWD: lol
[TomCoates] I'm so tired I think my liver may fall out
[wkearney] remy++
[neb_] remy, the Marimba thing?
[RemyDWD] neb_: Yeah
[todbot] yes
[RemyDWD] THE WEB BROWSER IS DEAD.
[RemyDWD] PUSH IS IN
[neb_] egads, your right!
[therealjeb] "Available sensors and actuators:
[therealjeb] We're expanding our toolkit every month, subscribers get a shipment of new "experience elements" to use in their designs. "
[cspurgeon] There is a real issue with the big sponsors guaranteed a slot of presentation time.
[jrnoded] building scarcity into the WEB. The company controls what happens not the consumer
[therealjeb] How do you subscribe to this?
[andy2u_] for some people this will be easier than gtk + python
[sgowell] Apollo ... making lots of technologies equally buggy
[stevegio] this is no different than what you can do with JavaWebStart or BackWeb, yadda, yadda, yadda
[KevinMarks] can you keep nesting them inside each other?
[shadowstorm] @cspurgeon: agreed
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[KevinMarks] so now you get to debug a third JS client on Windows
[seanbonner] Amtrak back to LA - looks like best options are at 3 or 4
[justatheory] No wonder it reminds me of Pyro.
*cybaea laughs and gets his application in http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6507611.stm
[therealjeb] stevegio: I think its the same basic idea, but...you know, they fixed some of the crappy parts
[wkearney] yes, and by going along with this 'ease' you make it easier for the flash advertising minions to further invade your life. yeah, no thanks,.
[reilly] Will Apollo 1.0 kill all it's users in beta test?
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[RemyDWD] This will be good at my school, because we have a small group of web developers but no real app developers. If we can pull some apps off of the web, it will reduce some (not all) complexity - but I so don't need to hear this demo again.
[segfaut1010] just rocky
[therealjeb] plus the runtime is guaranteed to get broad distribution
[justatheory] It's the same damn thing!
[todbot] oh goodie, another archive format
[RodBegbie] Hey - Look at this great new Macromedia pitch from 2002: "Macromedia Central extends the reach of Flash rich Internet applications and content beyond the browser and into the desktop, making true cross-platform applications a reality." http://www.adobe.com/products/central/
[kaylea] so it's konfabulator or desktop widgets or desktop gadgets, but common among OSes
[stevegio] and probably introduced other crappy bits of their own
[RemyDWD] I mean, fuck, I played with the Apollo disc that was in the goodie bag right after I got to the hotel
[KevinMarks] "It isn't some crazy kind of '60s love-in," she added
[cspurgeon] RodBegbie, that is SO great!
[reilly] hmmm .... internet access seems a little burtsy
[justatheory] Ah, he is an engineer
[RemyDWD] "Crappiest tools" = "we're still going to charge for them"
[shadowstorm] eTech needs more crazy kinds of '60s love-ins
[therealjeb] kaylea: it has some other significant things that aren't in like Konfabulator, like a serialization system and filesys access
[albertoescarlate] castanet 2.0 http://tinyurl.com/2wnvsg
[seanbonner] I've seen this slide THREE TIMES this week
[jameshome] Get 12 interface elements for a penny! Buy only four more interface elements over the next two years!
[KevinMarks] how do they make the forms look that icky?
[RemyDWD] therealjeb: It's also supposed to have full access to the network stack, in theory
[RemyDWD] KevinMarks: Dreamweaver?
[therealjeb] Jeez I feel lik e a BzzAgent for adobe.
[davidcrow] it's wiki-esque but with a different structure?
[neb_] damn, their components are ugly
[seanbonner] KevinMarks: the [icky] tag
[shadowstorm] regurgitated
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[reilly] I can't believe they're name a product apollo
[jameshome] [icky] is deprecated. you should use css.
[sgowell] I would have thought it would have been the icky="true" element
[seanbonner] reilly: Next version is called "Starbuck"
[sborsch] How come he doesn't see excited and passionate?
[RemyDWD] reilly: It's the code name, not the final name
[sborsch] "seem"
[davidcrow] all we need to do is grab an XML file and ....
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[sgowell] So all we need to do write the app to make it work ... I'll be damned
[therealjeb] every time you grab an XML file David HH dies a little.
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[cybaea] Who thinks these seats are uncomfortable?
[seanbonner] What you really want to do is get the [icky] tag working with HAML
[KevinMarks] what was that Eby quote?
[reilly] still, Apollo 1 killed all the astronauts on it during test
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[tengi] seanbonner: and the over-arching framework is "Adama"
*cybaea 's bum hurts
[therealjeb] tengi: is that true?
[shadowstorm] http://www.kilian-nakamura.com/blog-english/index.php/deep-fry-diving-for-goldfish-in-japan/
[therealjeb] don't they already have a product called "Adam"?
[tengi] ;-)
[factoryjoe] favor: can someone grab photos if Ed demos Scrapblog?
[jscott] how does apollo make money?
[Brendon______] cybaea++
[Brendon______] cybaea++
[RemyDWD] jscott: Developer tools
[KevinMarks] 'XML is not the answer. It is not even the question. To paraphrase Jamie Zawinski on regular expressions, "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use XML." Now they have two problems."'
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[RodBegbie] jscott: Flash Developer licenses
[RemyDWD] It's not like Flex Builder is free, even though it's just a fucking extension on top of Eclipse
[todbot] "install experience" hahahaha
[todbot] oh you windows kids
[jscott] nice
[KevinMarks] 'This is a different situation than in Java, because compared to Java code, XML is agile and flexible. Compared to Python code, XML is a boat anchor, a ball and chain. In Python, XML is something you use for interoperability, not your core functionality, because you simply don't need it for that.'
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[therealjeb] @jscott apparently they are working on some more serious dev tools to sell
[kaylea] flex builder is pretty spiffy, but we only pay edu prices, $99
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[mattb] i want to play with mtasc
[seanbonner] a laptop with no wireless??!!
[kaylea] I think they also want to drive their flash server sales, they charge a lot for their server products
[mattb] free actionscript2 -] swf compiler
[jscott] thanks
[therealjeb] oh yeah
[wkearney] c'mon well-timed BSOD...
[shadowstorm] it's called a craptop
[mattb] first time i found something that will let me play with flash without buying a thing
[micahsifry] as a noncoder this presentation is about as exciting as watching paint dry
[RemyDWD] At least they're using webkit as their core here
[seanbonner] Oh, it's called a PC
[andy2u_] ok... i like this
[KevinMarks] mattb: there's ming
[cybaea] shadowstorm: you sould write a HOWTO for Make magazine. Deep fried goldfish
[andy2u_] i'm less excited by the *adobe* angle, and more just by that this is the way things more movin'
[davidcrow] micahsifry: being able to code doesn't make it any better
[KevinMarks] http://ming.sourceforge.net/
[tengi] michasifry: same for programmers.....
[micahsifry] i was afraid of that
[KevinMarks] but it is a bit in need of checking
[neb_] the cloud!
[mattb] KevinMarks: ming didn't feel like a way of programming flash to me
[justatheory] Gotta admit, that could be really nice to have.
[Brendon______] What is offline?
[mattb] more like a way to assemble a visual object targeted to swf
[mattb] like using libmagick
[sgowell] And that 5% will cost you 600$
[mattb] mtasc is more like gcc
[shadowstorm] It's an interesting point, Brendon...should we push towards being able to be connected no matter where you are?
[cybaea] Brendon______: offline is like being dead. What's with the '_' btw?
[shadowstorm] Is the concept of "offline" really valid in the future?
[jrnoded] need something that doesn't have to ask me all those questions
[RemyDWD] "Traditionally, it's a pain in the ass to write flash applications" - what an endorsement for flash.
[seanbonner] He should demo flash with badgerbadgerbadger.com
[KevinMarks] don't you still need a swf generated
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[Viss] hahaha
[cybaea] badger++
[justatheory] Brendon_____++
[cybaea] mushroom++
[Viss] seanbonner: weebls-stuff.com has things much more funny/annoying than that now
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[sexygirl153] hehehe - "js libraries make it easier to write js libraries"
[Viss] observe!
[stevegio] what I really want is this functionality in the javascript engine running in my browser so I can persist stuff directly in the web app I've already got, wouldn't that be simpler?
[Viss] i shall fetch
[therealjeb] I seriously do not understand how you buy the Tinker.it prototyping toolkit
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[sgowell] magicalTrevor++
[Brendon______] cybaea: ChatZilla has lost it's mind this morning. I get reconnected every few minutes.
[tengi] badger++
[Viss] \m/ magical trevor!
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[sexygirl153] therealjeb: yes! how can i buy it!?
[RemyDWD] stevegio: That's coming in Firefox 3, sort of
[Viss] CHUTNEY!
[RodBegbie] Viss: Everyone loves Magical Trevor.
[cybaea] mind? what's a mind? I'm too tired to think....
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[cybaea] magical_trevor++
[therealjeb] what is with the shared obsessionb with XML declarative UI languages?
[tengi] speaking of badger.... http://thefifthdistrict.com/potter/
[davidcrow] steal that code
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[seanbonner] http://www.threebrain.com/weeeeee.shtml
[davidcrow] nice
[therealjeb] its like something in the water.
[Viss] oh god
[Viss] i remember that.
[sborsch] Why would we be seeing a product demo in a quasi-keynote?
[sexygirl153] what's the alternative?
[Viss] sean: thats from.. nearly ten years ago
[KevinMarks] not weeee
[cybaea] tengi++
[KevinMarks] aaah
[mattb] unsubtle_sponsors--
[kaylea] sborsch++
[therealjeb] Adobe is an Unobtanium Sponsor of Etech
[jrnoded] he only has 8 minutes left
[sexygirl153] therealjeb+++
[cybaea] sponsors--
[tengi] threaljeb++
[cybaea] mattb++
[Viss] http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/headcrabs/
[Brendon______] Always online is still too expensive. No unifide "plan" to combine various ways of being online.
*Viss takes a bow
[stevegio] @thereljeb dunno I'd rather write DSLs to handle the xml sit-ups.
[KevinMarks] "within the drawer we have a tree" - don't you love object metaphors
[cybaea] crabs++
[todbot] it'll probably be sold here, but right now only the Arduino BT is there: http://pcb-europe.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=29
[Viss] oh man, i need to post my headcrab pics.
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[RemyDWD] infomercials--
[andy2u_] sometimes "emerging technologies" are commercial. the tone could be better, but i think actual ideas here are worthy of etech
[therealjeb] steve lol
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[cspurgeon] sborsch, make sure to fill out the evaluation form. Express your dissatisfaction.
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[RemyDWD] andy2u_: Agreed, but you need to generalize them
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[davidcrow] again steal that code
[seanbonner] OK, fine, then how about dusting the cobwebs off this: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/266
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[TomCoates_] I find myself suddenlyt quite bored and I can't figure out why
[therealjeb] I think they are too, and I also think listening to the occasonial sponsor spiel is a small price to pay to avoid Etech being 10k
[RemyDWD] At least when the Zimbra guys did their offline web apps thing yesterday, they talked about all the options available, not just what they did
[RodBegbie] Buy your Crabs here: http://www.weebls-shop.co.uk/toys.asp?siteid=100&prodcatid=201
[djwonk] what about protecting your application source code -- can apollo do that?
[TomCoates_] I sort of think there's value in this stuff, I guess
[Viss] oh no
[stevegio] anyone know the url for the apollo app to fill out the eval form while i'm on the plane?
[RemyDWD] The wesabe guys were not so great at the presenting, but their lessons were generalized
[TomCoates_] but still. Sort of a bit ...
[cybaea] andy2u_: agree on the relevance, thay are just all so bring :-( It is the presentation as much as the content
[Viss] hemmoraging internally
[jrnoded] no no no
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*Viss drips
[sborsch] andy2u: I'm a HUGE fan of Apollo and the concept. I'd like to hear about macro level trends and ecosystem stuff
[neb_] development environments in keynotes make the baby jesus cry
[TomCoates_] I like the concept too
[wkearney] embrace and extend....
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[sexygirl153] neb_++
[KevinMarks] strong typing--
[therealjeb] Yeah it would actually be cool if there was an Apollo keynote that was like
[mattb] grey screen!
[TomCoates_] neb_ ++ indeed
[Viss] theres a lot of plussing and minusing going on around here
[sgowell] neb_++ hah
[andy2u_] writing this from ubuntu, thinking some of this will be in Firefox 3.0, hopeful that Apollo will clear out the brush for some open source apps
[Viss] heh
[RemyDWD] We need an offline desktop backchannel
[therealjeb] "Hey we worked on this for a long time. If you try to build something like this, you get stuck here, here, and here. This is what we did."
[Brendon] Back to just me :)
[sborsch] stevegio++
[todbot] new etech rule: no code on the projector before lunch
[RodBegbie] RemyDWD: Yeah, so when the Wifi goes down, everyone can keep snarking.
[andy2u_] lollin @todbot
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[Viss] mmm snarks.
[RemyDWD] todbot: Ah, but lunch is ON YOUR OWN today! They win!
[Viss] skarks explode!
[Viss] i love snarks
[wkearney] I'll take code over slides about weaving anytime...
[Brendon] new etech rule: minimum font size for code
[seanbonner] Snarks with frickin laser beams
[RemyDWD] wkearney++
[andy2u_] therealjeb- agreed
[therealjeb] Awww man, I thought that weaving shit was pretty BA
[blech] Brendon++
[Viss] aha
[cybaea] does anybody still do XUL apps these days?
[Viss] that makes me kinda miss my gaming machine
[sexygirl153] cybaea: yes
[wkearney] heh, the joke used to be bad food and cool presentations. sadly, that's flipped 'round this year...
[shadowstorm] Give it a rip?? Oh...whew...he meant the code...I had mexican food flashbacks
[blech] cybaea: do the Songbird guys count?
[davidcrow] was it the yellow text on white background?
[cspurgeon] That *is* pretty cool.
[tengi] shadowstorm++
[therealjeb] When I saw this demo in January, there was a guy from the XULRunner project there
[cybaea] blech: These guys?? http://www.songbirdnest.com/
[blech] cybaea: yeah
[therealjeb] and he was all, "why did you guyus not work with us on this?" essentially in every one of his numerous questions.
[stevegio] this should be a rule in the etech drinking game, drink when someone shows a slide of their app integrated with google maps.
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[davidcrow] transparency, oooo, next they'll do reflections
[therealjeb] stevegio++
[seanbonner] Can I please see more raw code that I don't care about?
[cspurgeon] davidcrow++
[cybaea] haha - not skins but feathers :-D
[sborsch] Songbird is an iTunes knock-off. Tough to be partners with Apple when you publically promote such a competitor
[shadowstorm] I'd be more interested in seeing the communication trace from front to back in Apollo
[Viss] http://youtube.com/watch?v=LsawDyL1L2U
[RemyDWD] We just need a drinking game, period.
[wkearney] stevegio++
[Viss] squish!
[KevinMarks] we need more drinks
[Viss] drinks!
[Brendon] IE7 does .png!
[sexygirl153] how can we possibly see what's going on? :(
[TomCoates_] right that's it
[blech] sborsch: eh, I don't like it but it's more interesting than just a knockoff
[stevegio] and drinks starting at 8:30am.
*davidcrow does not need more drinks
[cspurgeon] oh god
[cybaea] blech: Counts
[Viss] kevin: I dont even think theyre serving lunch today
[TomCoates_] I'm going to chew my neighbour's arm off
[Viss] the schedule says 'Lunch on your own'
[mattb] there's a gag coming
[davidcrow] TomCoates++
[sgowell] Funny the presenter mentions "gag"
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[andy2u_] there was no "party" this year, last year there was Yahoo! and Second Life... not a big deal. just a note.
[TomCoates_] and then I'm going to use it to beat my other neighbour to death
[seanbonner] I'm thinking lunch, then train
[stevegio] look for the matte lines!
[neb_] oh no
[shadowstorm] what the fuck is this?
[RemyDWD] I've already seen this "gag" in another app
[cybaea] Viss: Lunch is your own responsibility today
[Brendon] TomCoates++
[Viss] yeah, thats what I figured
[kaylea] it seems like the promise of tech like this is plugging web functionality into standard desktop apps when network is available, not the other way around
[seanbonner] nothing better than a shaking browser
[RemyDWD] Spark (the jabber client) has a "BUZZ" button that vibrates your recipients IM window
[stevegio] drinks
[Viss] that probably means they certainly wont be serving drinks either
[sgowell] Well ... I certainly gagged on that one
[shadowstorm] uhuh, yeah...it's called the DOM
[factoryjoe] what are they demoing?
[wkearney] I mean, the choices are so varied, buzzword overload drinking, completely irrelevant fringe topic drinking...
[blech] kaylea: isn't that a solved problem, with IE/webkit embedding?
[davidcrow] seanbonner: I'm thinking I hope this hangover kills me so I don't have to cognitively be here anymore
[factoryjoe] (sorry, i'm remotely participating!)
[blech] "solved"
[Brendon] ?checkout now
[therealjeb] is this "what he can build in a couple of minutes"
[KevinMarks] we can't lunch with each other?
[RemyDWD] kaylea: There's no IE embedding
[TomCoates_] no, we must lunch alone
[therealjeb] wiat
[RemyDWD] It's webkit on all platforms
[sborsch] Rearranging tiles. Indistinguishable from magic.
[therealjeb] i didn't mean to type that.
[RemyDWD] er, sorry, that was at blech
[davidcrow] sborsch++
[seanbonner] scrapblog
[Viss] kevin: certainly, the only tricky part is that its no longer free
[Viss] heh
[neb_] nice UI?!
[therealjeb] i saw a demo of this that involved someones ecmascript 3d library
[davidcrow] is someone photographing this for "The Messina"
[todbot] wysiwyg
[RemyDWD] Ooh, this is like a CD-ROM game from 96
[KevinMarks] TANSTAAFL
[todbot] multimedia
[seanbonner] I'm cameraless atm
[blech] http://www.hypermultimedia.com/x3d/Quick/SAIDEFS.htm
[therealjeb] i have seen more demos of apollo in the last six months than i have seen any members of my family.
[sexygirl153] bleeeding.... eyes....
[todbot] synergy
[sgowell] Wow ... its like kidpix
[KevinMarks] "publish to the cloud"
[andy2u_] does anybody know what "closing get-together"is?
[tengi] KevinMarks++
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[seanbonner] feedreader?
[TomCoates_] therealjeb ++
[TomCoates_] that's so fucking true!
[Viss] kevinmarks: youre not on twitter are you?
[davidcrow] maybe he'll show us a Tag Cloud written in Apollo?
[sexygirl153] therealjeb++
[Viss] ooooh
[Viss] nifty
[Viss] ive been kicking around how to create a tag cloud in my head
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[KevinMarks] I am indeed on twitter. see if you cna guess what nickname
[jibot] gregbiggers is a hackable wifi clockradio who is in the anonymized dataspace and indistinguishable from magic and was, for a short evening, davidcrow with extra badass
[seanbonner] hey look! Red boxes! That must be the internet
[Viss] im planning on writing a gallery
[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[RemyDWD] Wait, is he going to bill us for his "wit" and "grace"
[Viss] kevinmarks: ah, gotcha
[gregbiggers] so that mix thing was basically greasemonkey except you have to pay for it?
[albertoescarlate] so it's free
[Brendon] We need a twitter demo
[seanbonner] RemyDWD: I'm going to bill adobe for this time
[sexygirl153] that's the gag - we've already paid!~
[gregbiggers] brendon++
[davidcrow] wow, maybe this could make this a gadget and MSFT would promote
[blech] I noticed an apollo twitter icon
[cybaea] I thought the internet was blue?
[RemyDWD] Brendon: What, 30 minutes of a browser trying to load a service that doesn't respond?
[cspurgeon] Yeah, you just *wait* for me to pay that bill, monkey boy.
[TomCoates_] don't get too excited
[TomCoates_] but I think it's ending
[KevinMarks] right, 'cos what twitter really needs this week is 200 geeks logging into it at once
[sexygirl153] woo!
[seanbonner] TomCoates: ZOMG!!11!! W00t!!
[cybaea] Solar panels next
[gregbiggers] hopefully this next thing will rock
[Brendon] RemyDWD: Try Locust -] twitter from 5 years ago.
[TomCoates_] yeah!
[blech] wait what? break?
[RemyDWD] I sent two SMS messages to Twitter this morning, 30 minutes apart, and they got parsed in reverse order. Amazing.
[kaylea] at least that's unlikely to be an ad for google
[gregbiggers] what is up w/ rael?
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[sgowell] Wow .. Rael didn't even want to keep sitting after that
[davidcrow] this is conference lite
[cybaea] rael is drunk...?
[todbot] even rael was erased by that last talk
[RemyDWD] gregbiggers: He's getting distracted by the backchannel
[jscott] hell be here all day
[tengi] Rael's in a loop
[Viss] kevinmarks: man, I think with barcampLA and ETech following back to back, the guys that maintain twitter arent sleeping.. at all
[seanbonner] hmmmmmm
[therealjeb] what the hell?
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[RemyDWD] raelity++
[davidcrow] oooh, more content, that's good
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[TomCoates_] I love rael
[wgk] nice save rael!
[gregbiggers] backchannel++
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[heavysixer] neb_: sir
[todbot] raelity++
[RemyDWD] I could sure go for an infomercial about this "Google" I've heard so much about
[therealjeb] "TBD
[cspurgeon] Tom, absoloutely.
[therealjeb] Anthony Ravitz, Project Coordinator, Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google, Inc."
[therealjeb] hmmmmm
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[gregbiggers] raelity++
[tengi] speaker++
[sgowell] google++
[TomCoates_] I like this guy already
[RemyDWD] ravitz++
[cybaea] raelity: don't drink and present :-)
[seanbonner] he's hecking from on stage
[sborsch] i like how they "call audibles" and do thins dynamically....that's what makes O'Reilly events great
[micahsifry] jeez, is he older than 16?
[gregbiggers] say that 3 times fast
[Brendon] I wish I could drink and listen
[seanbonner] micahsifry: he will be next month
[micahsifry] lol
[gregbiggers] seanbonner++
[TomCoates_] Quick question completely unrelated to the current situation - is it inappropriate to describe a speaker as 'foxy' in the backchannel?
[seanbonner] That dog in the slide has a PhD
[segfaut1010] seanbonner++
[therealjeb] Google is so next level people don't even code they just chill on the beach vball court all day and play with a dog
[davidcrow] "we squeese lots of engineers"
*wkearney99 flashbacks to apple circa early 90's....
[tengi] when he's done here, he has to go throw a ring into Mt. Doom
[therealjeb] and then its like BOOM GMAIL FOR SPACESHIPS
[cybaea] haha - search for 'googleplex' on google maps
[RemyDWD] seanbonner: And passed a rigorous interview process
[TomCoates_] hehehe
[therealjeb] BETA
[micahsifry] they do his laundry for him?
[TomCoates_] tengi ++++++++
[KevinMarks] ah, this is a we're hiring pitch
[Brendon] Why did anybody doubt the Google business model?
[davidcrow] KevinMarks++
[gregbiggers] in other words, most of it is grown on former superfund sites
[schemish] HR pitch
[doc_ca] can anyone discuss google without going on about the food?
[wkearney99] cripes, job pitching? what's this, a disney presentation?
[micahsifry] wasn't he doogie howser?
[seanbonner] RemyDWD: and has a lvl 70 Undead Warlock
[cybaea] KevinMarks++ nailed it
[sgowell] ahh hippies
[RemyDWD] Google discussing food before self-generated lunch is cruel.
[gregbiggers] configure gadgets!
[todbot] we get to read his mail
[TomCoates_] anyone want to ask them what they do all day/
[seanbonner] KevinMarks has an inside track
[crowder] Self-generated lunch?
[segfaut1010] more solar panels, less bio diesel
[schemish] KevinMarks++
[KevinMarks] we do?
*davidcrow is self powered
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[Brendon] I'll be on my self generated way home
[sborsch] Shoulda seen Atari in Cupertino in 1981; Vignette in 1999 in Austin; just as cool....now?
*seanbonner is powered by davidcrow
[KevinMarks] I've been cycling 100 mins a day for 7 weeks, how do I donate that to ORG?
[therealjeb] "In Summary, we are hippies and we smell like patchouli"
[sexygirl153] google has too much money
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[crowder] hey, sexygirl153
[davidcrow] seanbonner: technically i'm bourbon powered
[therealjeb] "Here's one of our hippies now"
[tengi] therealjeb++
[wkearney99] which you then pay income tax on... and get bumped up a bracket...
[seanbonner] sexygirl153: they should give some of it to me
[cybaea] What's the best way to get from here to LAX? Plane, car, train, segway, walk...?
[crowder] sexygirl153: You wearing your firefox t-shirt today? :)
[gregbiggers] is there free wifi on lake wash?
[sexygirl153] that would work
[sexygirl153] crowder: not today :)
[tengi] was the coffee delivered by google transport?
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[Brendon] cybaea: I'll be driving up after this...
[KevinMarks] you can warcanoe bill gates wifi
*crowder feels betrayed
[cspurgeon] Here's how i commute to Google... http://www.personalblimp.com/
[RemyDWD] Argh, tiny thin fonts
[davidcrow] it was google coffee
[albertoescarlate] cybeae: boat - just like the google guy
[cybaea] boat++
[sexygirl153] coffee was helicoptered in by organic helicopters piloted by geese
[sborsch] beaching their kayaks...they walked 9 miles to the office and got there right after lunch
[schemish] Google has an underground converting pigshit into methane?
[blech] segfaut1010++ # more solar, less burning
[gregbiggers] national boat to work day
[TomCoates_] what's this guy's name again?
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[jibot] Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & is now back & living in Edinburgh & lucky enough to be married to Vikki & blogs at http://www.ewanspence.com/ & still Scottish
[sgowell] master blaster runs google-town
[TomCoates_] I need to find pictures of him online for a ... friend
[RemyDWD] Anthony Ravitz
*Ewan_ waves to the room
[Ewan_] Morning all
[stevegio] interesting to think of the secondary economic activity generated by google outside of the actual business
[cybaea] Brendon: I am not actually going until Monday -- didn't travel all this way to miss out on some sun and Fry's!!
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[gregbiggers] TomCoates++
[crowder] Morning, Ewan
[KevinMarks] you have a camera tom
[davidcrow] morning Ewan
[Ewan_] Hey crowder
[Ewan_] davidcrow
[mattb] for your little friend?
[gregbiggers] Ewan! Live death to the fullest!
[tengi] Mornin' Ewan
[Ewan_] 'plea' to the room - has anyone got a rip of the season closer to Battlestar Galactica with them?
[TomCoates_] mattb: yes, for Cal
[Ewan_] gregbiggers++
[blech] mattb++
[egoodman] he can't even keep a straight face
[cspurgeon] Ooh, that is bad ass.
[seanbonner] Ewan should charge the stage and get the audience clapping
[davidcrow] Ewan_: did you manage to ruin another werewolf game?
[cspurgeon] So it that!
[Ewan_] davidcrow, no I sat nicely at the side
[Brendon] seanbonner++
[sexygirl153] where is this talk going?
[cybaea] missing skin
[mattb] ok, this suddenly went a bit weird
[micahsifry] we also have a scale model of a camp in Darfur in the lobby
[gregbiggers] just to remind everyone of imminent extinction
[tengi] does that t-rex drink from the water fountain
[therealjeb] "We are not just hippies, we are also nerds"
[tengi] ?
[kaylea] I wish more of these talks started with a brief "here's why this is relevant to you" intro
[gregbiggers] micahsifry++
[mattb] oh, now the really surreal bit
[davidcrow] money
[Ewan_] (stand by for the science!)
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[tengi] seanbonner++
[mattb] google has some of the worst design and graphics ever
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[mattb] even in their slides
[mattb] it's kinda charming
[sexygirl153] 'kinda'
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[mattb] like hand-coloured signs in a local library
[KevinMarks] the plan is to get matt webb to install servomotors on the T-Rex and chase people round the cmapus
[seanbonner] "We're moving to solar so we can keep more of our mountains of cash"
[therealjeb] @mattb- i think they do it on purpose for just that reason
[TomCoates_] like things made with crayons
[mattb] by a really nice, enthusiastic librarian
[TomCoates_] i like them
[neb_] awwww.. wittle google made a graphic
[Brendon] I wish the talks had a "relevant to you" piece... anywhere
[jgoldman] mattb+
[jgoldman] +
[stormville] kevin :)
[TomCoates_] neb_ ] rofl [
[therealjeb] even their name is basically baby-talk
[schemish] mattb++
[jgoldman] i wish the talks were relevant to me generally speaking.
[seanbonner] "bang for your buck"
[tengi] KevinMarks: just teach it to play "fetch"
[schemish] 'pig demand' ?!
[sborsch] mattb: if Google designed magazines, it'd be Courier on white paper with .25" margins
[blech] therealjeb++
[gregbiggers] peeker plants are dirty. heh.
[RemyDWD] seanbonner: The $1 bill baths are heated by solar
[kaylea] the relevance is the surprise at the end, so you have to cache all the ideas and wait for context
[Ewan_] Is it just me, or is Nintendogs a little bit more user accessible?
[sexygirl153] DIRTY DIRTY!
[KevinMarks] I'll forward your design comments to jeff veen
*cybaea linkes pigs...
[Brendon] Should ask him about the environmental impact of making solar cells?
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[kaylea] maybe his point is, we think this is the way the industry is going and you might want to think about ways that your company can do this or profit from this trend
[sexygirl153] google starts by asking for money?
[kaylea] or maybe his point is, we're so cool, come work for us
*blech is reminded of the difference between .ca.us and .uk again. Peak power demand in summer afternoons. what craziness
[cybaea] google likes money
[segfaut1010] bill gross invented google
[wkearney99] yes, all that folksy goodness to hide the fact they're souless minions of advertising... but hey sincerity is everything, learn to fake that and you've got it made!
[sgowell] spending time on the roof ... making forts and having tea parties
[gregbiggers] hi, we're, um, like the most profitable company on your grid.... um, can we, uh, have our money, ummm... back?
[blech] making farts?
[Brendon] blech: we like to be cooool
[neb_] google can turn sunshine into money
[seanbonner] I thought he said "nodules"
[reilly] yeah, dissing this presenter would be kind of like torturing a cute little puppy
[blech] Brendon: we get cooool for free!
[therealjeb] If there was an O'Reilly "Hanging out on roofs making forts and having tea parties" I would totally go
[neb_] econosynthesis
[tengi] reilly++
[gregbiggers] RoofCamp
[jscott] so we built more things to add roofs to
[seanbonner] "So we put solar panels on top of our solar panels"
[wkearney99] but hey, if you've going to add more impervious surfaces with those 20+ buildings it doesn't hurt to at least put panels up there
[stormville] when he said peak demand I thought he said "pizza man"
[sexygirl153] flickr roof-club: http://flickr.com/photos/tags/roofclub
[cybaea] therealjeb: yeah. And a "building snow forts and having snowball fights" in the winter
[Viss] http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/chutney
[micahsifry] very creative building names
[gregbiggers] and here is our third favorite product, Google Mountaview (tm)
[Viss] wooo chutney!
[TomCoates_] reilly ++
[therealjeb] Yeah that would rule
[RemyDWD] Sketchup has a solar panel model? Why didn't it tell me in the tutorial?
[Brendon] blech: We are scared of nature. Live in sealed boxes.
[RemyDWD] sketchup++
[therealjeb] ketchup--
[blech] ooh, skybridges
[kaylea] sketchup is cool, but it was already cool before they bought it
[todbot] sketchup or scatsup?
[gregbiggers] all those cars with photovoltaic roofs
[kaylea] all they did was googlify the price
[jscott] maybe just paint over the wondows, same effect
[tengi] todbot++
[RemyDWD] kaylea: Free for education = okay by me
[therealjeb] lol
[seanbonner] "thinfilm" = double sidded tape
[kaylea] hey, I'm not unhappy with the price :)
[RemyDWD] :)
[kaylea] it's just odd that it's his second favorite google product when they didn't produce it
[gregbiggers] Scotty! We need more Sun!
[Brendon] I face my panels away from the sun so as not to use them up
[sborsch] I hope he gets to the investment and the ROI time length
*mattb is reminded of http://www.flickr.com/photos/simon/432572707/
[blech] kaylea: they're all Google's toys now
[mattb] this guy is simon willison with money
[cybaea] shade--
[TomCoates_] mattb ++
[Brendon] sborsch: you are kidding?
[stevegio] sure this is cool but didn't webb say the sun was going to explode? How much power can they generate in the dark?
[RemyDWD] sborsch: He said 7.5 years for the payback
[neb_] mattb++
[blech] mattb: EPRIVATE
[sborsch] Brendon: Ahhh....no
[seanbonner] Solar On RAILS
[TomCoates_] good point!
[davidcrow] everything is on Rails
[mattb] blech: ahbugger
[kaylea] Google: all the tools are belong to us
[sexygirl153] solar on rails!
[mattb] blech: probably for the best
[TomCoates_] if the sun's gonna blow, Google's screwed!
[stormville] :)
[RemyDWD] stevegio: After rebooting, the sun won't have a memory leak, so we'll get increased production
[reilly] if we don't behave, google is going to secede from the union and form their own country
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[TomCoates_] I accidentally typed 'if the sun's gonna blog'
[TomCoates_] the first time around
[therealjeb] Self Whatting System?
[sborsch] I was in a talk where they laid out the ROI on compact flourescent replacements for incandescents
[jscott] rael is everywhere and strong
[therealjeb] Ballasting?
[therealjeb] Balancing?
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[gregbiggers] self ballasting.
[cybaea] (I have to log in to Flickr now just to watch photos??)
[blech] TomCoates_: they'll send Ciaran Murphy out, it'll be fine
[sborsch] was 18 months
[seanbonner] I'd read the sunblog
[reilly] there was a slide that said the break even was at 7.5 years
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[stormville] sun probably has a twitter account
[gregbiggers] in other words, its potty trained
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[TomCoates_] yeah - sun's more of a twitterer
[blech] cybaea: don't bother, you need to be simon's friend
[seanbonner] maybe I should set up sun.metblogs.com
[cybaea] Ah
[sborsch] reilly: oops...was paying partial attention
[reilly] but i don't know if that included time value of money, etc
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[Brendon] California is "thinking of" banning incandescents
[TomCoates_] 'today was sooo dull. radiated a bit. had a cookie. drank some tea'
[TomCoates_] 'some guy dropped a bomb into me, in defiance of physics'
[cybaea] ;-P
[gregbiggers] TomCoates++
[KevinMarks] do those solar carports charge electric cars?
[stormville] :)
[todbot] wha? mountainview cares about urban planning?
[RodBegbie] Current mood: warm.
[jscott] trading blackmarket 'its' its' )
[gregbiggers] a bio swill?
[TomCoates_] rodbegbie ++
[therealjeb] mountainview is so strange. i went there last week.
[blech] "I have this huge spot facing the earth, what a downer"
[sexygirl153] RodBegbie+++
[therealjeb] They have one of the world's largest blimp hangars.
[RemyDWD] gregbiggers: I hope that's what he said. "Biosoil" is what I heard, and that makes less sense
[stevegio] RemyDWD, I think linux based suns *rarely* need to be rebooted. our sun must run windows
[Brendon] With 7.5 year payback, they must be getting a massive tax break on the panels!
[therealjeb] it looks like the jawas' sand crawler.
[KevinMarks] google should buy the blimp hangars next
[TomCoates_] that's the problem with legacy suns
[mattb] "blimp hangar" sounds really dirty to me
[mattb] it's probably jsut me
[sgowell] Ruby on uniwrapped sun frame?
[blech] mattb: no, you've broken me now too
[cybaea] rails? I thought Google used Python?
[gregbiggers] unirack sunframe-- its like one of those sun microsystems sea containers, except taken apart
[therealjeb] its like a jellyfist
[therealjeb] h
[gregbiggers] (if you can't open it, you don't own it)
[therealjeb] google sounds like it has something of a caste system.
[RemyDWD] Actually, why doesn't Project Blackbox use solar?
[Brendon] Python is so last year
[sexygirl153] RemyDWD: so it's stackable i assume
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[blech] RemyDWD: that area of solar generate anywhere near enough power
[stormville] they were banging over people's heads
[neb_] "and now, when we focus the panels, we can set Yahoo jets flying back and forth from Pasadena on fire"
[tengi] RemyDWD - it's tough when you stack them (you *can* stack them, can't you?)
[seanbonner] "Since the begining of time mankind has dreamed of blocking out the sun" - Smithers
[blech] +wouldn't
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[todbot] heheh neb
[Brendon] RemyDWD: Watts per square foot/meter wouldn't alow it
[cspurgeon] seanbonner++
[wkearney99] ++neb
[kellan] um, its a technical audience, i don't know that you need to define "inverter"
[stevegio] seanbonner, then we can fight in the shade
[KevinMarks] you can stack them if you have a really big water supply
[sexygirl153] yay! more money for google!
[kaylea] article for the next make -- how to solar YOUR googleplex?
[seanbonner] Wait! Positive AND Negative???!!!
[jscott] google only uses positive power
[KevinMarks] heh
[sgowell] This feels like a "What I did on my summer vacation" presentation
[sexygirl153] jscott++
[gregbiggers] ...yeah. so we had this other idea... after you give us back our money, ummm.... can we sell you back some power, too?
[tengi] jscott++
[gregbiggers] sgowell++
[stevegio] my first car used a 6 volt battery with positive ground.
[schemish] booooring

Last night I was faced with the ugly choice of going to play Warewolf or going to VaultCamp. Since I've some how made it through countless SXSW, ETech, Web 2.0, BarCamp, etc.. without ever playing Warewolf I thought I was in no position to break that streak and opted for VaultCamp. Now to clarify I'm not talking about vaultcamp I'm talking about a party thrown by the folks from Unspace, Radiant Core, and Unpossible that was actually held in a very old, very cool vault. Or technically the safe deposit room, but SafeDepositCamp sounds kinda dumb. This ended around 11PM at which point I booked it back to the W and sat around in the lobby using the WiFi for a few hours, however I later found that Warewolf didn't end until around 3am so I probably could have gone and caught a large portion of it. Oh well, the vault was a blast. Here's a few camphone pics I took of it.

• SuicideGirls > Interviews > Sean Higgins Interview
  (tags: art sixspace seanhiggins caryncoleman)

And for my 3rd backchannel dump for the night - after the jump are the logs from the early affternoon sessions, which probably include:

Pipes: A Tool for Remixing the Web
Pasha Sadri, Principal Software Engineer, Advanced Development Division, Yahoo!
Jonathan Trevor, Advanced Development Division, Yahoo!

Using MapReduce on Large Geographic Datasets
Barry Brumitt, Software Engineer, Google, Inc.

Super Ninja Privacy Techniques for Web App Developers
Marc Hedlund, Chief Product Officer, Wesabe
Brad Greenlee, Wesabe

Technorati Tags: etech, etech2007, oreilly, sandiego

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[jibot] seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging
*tengi waves to cybaea
[davidcrow] hey it's one of the Mozilla Mikes
*cybaea looks around for tengi?
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[tengi] I'm in the pipes talk
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[O_RLY] map reduce talk
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[cybaea] Ah. I'm the nija talk
[shadowstorm] SUPER NINJA!
[shadowstorm] They had me at "Nin"
[gregbiggers] i'm in the deli, considering mapreduce in a sec
[mediaserf] [-- Ninja talk
*cybaea waves at shadowstorm
[ikisai] Turtles
[ikisai] Mutants
[RemyDWD] [-- Ninja
[cybaea] ninja++
[cybaea] (just for the cool title)
[shadowstorm] This would be a perfect opportunity to catch up on Ask a Ninja
[missrogue] Putting Ninja in your talk title is bound to generate a crowd
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[Brendon] RFID talk makes me think of http://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/
[shadowstorm] They should hire Ask a Ninja to do this talk
[BigD] how do you know they didn't?
[davidcrow] have they implement the ningosity principle
[BigD] maybe I'm a Ninja
[shadowstorm] and give out tightly bound black scrolls written in tiny black ink
[mediaserf] the ninja is here ah BigD is faster than me
[BigD] heh
[davidcrow] or are you a warewolf?
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[cspurgeon] [-- Pipes talk
[cybaea] ninja warewolf?
[gregbiggers] davidcrow? who ningosity
[AaronF_] aboat
[RemyDWD] I would've gone to pipes but after that earlier yahoo talk, I think I've had my fill
[cspurgeon] Surprising how boring they've made the first few minutes of the Pipes talk
*AKChris is at Piipes talk to-- web meltdown imminent
[gregbiggers] is there felt in the pipes talk?
[O_RLY] the map reduce talk is interesting
[shadowstorm] felt can only be featured in a talk if it can be rubbed
[cybaea] we need bigger wifi pipes...
[tengi] the pipes are wrapped in felt
[AKChris] no felt, not feeling it, don't feel felt
[O_RLY] yahoo felt my pipes
[perch__] O_RLY++
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[tengi] somebody doing a transparent proxy on port 80?
[AKChris] Sulu, engage backup video
[davidcrow] @gregbiggers: the ninjosity principle: any movie is made infinitely better with the addition of ninja
[cybaea] “There is a role for your hard drive.”
[KevinMarks] hm, mapreduce talk is by a google chap, I can get this at home
[gregbiggers] tengi is that the same as rubbing felt?
[O_RLY] map reduce talk is good++ for data geeks
[ikisai] i thought this WASNT a pitch for wesabe
[mediaserf] ninja rubs felt without a sound
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[tengi] not *exactly*
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[missrogue] Mark should have wore black for a more ninjesque appearance
[davidcrow] if a ninja rubs felt is it felt?
[AKChris] you'll never even know the ninja rubbed your felt until they are gone
[O_RLY] in soviet russia, ninja felt rubs you!
[KevinMarks] privacy or pipes - which is cool?
[jscott_] hhmm
[davidcrow] O_RLY++
[mediaserf] whoa so this is like a pitch for wesabi?
[RemyDWD] KevinMarks: Privacy. You're not allowed to go to Yahoo sessions by choice.
[therealjeb_] Two things about etech:
[cybaea] mediaserf: not sure yet, but looks like it....
[RemyDWD] mediaserf: Don't think so, I think this is Lessons Learned style
[seanbonner] I'm in Pipes and there's no bandwith so he can't demo it
[therealjeb_] 1) The talk-awesomeness is inversely proportional to lateness in day
[KevinMarks] I can go to yahoo sessions and heckle
[AaronF_] aboat
[davidcrow] "The Internet is a global public resource that must remain open and accessible"
[therealjeb_] 2) the probability oof the talk being a product pitch approaches 1 as the day gets later.
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[davidcrow] I thought it was a series of tubes
[missrogue] seanbonner: oh...that totally sux for the presenter!
[O_RLY] the pipes are clogged - call the plumber
[jruderman] davidcrow: lol
[O_RLY] yahoo drano
[mediaserf] the tubes are clogged
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[mediaserf] Al Gore should have made the tubes bigger
[seanbonner] missrogue: oh yeah it does, definitely need to precache those pages
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[O_RLY] yahoo stuffed felt in my internet's tubes
[seanbonner] The pipes are stuck in the tubes
[blosx] any pipe sufficiently clogged resembles magic
[gregbiggers] the pipes guy needs to hook up w/ the zimbra guy
[cspurgeon] brilliant
[RemyDWD] gregbiggers: What, and form an informercial Voltron?
[gregbiggers] then he could make pipes look like outlook, and do it without even connecting to the net
[davidcrow] @gregbiggers: and rub the felt
[missrogue] this is why we took screens for all of our presentations...we learnt once the hard way
[tengi] he needs to take his pipes offline?
[ikisai] UK tubes are way bigger than American one's ..
[mediaserf] I tried clearing a clogged pipe with AJAX once but it wasn't as good as DRAINO
[perch__] Anyone have any Mr. Plumber for his pipes?
[Brendon] bring your own server in a box if you don't trust the pipes
[mediaserf] in the UK don't you ride to work in tubes?
[factoryjoe] backup movies!
[O_RLY] call roto-rooter, that's the name
[missrogue] Brendon ++
[O_RLY] fear the pipe
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[RemyDWD] This channel is approaching dangerous levels of snark.
[micahsifry] jumped the snark
[davidcrow] ?google ninjosity principle
[tengi] and away go troubles... down the drain
[jibot] Search for ninjosity principle: 0.326 seconds. Showing first 2 of 2 sites
[jibot] David Crow: It's good to have principles... - http://davidcrow.ca/article/1233/its-good-to-have-principles
[jibot] Search :: MyFeedSpace.com :: all the latest from YOUR favorite sites - http://www.myfeedspace.com/search/articles/datea-1/cGhpbG9zb3BoeQ==
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[gregbiggers] helpful as in a shotgun
[tengi] port 80 appears to be back
*le_ is away. Automatically set away [SZon]
[ikisai] I know i have a bigger pipe than most americans i know - unless they have one of them FTTH ones
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[segfault1010] trojans = success. so true...
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[tengi] ikisai: thanks for sharing :-)
[AKChris] chris doesnt want to know how ikisai knows that
[seanbonner] So, in addition to the bad bandwith, the guy showing off Pipes needs to drink some coffee I think
[factoryjoe] 3) the cloggage of the tubes is proportionate to levels of snark in the backchannel
[O_RLY] let me know if the pipes talk starts workign again - thinking of checking it out
[KevinMarks] I was just talking to Bob Frankston, who wants to build a pipe-based internet in alaska
[missrogue] I like seeing people with a Pipes tee on and saying, "Nice Pipes" I know. I'm ridiculous
[jruderman] snark or snarkiness?
[tengi] factoryjoe++
[seanbonner] He's moved to a quicktime video demo now
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[gregbiggers] KevinMarks++
[seanbonner] rather than showing it realtime
[AKChris] kevinmarks: he was talking to me at the break
[Brendon] Is cloggage inverse to talk goodness?
[missrogue] seanbonner: he came prepared! Good thinking
[perch__] Pipes is like Prograph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prograph
[AKChris] good thing too since uncled ted stevens knows all about them pipes
[O_RLY] no - the pipe should flow better as suck increases
[KevinMarks] he must have been here last year
[factoryjoe] it's also proportionate to the amount a speaker relies on having a live net cxn
[cspurgeon] seanbonner, exactly. This guy just isn't really on fire as a presenter.
[missrogue] KevinMarks: lol
[shadowstorm] Okay, Ninja talker is now draining my energy
[shadowstorm] sugar dip
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[RemyDWD] shadowstorm: It's a ninja trap. Sleep poison voice.
[seanbonner] cspurgeon: he's putting me to sleep
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[cspurgeon] Yeah. And it's such a cool product.
[sexygirl153b] shaver's talking about people falling into septic tanks - you're all missing out
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[factoryjoe] this guy must be a ninja
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[ikisai] is that a Ninja remote
[seanbonner] That's kinda what I was hoping to see more of, the cool interesting product stuff
[factoryjoe] or a rock climber
[le_] not enough ninjas so far
[O_RLY] ninja shoots poison dart using yahoo pipe
[davidcrow] shaver++
[factoryjoe] his forearms look ideal for throwing chinese stars
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[missrogue] People falling into septic tanks? That's almost as good as showing cats.
[O_RLY] DEFRAG
*AKChris is feeling veeery sleeepy
[missrogue] We showed many cats
[seanbonner] Someone is smoking yahoo! pipes
[TomCoates] so what are you kids up to in here?
[sexygirl153b] shaver is droning a little, unfortunately
[mediaserf] sorry I hit the guy with a blowdart
[factoryjoe] davidcrow: what'd shaver say?
[jruderman] has anyone done that youtube search?
[missrogue] (our secret to a successful presentation)
[RemyDWD] The guy in front of me in Ninjas keeps shaking his head. Resembling a bobblehead
[shadowstorm] Oh. Your. God.
[cybaea] the ninja pairs are not great speakers.... Shame it is an interesting subject
[KevinMarks] the mapreduce one is interesting if you're geeky
[shadowstorm] Ninja talker now not ninjaish
[O_RLY] Oh. My. Dog
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[cybaea] RemyDWD: iS THAT ME?
[shadowstorm] He's a ninjanabee
[jruderman] because if shaver was just making that up, we might have to push him into a septic tank
*cybaea didn't mean the caps....
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[O_RLY] eric the ninjabee
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[factoryjoe] ninja cookies for cross site killing spree!
[missrogue] Sucking cookies...
[seanbonner] I so wish that AskANinja would show up and kill the other ninja
[le_] cookie sucking
[RemyDWD] cybaea: Unless you're balding, have a hand up to your face, and don't have a laptop, no
[factoryjoe] seanbonner++
[mediaserf] @cybaea that's ok that slide was lacking caps so the room is balanced now
[sexygirl153b] newsflash: mozilla likes standards
[davidcrow] factoryjoe: he's just talking about web standards and being open and interoperability
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*cybaea has a laptop....
*mediaserf thinks this session would be better presented by Bruce Schneier
[Brendon] Moving to MapReduce
[factoryjoe] indeed
*O_RLY has a lap
[crowder] mediaserf: Which session?
[factoryjoe] Chuck Norris Schneier
*AKChris thinks THIS session would be better presented by anyone
[mediaserf] @crowder ninja-security
[shadowstorm] Clearly a ninja absconded with this guy's personality
[sexygirl153b] AKChris: which session?
[RemyDWD] I want the guys from Ninja to do presentation karaoke tonight
[AKChris] pipes
[cybaea] Please: somebody give this speaker some training ....
[O_RLY] bruce schneirer presents this session - with his feet
[therealjeb_] map/reduce is badass.
[factoryjoe] ohmicode
[RemyDWD] Which you better all be coming to
[sexygirl153b] ahh - pasha sadri?
[ikisai] ooooo exceptions
[cybaea] rails exceptions
[missrogue] Presenting is not easy...he's sufficiently privacy geek...
[cybaea] hex codes++
[ikisai] why is map.reduce so badass?
[shadowstorm] midgets
[shadowstorm] on fire
[sexygirl153b] because google made it
[KevinMarks] damn, I forgot the chap who I was talking to's name, and he'd swapped badges
[O_RLY] bc it makes working with big data sets relatively easy
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[AKChris] not sure-- there are two presenters...
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[O_RLY] the drawback - you can't have it!
[davidcrow] @cybaea: where?
[therealjeb_] well it makes it plausible for someone of normal brainjuice to write hihgly parallel code.
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[jibot] jgoldman is online and an all around swell cat. and the President of Radiant Core, Inc., designers of the Official Firefox 2 Theme. He blogs at www.radiantcore.com and wearing nice glasses
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[jgoldman] ?forget jgoldman is wearing nice glasses
[jibot] I now only know that jgoldman is online and an all around swell cat. and the President of Radiant Core, Inc., designers of the Official Firefox 2 Theme. He blogs at www.radiantcore.com
[factoryjoe] http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/images/bruce-schneier-1.jpg
[KevinMarks] yes you can
[cybaea] davidcrow: ninja hex codes
[ikisai] ok map/reduce does sound good
[seanbonner] You know what rules? When a presenter shows you an "example of something you can do with XXX product" and follows that example up by saying that this was really complex and hard to do
[KevinMarks] http://weblogs.java.net/blog/tomwhite/archive/2005/09/mapreduce.html
[Brendon] MapReduce is waking me up again!
[shadowstorm] encrypt the locker...with...theeee....uh....locker...fairy....with a plunger
[missrogue] I am still troubled by wesabe, though. I can't seem to get past putting my banking password in.
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[cybaea] ninja--
[davidcrow] you can be a guy with a blog and the industry can't ignore you? really?
[O_RLY] woot hadoop
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[sexygirl153b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadoop ++
[jgoldman] .me is ignoring davidcrow on behalf of the industry
[jgoldman] heh.
[mediaserf] glad they put the speaker dude back on
[KevinMarks] Doug Cutting is up after the google mapreduce chap
[davidcrow] jgoldman--
[BigD] for a non dev, he's not giving enuf of a map to the example (map/reduce)
[shadowstorm] Oh thank Ninja, Mark is back to talking in the Ninja locker talk
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[seanbonner] OK, I can't take anymore of this pipe, where should I go?
[BigD] i kinda get it, but strugglin
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[cybaea] this is the better ninja
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[ikisai] master ninja
[missrogue] He should still wear more black, though. :)
[wkearney_lap] hmmm, wildly off topic or boring as sin... tough call on which is worse....
[seanbonner] maybe I'll just go get coffee
[factoryjoe] and a mask
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[RemyDWD] Yeah, I'm kind of wondering why Wesabe isn't a desktop app
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[therealjeb] oh man i hope this poor dude you guys are snarkin on doesn't read this.
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[cybaea] therealjeb++
[KevinMarks] sean will mail it to him later
[factoryjoe] Apollo Wesabe would be cool
[shadowstorm] He should read it
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[missrogue] Which guy are you talking about therealjeb?
[RemyDWD] factoryjoe: Bingo
[shadowstorm] the true ninja will face his own worst enemy
[AKChris] it's called constructive criticism
[seanbonner] I've been posting all the logs on seanbonner.com
[sexygirl153b] and/or bitching
[therealjeb] it doesn't seem very constructive.
[factoryjoe] Quicken on Mac sux
[cybaea] seanbonner++
[therealjeb] its just like "hes bad"
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[factoryjoe] i was hoping wesabe would've been a good replacement
[therealjeb] not "the following things would make him better"
[shadowstorm] but the other guy *was* bad
[seanbonner] I'm extremely pro-transparent heckling
[RemyDWD] therealjeb: He's not here, and we're trying to follow his talk
[missrogue] I like Mark Hedlund and this privacy stuff is very interesting
[seanbonner] if you are making dumb mistakes you should know it so you can fix it next time
[AKChris] I've had some heckling wen I've spoken-- it's ok, I learned from it
[RemyDWD] Hard to write a meaningful list while trying to pay attention
[tengi] "Almost everything is now possible in a browser" (if you have puppets and remember to carry the one)
[albertoescarlate] as opposed to smart mistakes
[wkearney99] it used to be the presentations were good but the food was bad. I'd rather go back to bad food.
[AKChris] smart mistakes are shiny
[mediaserf] tengi++
[missrogue] therealjeb...it wouldn't make him 'better' as a speaker, it would make him a better ninja... ;)
[davidcrow] "Transparent community-based processes promote participation, accountability and trust."
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[albertoescarlate] you don't need to fix smart mistakes
[O_RLY] hadoop++
[sexygirl153b] mozilla wont put the doom engine into firefox :'(
[wkearney99] I say we electrify the stage and hook it up to a web service...
[ikisai] more logs, ninja logs, nlogs
[wkearney99] ] zap[
[benchristen_] that's his real password
[cybaea] sexygirl153b: why not??
[davidcrow] wasn't netscape the doom engine?
[jgoldman] someone should make a Doom Add-On
[davidcrow] jgoldman++
[sexygirl153b] cybaea: they want a generalized 3d engine instead
[jgoldman] someone other than me should make a Doom Add-On
[sexygirl153b] so it's all good
[cybaea] ninja log files --
[jgoldman] didn't Arthur C. Clarke say that any technology sufficiently advanced will run doom?
[therealjeb] my theory of fun has shipped.
[therealjeb] it'll be back at my desk before i am.
[therealjeb] AMAZON YOU RULE
[cybaea] sexygirl153b: good is the new good
[AKChris] hey, so is the werewolf thing worth going to? I've never tried it
[therealjeb] BEZOS IF I SEE YOU AGAIN ILL HUG YOU
[therealjeb] OR YOU VOGELS
[RemyDWD] Fake name-dropping
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*wkearney99 makes mental note to warn Bezos...
[sexygirl153b] AKChris: sure. can be fun
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[RemyDWD] I'm unconvinced by his "what would have been her password"
[shadowstorm] random hugging is the fall of western society
[KevinMarks] yikes, "A Pattern Language" costs $40
[therealjeb] thats why i bought that other book
[AKChris] worth every penny
[therealjeb] that turned out to suck
[sexygirl153b] i bit the bullet and ordered it
[jameshome] it's worth it
[davidcrow] "Commercial involvement in the development of the Internet brings many benefits; a balance between commercial goals and public benefit is critical."
[cspurgeon] Kevin, it's worth it.
[factoryjoe] who needs the doom engine in firefox?
[therealjeb] "notes...form"
[therealjeb] it was a false economy.
[jgoldman] factoryjoe: who needs the doom engine in their kodak camera?
[factoryjoe] just use it in javascript: http://databay.invorbereitung.de/projekte/ay/js/
[cybaea] did anybody implement nethack in firefox?
[sexygirl153b] factoryjoe: doom playing web surfers
[RemyDWD] Why would you scrub timestamps?
[seanbonner] factoryjoe: Who doesn't?
[davidcrow] a doom engine in firefox, isn't that when you make firefox use webkit instead of gecko?
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[jgoldman] http://digita.mame.net/
[RemyDWD] Why not just scrub the whole fucking log?
[AKChris] they need a doom watch since my pacman watch died
[sexygirl153b] "not all software in the world should be free" - Mike Shaver, Mozilla
[shadowstorm] wow, you can see what time somebody logged in from a timestamp??
[mediaserf] logs are bad for privacy
[shadowstorm] All these years!
[cybaea] jgoldman++ for link
[mediaserf] /var/wtmp++
[cspurgeon] And if you want to get further into the whole "underlying theory of architecture thing" you may want to also check out "How Buildings Learn" by Stewart Brand.
[KevinMarks] OK, I'll but it, y'all had better be right
[cybaea] ninja name dropping
[therealjeb] Man I have been meaning to read how buildings learn forever.
[le_] everytime cory is mentioned, drink
[therealjeb] Its good?
[KevinMarks] I read Jane Jacobs...
[jgoldman] KevinMarks: you can collectively kick our asses at next year's ETech
[ikisai] i likd having doom on my phone for a while but damn my thumb started ti hurt
[AKChris] the KevinMarks Collective will be performing?
[davidcrow] Jane Jacobs is an interesting study of urbanism
[factoryjoe] http://digita.mame.net/P0000714.jpg
[RemyDWD] Haha, now *that* was rich
[missrogue] Jane Jacobs ++
[cybaea] insider != whistleblower
[KevinMarks] theory of fun is only $15
[RemyDWD] mouthbeef++
[seanbonner] janejacobs++
[therealjeb] whilst true (Jane Jacobs++)
[sexygirl153b] factoryjoe: is that real!?
[cspurgeon] Kevin, I bet you'll like it.
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[jgoldman] sexygirl153b: yeah
[missrogue] I was lucky enough to meet Jane once
[sexygirl153b] *wow*
[mediaserf] I bet its really easy to take a screenshot during gameplay
[cspurgeon] wow
[davidcrow] missrogue: really?
[therealjeb] Jane Jacobs was way ahead of the curve on the whole Canada thing.
[missrogue] She lived in my old hood in Toronto: The Annex
[factoryjoe] mediaserf++
[jgoldman] mediaserf: only with a complex array of mirrors
*seanbonner is totally envious of missrogue right now
[cspurgeon] Me too!
*missrogue now has a totally viable claim to fame. Feelin' good...
[missrogue] ;)
[ikisai] i need a new back
[therealjeb] go to the makefest
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[cspurgeon] Let's make it official...
[factoryjoe] did the ninja get to you?
[seanbonner] Jane Jacobs was canadian way before it was cool. All your Radient Core johnny come latelys take note.
[davidcrow] we did a drunken pilgrimage past Jane Jacobs house a couple of months ago
[cspurgeon] missrogue++
[crowder] It's cool to be Canadian?
[missrogue] seanbonner lol
[crowder] I didn't know that.
[cybaea] fuzzy data, felt data
[ikisai] thats a good idea , maybe someone can hack the pain out of my back
[jgoldman] crowder: it's because it's cold so often.
[davidcrow] it's cold being Canadian
[crowder] jgoldman: Ah
[missrogue] crowder: um, yeah...!
[shadowstorm] that's just what the Canadians want you to believe
[tengi] pipes now supports kml
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[jibot] gregbiggers is a hackable wifi clockradio who is in the anonymized dataspace and indistinguishable from magic and was, for a short evening, davidcrow with extra badass and McCool
[cspurgeon] Pipes output in KML!!! That's cool!
[KevinMarks] fuzzy felts? who else remembers those?
[shadowstorm] especially during the cold winters with the young warrior Nanuck
[RemyDWD] KevinMarks: Were they rubbable?
[KevinMarks] you can feed kml straight into maps
[mediaserf] Nanuck++ don't eat the yellow snow
[le_] zomg i can't wait for snax
[jgoldman] all yr f3lt5 are rubbable
[KevinMarks] using a HTTP pipe
[le_] i hope they have cupcakes
[tengi] jgoldman++
[davidcrow] crowder: its hard out here for a Canadian
[cybaea] jgoldman++
[le_] eff.org/osp
[tengi] davidcrow: you coulda been on the grammys
[missrogue] all yr f3lt5 r belong to us
[crowder] Whoever's in the "Manifesto" session should come up front after Mike's done, we'll be giving out ph4t l00t
[cybaea] le_++
[crowder] T-shirts, mouse-pads, buttons, etc.
[davidcrow] http://tinyurl.com/2ut34x
[seanbonner] I WANT PHAT L00TZ!
[jgoldman] free browsers...
[seanbonner] LOLERSKATEZ!!!11!
[davidcrow] crowder: I hope it's stickers
[cybaea] free ninja wiretaps.
[missrogue] Wow...building sites that deal with financial data is hard.
[seanbonner] i hope it's a car
[crowder] I think we have -some- stickers, I need to look
[ikisai] more fake tattoos
[crowder] No tats, I think.. :(
[missrogue] (probably why they need to be ninjas)
[jgoldman] copies of IE7
[mediaserf] ninjas don't use uppercase...ever...it gives away your position
[davidcrow] crowder: I hope it's google money
[ikisai] where is the tat supposed to go
[crowder] heh
[cybaea] Joe "ninja" Criminal
[jgoldman] davidcrow++
[crowder] Google Money Beta?
[therealjeb] speaking of stickers, if you listen to the radio here, they have a station, on FM, with no music. Dudes just talk. Forever. A guy on it yesterday talked about how he thought stickers were dumb for a solid 20 minutes.
[KevinMarks] Apple--
[therealjeb] And I listened to it. So I guess I'm not one to talk.
[stevegio] yakuza....
[seanbonner] how come every person who asks a question has a british accent?
[davidcrow] crowder: just money, from google
*tengi wouldn't mind some of googl's money
[AKChris] so pretty much like every AM station?
[cybaea] therealjeb: That radio has an 'off' button??
[AaronF_] BigD,
[gregbiggers] i am surprised there aren't more people in mapreduce
[factoryjoe] joe "pirate" criminal
[davidcrow] I'd like a googl of Google's money
[le_] snacksssss
[AaronF_] BigD, final results are posted
[crowder] davidcrow: You should start a blog or something. :)
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[TomCoates] who's in what and what's good?
[KevinMarks] Google checkout gives you google money, $10 at a time
[missrogue] For halloween, I'm going to be a ninja pirate
[seanbonner] OK I'm going to get coffee. see everyone outside
[AKChris] snacktime from pipes
*davidcrow imitates Rodney Dangerfield "I can't get no respect"
[TomCoates] am in Map Reduce and sort of have no real clue what it's all about
[jgoldman] TomCoates: shaver's Mozilla Manifesto is pretty cool
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[cybaea] TomCoates: Super Ninja Privacy --
[ikisai] if he says wesabe 1 more time........ i thought this wasn't about wesabe, damn i typed it agian
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[gregbiggers] is a blog like twitter except persistent?
[crowder] heh
[RemyDWD] gregbiggers: It also tends to be more stable.
[BigD] AaronF_: woohoo!!!
[hober] in what way is twitter not persistent?
[factoryjoe] no
[therealjeb] its like twitter but you can make things blink
[davidcrow] it's like twitter without the down time
[factoryjoe] therealjeb++
[mediaserf] davidcrow++

Another backchannel after the jump, this one from the session "Patterns: From Fabrics to Fabrication" by Make Magazine's Dale Dougherty.

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[TomCoates] hehe
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[KevinMarks] seanbonner++
[RemyDWD] No match for "RUBTHEFELT.COM".
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*mediaserf registered it 20 minutes ago
[davidcrow] voyeur jokes
[O_RLY] dale likes to watch
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[holgate] rub the felt, smell the glove
[BigD] fix the machine Igor!
[cybaea] mediaserf++
[gregbiggers] craft++
[O_RLY] if it's not scottish, it's craft!
[therealjeb] haaahahwaha
[mediaserf] Note to self: Rubbing the felt with AJAX causes the color to fade
[BigD] O_RLY: "I LOVE YOUUUUUU"
[davidcrow] O_RLY++
[Charo] "Field of Women"
[seanbonner] playing_with_a_bullwhip++
[gregbiggers] "you might remember playing with a bullwhip once"
[O_RLY] make: feel the bullwhip
[BigD] that tech guy looks cool
[sexygirl153] World os (war)craft
[sexygirl153] *of
[todbot] WoC?
[therealjeb] MAn where is the epic genius freaks VIDEO
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[RemyDWD] World Of Craft would be a great MMO.
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[O_RLY] timmiy, have you ever played with a bullwhip?
[KevinMarks] I want to start a conference on submerging technologies
[holgate] world of needlecraft
[mouthbeef] RemyDWD++
[BigD] we could group up and knit
[therealjeb] Level 60 Needlepointress
[cspurgeon_] O_RLY++
[AKChris] World of craft, Quest for the Golden Knitting Needle
[mediaserf] therealjeb++
[cybaea] sedandawk
[holgate] sewing circles instead of guilds
[mediaserf] bell labs++
[jameshome] awk++
[tengi] O_RLY++
[therealjeb] new jersey--
[AKChris] sed++
[therealjeb] OTOH worse is better ++
[jameshome] hst++
[sexygirl153] therealjeb: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=9b4155e4ff782eb8f77052c42c898b09.910357&vback=Studio
[segfault1010] seweing cirlces instead of guilds == ultima online
[tengi] new jersey++
[therealjeb] @sexygirl153: thanks
[O_RLY] s/popular science/make
[jgoldman] christopheralexander++
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[therealjeb] Everyone says C. Alexander is awesome, but I started reading "Notes on the Synthesis of Forms" and I wasn't diggin it.
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[jameshome] that's the wrong book to start with
[jameshome] start with 'A Pattern Language'
[jgoldman] agreed
[RemyDWD] A Pattern Language: http://www.amazon.com/Pattern-Language-Buildings-Construction-Environmental/dp/0195019199/
[cspurgeon_] Yes, I think he might have gone a bit around the bend with that.
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[therealjeb] Jevon?
[therealjeb] from firestoker?
[jgoldman] likely
[seanbonner] "one of the ways Kraftwerks"
[jameshome] APL is good even if you don't get his religion
[holgate] there's an online adaptation of A Pattern Language. Or was.
[davidcrow] yeah, that's who that was
[jameshome] it's terrible tho
[therealjeb] See, CANADIANS ARE ALL UP IN EVERYTHING
[jgoldman] the toronto crew have discovered the IRC :)
[davidcrow] we're sneaky
[jameshome] the online version
[AKChris] textile++
[davidcrow] textile++
[cybaea] Does textile have an API?
[therealjeb] This reminds me, WHy aren't hackers more into Looms?
[therealjeb] seriously?
[AKChris] real hackers tat
[cspurgeon_] "Notes..." reminds me of "A New Kind of Science"...I've got the explanation for EVERYTHING.
[sexygirl153] technoloomm++
[therealjeb] Looms seem like they are the most hacker friendly archaetech possible?
[cybaea] looms? dooms?
[davidcrow] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textile_(markup_language)
[therealjeb] jaquard looms etc.
[RemyDWD] therealjeb: They don't integrate with Twitter.
[gregbiggers] long threads--
[therealjeb] oh yeah duh.
[cspurgeon_] heh
[jameshome] hrm
[AKChris] Try Knittr
[jameshome] USB loom
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[seanbonner] Looms have no API
[cybaea] therealjeb++
[jgoldman] AKChris++
[gregbiggers] pesky wabbit crafter
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[tengi] what about the woof?
[cybaea] AKChris++
[holgate] http://downlode.org/etext/patterns/
[sexygirl153] shedding, picking, beating - an interesting weekend
[O_RLY] and then beck wove us all friendship bracelets
[mediaserf] sexygirl153++
[cybaea] Somebody registered it: http://knittr.com/
[cspurgeon_] Treddles *are* the loom API
[dpm] later looms did... like IBM punch card pattern things as I recall...
[AKChris] the debate about mulithreading really hurt the infant loom hacking clique
[O_RLY] shedding, picking, and beating - three things you shouldnt do in public
[sexygirl153] AKChris++
[RemyDWD] AKChris: Boo.
[therealjeb] yeah
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[dpm] AKChris: groan!
[davidcrow] can you compress the weave with Zipf?
[therealjeb] Jaquard Looms
[todbot] don't fear the weaver
[therealjeb] they are like the first API
[BigD] can you make felt on a loom?
[therealjeb] of anything
[therealjeb] jacquard?
[segfault1010] todbot++
[therealjeb] idk how to spell it.
[AKChris] hey, I'm no spider robinson
[tengi] AKChris++
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[cybaea] AKChris: please.....
[seanbonner] Didn't Dave Weiner invest twill?
[seanbonner] invent
[KevinMarks] Jaquard had punched cards
[O_RLY] now, I'd like to move on to traditional japanese rope bondage ...
[RemyDWD] seanbonner: That's why Userland's support is so thread-barren
[gregbiggers] seanbonner++
[cybaea] pac man cross stitching?
[stormville] dave weaver
[andy2u] did anybody go to the Global Nomad/ SLeep BOF last night?
[seanbonner] RemyDWD++
[therealjeb] man this is cool.
[jameshome] USB shibari?
[crowder] andy2u: not I, what was it re:?
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[AKChris] like at the tattoo parlor
[TomCoates_] Is it just me or are the seats here profoundly uncomfortable? My back is killing me
[O_RLY] a four-port hub
[cybaea] http://g42.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=PacmanCrossstitchHuge
[sexygirl153] why the 's' on lyon?
[AKChris] s/back/ass then yes
[seanbonner] how much silk can you connect to this hub before it overloads?
[andy2u] nodding with tomcoates
*cybaea thinks the seats are uncomfortable
[therealjeb] I wonder if you could write a slow-ass terminal driver for one of these looms.
[cspurgeon_] About to get to Jaccard
[mediaserf] conferencechairs--
*sexygirl153 agrees
[therealjeb] and run ncurses apps on it.
[RemyDWD] How many yarns can he spin before I conk out?
[therealjeb] or nethack
[cybaea] nethack++
[cybaea] ?karma nethack
[jibot] nethack has 3 points
[crowder] RemyDWD: I was just yawning and wondering something similar
[AKChris] oh the web we weave
[O_RLY] young boy - harnesses ...
[therealjeb] so we can replace him with TTL+solenoids.
[todbot] no armrests
[crowder] Is someone running a nethack server so we can all share bones files?
[crowder] ;)
[BigD] yeah, my posterior is sore
*cybaea graos at AKChris
[gregbiggers] silk weaving sounds like most of enterprise sw today
[sexygirl153] if this turns out to be an ad for ruby on rails i'll be angry
*cybaea groans at AKChris
[therealjeb] SilkWeaving sounds like a name of an enterprise software package.
[crowder] sexygirl153: *laugh*
[RemyDWD] Anyone know what's for lunch?
*AKChris remains unchagrined
[seanbonner] "...which brings me to AJAX"
[davidcrow] sexygirl13++
[KevinMarks] looks liek we predicted the punchline again
[crowder] sexygirl153: What if it's an ad for PHP? Will that be okay?
[segfault1010] we may go two talks in a row with no mention of magic
[BigD] whatever wasn't eaten yesterday
[davidcrow] sexygirl153++
[sexygirl153] crowder: hell no
[gregbiggers] puchcards are what you use to help you get your joke-telling timing just right
[KevinMarks] jacquard inspired babbage
[sexygirl153] seanbonner+++
[mediaserf] php++
[therealjeb] I hope when these were first inveted they were called "Automatic Drawboys"
[crowder] sexygirl153: Wow, you're picky
[mouthbeef] wireless drawboys 2.09
[jgoldman] tehrealjeb: iDrawboy, actually.
[AKChris] I totally dig the engineering on that old machinery...
[seanbonner] sexygirl153: how about if it's an add for C++
[AKChris] beautiful stuff
[therealjeb] me too
*crowder was mildly tuned out working, wtf is this guy even talking about?
[therealjeb] i also like that they decorated it.
[davidcrow] jgoldman: that's a subset of NAMBLA
[O_RLY] cue raymond scott soundtrack
[stormville] this is cool, it reminds me of george dyson's talk last year
[todbot] old school 3D printing
[RemyDWD] Loom porn
[davidcrow] seanbonner: it's actually an ad for IBM punch cards
[sexygirl153] seanbonner: that would work for me
[therealjeb] Thats a video of threadless' headquarters
[O_RLY] this is making me tingly
[segfault1010] when is someone going to tell him that glass isn't clear?
[cybaea] rhythm++
[mediaserf] the ability to destroy a planet is insignifigant next to the power of the loom
[sexygirl153] therealjeb++
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[seanbonner] punchcards are way more secure than RFID
[AKChris] you mean george dyson's talk last year that was word for word from the year before?
[O_RLY] therejob++
[RemyDWD] Did he say he was streaming that?
[therealjeb] oh man that vid was cool.
[wkearney_lap] yes, GO ON...
[seanbonner] and more reliable than SyQuest
[davidcrow] seanbonner: punchcards are RFID 2.0
[albertoescarlate] punchcards can cause paper cut
[gregbiggers] thread abstraction
[therealjeb] NIcholas Gesser. Great name for academia
[wkearney_lap] oy, who the fuck vetted these session selections?
*cybaea wants to loose his body as well
[todbot] no way, i can flickr your punchcard with a telephoto lens and steal ur data
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[O_RLY] cool
[gregbiggers] process of infomration losing its body. sounds like the first hints of lisp
[therealjeb] holy shit that bible RULES
[davidcrow] todbot++
[sexygirl153] it's all lists!
[RemyDWD] 4000 != 24000
[cspurgeon_] THAT was one impressive bit of weaving.
[RemyDWD] Oh I see
[therealjeb] Dude FLICKER SHOULD SO HAVE AN API THAT PUBLISHES TO THOSE
[wkearney_lap] jeebus, even if I was at a conference ABOUT weaving this would be boring as all get the fuck out.
[sexygirl153] it already does
[KevinMarks] surely ocne they had the cards they could make lots of them
[sexygirl153] &format=punchcard
[O_RLY] three days later, the first goatse was produced
[crowder] oooh. light at the end of the tunnel?
[therealjeb] hahahaa
[davidcrow] first you get the api, then you get the cards, then you get the power
[gregbiggers] typeface?
[jgoldman] ALL CAPS IS HIGHLY LEGIBLE
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[therealjeb] Bank Gothic?
[seanbonner] I thought Al Gore created the computer?
[KevinMarks] first person to program a jacquard loom with the mandelbrot set wins
[stormville] availing myself of the same beautiful invention
[davidcrow] I thought Al Gore created the loom?
[mediaserf] seanbonner++
[tengi] seanbonner: no, he only invented the Internet
[jrnoded] no gore created tubes
[RemyDWD] davidcrow: Dave Winer contests that fact.
[seanbonner] therealjeb: yes, bank gothic small caps
[BigD] i kinda like his font
[RemyDWD] And the fact that he wasn't here to speak on it only proves it.
[sexygirl153] BigD++
[BigD] bookman?
[mediaserf] RemyDWD++
[jgoldman] dave winer contests everyhing
[davidcrow] RemyDWD++
[gregbiggers] algore created the envelope that is used for passing the punchcards around
*crowder is way too busy trying to figure out where sexygirl153 sits, to program
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[cspurgeon_] The slides look a bit like sidebars from Tufte books.
[segfault1010] jeff jonas should have illustrated his slides
[sexygirl153] cspurgeon_++
[seanbonner] Can anyone confirm or deny that Yahoo! Pipes was originally called Yahoo! Tubes?
[crowder] heh, Jonas' slides were awesome
[therealjeb] yah the whole ecru/red combo
[davidcrow] I heard William Shatner is doing a one man play of this talk later today with puppets
[KevinMarks] RSS n'est pas une pipe
[BigD] tufte++
[O_RLY] couldn't we just read the wikipedia page for this?
[RemyDWD] davidcrow: Is it titled "Rub The Felt"?
[jameshome] are they piping diesel fumes into the room?
[jgoldman] davidcrow++
[seanbonner] davidcrow: I'd pay $5 to see that
[therealjeb] No way I've read this wikipedia page
[AKChris] The best book about babbage (and production, counterfeiting, cultural value, warhold and a lot more): http://tinyurl.com/2wzw2e
[crowder] seanbonner: I can deny it, but my denial is meaningless and empty
[davidcrow] it's actually Rub
[davidcrow] the
[RemyDWD] jameshome: We need that french fry smell from yesterday
[O_RLY] ha ha
[therealjeb] this is better
[davidcrow] Felt
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[KevinMarks] countdown to ada lovelace
[tengi] davidcrow++
[therealjeb] "As you probably know, Danny Hillis built this thing"
[cybaea] What is the 529'th digit of pi?
[sexygirl153] my ada senses are tingling
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[therealjeb] "It plays tic tac toe"
[BigD] 7
[stormville] ada to flickr
[Ewan_] cybaea, I don;t know, but I can square it really quickly
[jameshome] ding
[KevinMarks] bing!
[sexygirl153] BINGO!
[BigD] i'm and excellent driver
[therealjeb] sexygirl153++
[davidcrow] sexygirl153++
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[jibot] cspurgeon is Chris Spurgeon who lives in Los Angeles and blogs about the intersection of technology, culture, and art at http://www.spurgeonworld.com/blog/
[O_RLY] lonlygirl1
[davidcrow] good work Cal
[mediaserf] Ewan_++
[tengi] Ewan_: just remember to carry the one
[O_RLY] lady ada went on to invent the steam-powered webcam
[AKChris] automata are more interesting
[todbot] O_RLY++
[sexygirl153] turing in 4 slides?
[AKChris] at that time
[RemyDWD] Ooh, a cellphone!
[davidcrow] I think it forgot to carry the one
[seanbonner] punch cards = hanging chads
[BigD] ladyadacam
[KevinMarks] IBM first and votes counting
[jgoldman] seanbonner+
[jgoldman] +
[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[sexygirl153] KevinMarks++
[jameshome] lonelyada15
[jgoldman] KevinMarks++
[O_RLY] and so, jaquard begat babbage, who begat hollerith, who ...
[davidcrow] O_RLY++
[therealjeb] Clearly IBM is using the same branding firm to this day.
[cspurgeon] Man, I *so* want an IBM 405.
[jgoldman] not going any further? how will we know how it ends?!
[RemyDWD] Ooh, seanbonner for the win.
[seanbonner] Oh snap!
[sexygirl153] KevinMarks+++
[tengi] we don't use them because there's no [blink] card
[therealjeb] tengi++
[therealjeb] and no twitter integration
[davidcrow] not my house
[sexygirl153] tengi++
[davidascher] i have two in my house
[jgoldman] right after the marital aids
[seanbonner] Microsoft owns the trademark to the [blink] card
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[davidcrow] but it was the first machine in my crib
[O_RLY] jg++
[todbot] timhunkin++
[AKChris] the sewing machine, the iron-- those were the days
[crowder] This is the most stretched presentation I have seen during the whole conference
[BigD] great show
[KevinMarks] the first machine? tahts a very narrow definition of machine
[therealjeb] I am into it.
[davidcrow] jgoldman++
[O_RLY] gore skirt?
[todbot] "the secret life of machines" is awesome
[mikekuniavsky] http://www.timhunkin.com/
[crowder] Which speaker was talking about mandating a 90-second limit on presentations?
[sexygirl153] guess how i named my WoW guild? http://blinkguild.com/images/200703/20070315_helmets.png
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[O_RLY] most of the purchased by my aunt
[therealjeb] Are those nutrition facts?
[O_RLY] let the jokes begin
[cybaea] duct tape++
[RemyDWD] May contain nuts.
[O_RLY] mmmph, mmmph!
[BigD] i'd need a lot more duct tape
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[cybaea] It is 9
[O_RLY] cnc music factory
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[therealjeb] That RULES
[gregbiggers] sketchup++
[mediaserf] O_RLY++
[cspurgeon] Everybody Make Now!
[therealjeb] I want to build one of those.
[gregbiggers] O_RLY++
[cybaea] Ewan_: http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery
[tengi] cspurgeon++
[gregbiggers] cspurgeon++
[mediaserf] cspurgeon++
[RemyDWD] This is not a thing that makes me go "hmm", unless followed by "how much longer until lunch"
[therealjeb] Where do they keep this machine shop then?
[BigD] damn hippies
[wkearney_lap] yeah, room for a cnc machine but not a desk?
[jgoldman] RemyDWD++
[AKChris] the fumes must be making people high in here
[mediaserf] RemyDWD++
[albertoescarlate] bigD++
[crowder] wkearney_lap: Gotta make sacrifices
[stormville] ramble much?
[sexygirl153] wkearney_lap++
[O_RLY] mmm, diesel
[jgoldman] they couldn't fit the desk in because they had the CNC machine already.
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[RemyDWD] wkearney_lap: They had a Magic Cap. Who needs real desks?
[cybaea] Lunch in 7 minutes....
[therealjeb] I wdoner if you can put food in that thing
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[wkearney_lap] heh, at least my old 3/400 chassis doubled as one side of the desk...
[O_RLY] then the shop bot goes on a robot rampage ...
[davidcrow] can I make a PDP7 with it
[wkearney_lap] and a heater in the winter.
[crowder] None of this is either technical nor magical
[crowder] Nor "e"ical, really.
[gregbiggers] davidcrow++
[sexygirl153] 3rings++
[cspurgeon] Ooh, isometrics
[jameshome] the Three Rings office is so hott
[davidcrow] or ethical
[BigD] wkearney_lap++
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[seanbonner] Is that a finger puppet in your pocket?
[jameshome] these photos don't do it justice
[TomCoates_] just goes to show
[cybaea] finger puppies!!
[davidcrow] more with the puppets
[O_RLY] pull my puppet
[mediaserf] finger puppets?
[jgoldman] that sounds cheap
[gregbiggers] look! its dick cheney's hand!
[todbot] oi more with the puppets
[wkearney_lap] pfft, hooked up a pdp and make the electric meter scream... two days running and the old man chrewed my ass out for DOUBLING the electric bill that month.
[BigD] um
[jameshome] he's got his finger in the felt
[therealjeb] but its awesomical

After the jump is the #etech backchannel from danah boyd's "Incantations for Muggles: The Role of Ubiquitous Web 2.0 Technologies in Everyday Life" talk this morning.

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[jibot] seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging
[KevinMarks] danah++
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[ikisai] my daughter reads potter, I'll have to ask her what the hell danah is talking about
[BigD] with great power, comes great responsibility
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[BigD] and a side of cole slaw
[RemyDWD] Ooh, shot at twitter.
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[cybaea] Great power corrups greatly
[dpm] magic = magi = ancient persian priestly sect....
[quinn] having to ask your kids what the hell danah is talking about is kind of danah's thing
[KevinMarks] watch the movies with her, ikisai
[cybaea] *corrupts
[mediaserf] a technologists #1 magic trick: Control-Alt-Delete
[AKChris] the books get continually better, just read 'em already
[BigD] is this the lady who usually wears the furry cat hat?
[KevinMarks] the 3rd movie is really good
[cybaea] dpm: Actually, the priests of Persia. Persia became the land of mystery and its priests mysical, magical
[todbot] BigD: yes
[RodBegbie] AKChris: You think? I got horriby bored with them half-way through the fourth.
[tengi] BigD: I think so
[RemyDWD] Finally, a P&T reference
[AKChris] yeah, too bad they change directors every time... cuaron rocks
[RodBegbie] The whole Quidditch world cup nonsense.
[dpm] cybaea: oops... righto... typo from me.
[ikisai] i found out recently that they do an Adult cover for all potter books as well as children ones
[RodBegbie] Here
[benchristen] cuaron++
[therealjeb__] I like the harry potter books on tape cause I like hearing Jim Dale talk.
[jameshome] IT'S MADE OF PEOPLE
[AKChris] RodBegbie: I thiought they got better-- or maybe my tolerance was built up
[cybaea] mediaserf: I prefer the Power Off button
[RodBegbie] Here's the new "covers" for the next book: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/entertainment_enl_1175089753/img/1.jpg
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[AKChris] regardkess, DanahB embiggens all of us
[KevinMarks] or get the audiobooks from amazon.co.uk read by Stephen Fry (not the crappy US ones)
[mediaserf] Soylent magic?
[BigD] how do you QA a bazillion?
[AKChris] stephen fry reads them? I might get that
[gregelin] Harry Potter and The Social Software
[micahsifry] http://www.whatwoulddumbledoredo.com/
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[RodBegbie] back to work for me. have fun sandiegons.
[Charo] Wow, Rod Stewart has aged well...
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[schemish] this is lame
[segfault1010] charo++
[BigD] then death
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[micahsifry] one answer, shut down azkaban, aka Guantanamo Bay: http://www.whatwoulddumbledoredo.com/2006/06/shut_down_azkaban.php
[AKChris] micahsifry++
[schemish] dweebs...
[RemyDWD] Getting distracted by that inexplicable background
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[dpm] strike a pose
[cybaea] purple party people
[BigD] the dweebs, motorheads, sportos,
[mediaserf] doesn't matter whether you were labelled a dweeb, nerd, geek ... we all thought Ferris Bueller was a righteous dude
[AKChris] inexplicable? looks like most of my afer-the-blind-date-crashed moments
[BigD] young people are blurry
[AKChris] buuueeelllleeerrrrr
[RemyDWD] Awesome, the Magic Cap simulator runs under XP
[schemish] eggheads
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[shadowstorm] I thought XP was a magic crap simulator
[cybaea] sad, RemyDWD
[mediaserf] coke bottles never existed?
[todbot] so i could run Magic Cap under XP under Parallels? awesome
[RemyDWD] todbot: Doing so right now
[revolute] iouTube debate.
[therealjeb__] You can take the woman away from Brown, but you can't take the Brown away from the woman.
[schemish] I Love Lucy, anyone?
[RemyDWD] And it's in color, no less
[RemyDWD] Man, there's even a magic lamp in the toolbar. How did THAT not get mentioned?
[BigD] she's depressing me
[cybaea] what was this presentation about?
[dpm] oooo... watch.... the o'reilly name mesh plates moves magically when she gesticulates...
[shadowstorm] it's magical
[RemyDWD] Aren't we all reflecting on our lives already in the earlier stages? Or is my navel-gazing on my blog ill-timed?
[micahsifry] maslow
[seanbonner] I'm very disappointed in the wearing of magic hats and waving of magic wands at ETech so far
[AKChris] now we're back to the slide style we all know and love
[tengi] cybea: incantations for muggles? I think not
[mediaserf] @AKChris sans serif?
[BigD] dammit, no sex in #3 and #4
[schemish] lay down your wands - join the Muggles Club!
[dpm] bullet point lists corrupt
[cybaea] People don;t think about sex after stage 2????
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[todbot] no sex after 25
[micahsifry] didn't nora ephron write this book already?
[AKChris] san serif text packed tighty whitey
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[shadowstorm] It's under Hobbies in #4 and Labor in #3
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[dpm] akchris++
[cybaea] oh, man, I am staying Peter Pan like and sex focused
[tengi] shadowstorm++
[BigD] cybaea: amen
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[RemyDWD] I like how sex disappears in stage #3
[AKChris] I think the whole topic of this year's etech was ill conceived unless they were going to actually search for speakers from the edge with really cool magical seeming things to talk about
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[mediaserf] like Michael Jackson?
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[jameshome] she must not be having a very fun stage 3
[BigD] AKChris: agreed
[AKChris] these speakers weren't magical last year or the year before that or the year before that
[AKChris] though some are quite good
[mediaserf] so Stage #3 is the Madonna stage - material girl
[cybaea] stage 3 sounds like the geek, with family == your WoW guild
[todbot] why does michael jackson like dating twenty eight year olds? because there's twenty of them
[RemyDWD] "Threw it up to you", ew
[seanbonner] There is sound coming out of this big black box on a stick next to me, it has to be magic
[andy2u] last year's "attention" theme also occasionally awkward during the keynote blocks
[AKChris] Speaking of rod stewart, I now plan to stay forever young and #1
[blosx_]
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[KevinMarks] Club Penguin++
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[AKChris] I thought most of them at least-- umm-- grokked attention
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[cybaea] http://www.clubpenguin.com/
[andy2u] i think these talks are pretty good, and only wince a little when the *theme* part gets emphasized in a forced way (in the case of this year, magic)
[BigD] cuz everyone goes to college
[cybaea] penguins++
[BigD] says who?!?
[segfault1010] recycling ftw
[schemish] penguins++
[therealjeb__] I think these talks are mostly good too.
[AKChris] thnk of the children!!
[KevinMarks] hm I need to update my linkedin
[therealjeb__] I've enjoyed almost all of them.
[tengi] think of the penguins!
[jameshome] think of the penguins
*KevinMarks is squarely in stage 3
[seanbonner] I will go on record saying that this years ETech seems much better than last years
[seanbonner] I'm enjoying it more anyway
[seanbonner] so that's all that matters
[shadowstorm] Really? I feel the opposite
*AKChris nods silently and sadly in Kevin's direction
[cybaea] seanbonner: you serious?
[ikisai] its smaller this year it seems
[shadowstorm] much smaller
[dpm] AKChris: otoh... the conference topic might convince us that the opposite of magic is the preferred route to take in our various design and development paths.... assuming user.... *people* and *persons* really... are generally smart enough to figure things out... that we dont' NEED magic to explain technology.
[mediaserf] She left out cheap alcohol Stage 2 and expensive liquor Stage 3
[dpm] mediaserf++
*BigD is firmly in stage 3. i need a cute penguin
[AKChris] I thought last year was much better so far-- but there are still two days left!
[tengi] mediaserf++
[seanbonner] I am serious, last year was a huge disappointment on many levels which is in part why we were forced to have barcamp in the lobby
[dpm] ISOMETRIC!
[AKChris] good point dpm
[dpm] AKChris: Thanks.
[seanbonner] does anyone remember the rooms we were in last year, the ones that only fit about 30% of the attendees
[andy2u] i think we're in an awkward stage of conferences... where we don't need to go for *knowledge,* but we do wanna come, and feel some value, but we need to adjust a little
[shadowstorm] yeah, over on the 2nd floor where lunch was the other day
[therealjeb__] man those posters rule.
[AKChris] physically the locations are a lot better, agreed
[AKChris] I miss the inflatable chairs
[BigD] andy2u: good point
[seanbonner] And, also for the record, "magic" is much easier to make jokes about than "attention"
[RemyDWD] andy2u: I'm shocked we haven't gone virtual conference yet, honestly
[jameshome] well, it's an awkward time technologically too. we have a good idea of what's next but the technology is barely there so it's all theory.
[blosx_] what do you google to see that poster online?
[AKChris] jameshome++
[jscott] money = sadness
[therealjeb__] eboy
[therealjeb__] i think.
[BigD] it took me years to learn that conferences are about meeting people and hanging out
[therealjeb__] eBoy...something poster something
[therealjeb__] most confs are about meeting people and hanging out, etech has the added bonus of increasing ones general pumpitude.
[schemish] BigD++
[BigD] i think multitouch is the next new thing
[AKChris] go to a few academic conferences and you learn that real quick!
[seanbonner] BigD++ - it's the value of the people in the same room together talking, not any specific session
[cybaea] This year is lacking a wifi-enabled place to "hag out". A couple of sofas and comfy chairs in the lobby would have been great
[todbot] i love to hag out
[jameshome] isn't blogging "virtual conferencing"?
[andy2u] good point cybaea
[BigD] that will change how we work
[RemyDWD] cybaea: There are some, on the side away from the bar
[cybaea] This conference really needs the physical space to gather -- we can see the presentations on IT conversations
[dpm] conferences also validate or cause you to change certain assumptions... not all but perhaps enough to be more successful in your efforts.
[AKChris] there's a cyclic problem that there isn't necessarily a ton of innovative new ideas generated every year-- some intercessions will make for dull main content
[BigD] i've been hanging out on the couches straight out from Douglas room A
[therealjeb__] what was the report that caused these two shows to get made?
[seanbonner] cybaes: I'll agree with that. Needs a lounge for sure, that was one of the best parts of the Horton Plaza hotel
[cybaea] I go here to meet *people*, and thst is harder this year than the year before last
[dpm] AKChris: quite true
[BigD] pretty good wifi
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[therealjeb__] i missed that part?
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[andy2u] at Kathy Sierra said conferences are about reigniting a sense of "rededication"
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[cybaea] RemyDWD: Yes, but they are too far away from the conference rooms. It is not a 'natural' place to gather
[therealjeb__] andy2u thats what i mean about one's general pumpitude.
[therealjeb__] most confs fail on that.
[Ori_] American Association of University Women put out the report
[AKChris] it's always been hard to meet people here (for me anyway)
[dpm] rededication. conferences are our temples and chapels then...
[andy2u] AKChris, if we're here for people and socializing, than it doesn't matter that there's not tons of new ideas at each conference
[jscott] i am seeing alot of programmers with time on their hands, i wonder if we're in a lull period
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[micahsifry] if you know programmers with time on their hands, send them to me
[dpm] a refractory period likely... a pause after creation
[AKChris] andy2u: it certainly matters *less* but I thought the last two years had a lot more good content-- I also don't think it's anyone's particular fault
[RemyDWD] Drink on "long tail"
[AKChris] and I'm still enjoying it
[schemish] where are these programmers???? I could use some..
[dpm] i'm certainly busy as frack
[jgoldman] AKChris: what about the conf makes it tough to meet people?
[BigD] AKChris: i used to be shy at these things. then i started drinking
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[dpm] BigD++
[jgoldman] BigD++
[cybaea] BigD++
[mediaserf] please tell me there is a break after this. I have to drain the magic wand
[crowder] hm. I'm already here. :)
[tengi] BigD++
[jgoldman] mediaserf++
[BigD] actually, irc backchannels have totally changed conferences for me
[cybaea] there is a break after this
[crowder] mediaserf: Yeah, break at 10:15 I think
[shadowstorm] alright, there was an uncalled for visual back there
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[jscott] i meant its seems people are talking about things other than programming, versus i have the next big idea
[shadowstorm] mediaserf, you stop that :P
[AKChris] Shyness maybe-- this is one of the only non academic conferences I go to-- in the edtech conferences I have a "name" so it's much easier
*Ewan_ strolls into the keynote
[andy2u] this talk is rad, it shouldn't have to have a tenuous connection to "magic"
[jgoldman] AKChris: come and find us after and we'll make sure you meet lots of people :)
[schemish] jscott: we're just movin in phase 4
[Ewan_] andy2u, always useful to leverage the 'conference topic'
[seanbonner] AKChris: don't listen to jgoldman, he doesn't know anyone
[andy2u] observation: at OSCON, they lay off the "theme" a little
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[therealjeb__] Why is similar-sized text on those screens harder to read than the text on the banners right next to them?
[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[jgoldman] seanbonner-- :)
[mediaserf] someone asked about the poster before
[mediaserf] here is a link
*crowder notes that he has somehow managed to perch himself _nowhere near_ a power supply. :(
[mediaserf] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sebastianprooth/315686462/
[jgoldman] now that is balance
[Ori_] therealjeb__: resolution is the reason
[jscott] whats phase 5?
[therealjeb__] Resoultion is the Reason.
[seanbonner] I have this weird feeling that my IRC karma hasen't changed at all
[tengi] mediaserf: cool. thanks!
[BigD] AKChris: i'm academic as well, understood
[therealjeb__] thats my new emo-magic-core band.
[jgoldman] ?karma seanbonner
[RemyDWD] Did jibot die?
[seanbonner] disconnected
[crowder] grrr
[jgoldman] there's no jibot in this channel
[dpm] we have power up front.... left middle section front middle row with half a dozen free seats and two power strips underneath
[RemyDWD] BigD, AKChris: Another acad over here. Perhaps we need a BOF
[BigD] i find that the channel gives me a name, and people can find me (or avoid me) based on how i seem to be
[cybaea] yawn swap?
[jgoldman] can someone go kick it?
[seanbonner] I'll ping kevin
[davidcrow] jgoldman++
[BigD] seanbonner++
[AKChris] we must represent 1/2 of the radical academic tech front
[davidcrow] it's fightclub for girls
[cybaea] ewwww
[andy2u] danah++
[jameshome] I missed the one she didn't comment on
[jameshome] what was that?
[segfault1010] bloger death threats
[jgoldman] kathy sierra's blog entry
[andy2u] it was a flash of the Kathy Sierra situation
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[jruderman] blosx_: http://hello.eboy.com/eboy/wp-content/uploads/shop/EBY_FooBar_35t.png
[jruderman] blosx_: i googled 'web 2.0 isometric poster'
[AKChris] that's the dear elena blog-- it is pretty heartbreaking
[therealjeb__] yeah eboy.
[therealjeb__] thats the place.
[therealjeb__] they making ones of towns too.
[cybaea] Web 2022? What happened to numbering fads with the year?
[AKChris] oin the other hand, maybe mourning for three solid years daily is unhealthy
[BigD] grep into ether - neat phrase
[jgoldman] AKChris: could be, but maybe writing the letter is what keeps him sane.
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[therealjeb__] Microsoft started using year numbers, so people switched to Microsoft's old style numbering. c.f. Web 2.0
[AKChris] jgoldman: could be-- I'm thankful I haven't yet had to find out personally
[jgoldman] AKChris++
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[cybaea] Break at 10:15 to 11:00. Caffeine fix.
[therealjeb__] NERRDDDSSSS
[shadowstorm] where?
[mediaserf] but he got a free ipod!
[seanbonner] I've got 4 shots in a cup right here, I'm doing A-OK on the caffeine front
[jgoldman] is it a demoncup?
[AKChris] that kid is now selling new versions and going e-commerce on his site
[jscott] the sith are after him
[jscott] now
[RemyDWD] Reminds me of the "Hello My Future Girlfriend" update a few weeks ago
[Ewan_] And on seeing the video, bloggers stopped blogging for a week in sympathy
[davidcrow] walls are better than windows
[therealjeb__] Didn't they end up not giving him the iPod, cause his mom sued somebody or something?
[gregbiggers] what is up with everyone wearing scarves this year?
[therealjeb__] Scarves are teh awesome.
[cybaea] sith++ (they destruct if there are more than 2 of them...)
[jscott] true, but scarves scare them off
[AKChris] man, now's the one time I needed that tie fighter emoticon
[AKChris] thai fighter? ti fighter? you know what I mean
[BigD] if i weren't in #3, i'd need a scarf to hide the hickeys
[Ewan_] |o|
[tengi] anybody wanna dance? :-)
[RemyDWD] staringatscreen++
[jgoldman] RemyDWD++
[cybaea] staringatscreen++
[cybaea] RemyDWD++
*mediaserf stares at screen pretending danah doesn't exist
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*jgoldman loves that we're all giving karma points even though Jibot isn't here anymore.
[schemish] RemyDWD++
[RemyDWD] jgoldman++
[todbot] jibot++
[gregbiggers] who kicked jbot?
[gregbiggers] jibot
[AKChris] ?fight jibot
[cybaea] Does danah exist?
[Ewan_] [sixties beatnik movie] Let's put on the dance right here [/sixties beatnik movie]
[jscott] i'm just a caveman, http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91gcaveman.phtml
[cpilate] whois le_
[davidcrow] I'm internet famous
[shadowstorm] no, but her wrist socks do
[BigD] heh, i never knew til recently that the ++ was for the bot... just thought it was kind applause :)
[davidcrow] or more specifically, I want to be internet famous
[gregbiggers] @KevinMarks can we get jibot back in here?
[AKChris] bigd: Same here
[jgoldman] BigD: it's a little of both
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[tengi] does anybody else see a huge lag on irc (10:08:00)
[ikisai] twitter++
[mediaserf] 231ms
[gregbiggers] twitterfriends_in_a_crisis++
[jgoldman] tengi: got that at 10:08
[KevinMarks] asking the poepl who host jibot, he seems to have crashed
[jgoldman] poor jibot
[Ewan_] Twitter = IRC but slowed down ten fold
[Ewan_] (and 10cents a message)
[jgoldman] maybe he was out drinking with us last night
[davidcrow] I hate when I BSOD
[cybaea] jibot++
[jgoldman] i felt a little crashed this morning.
[AKChris] no lag here tengi :)
[therealjeb__] I would not want to know any of that stuff.
[RemyDWD] Ewan_: Twitter = IRC where you can only hear half the people in the channel, and they're always talking to the people you can't hear
[tengi] carriers--
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[jgoldman] carriers--
[seanbonner] JIBOT!!!
[jgoldman] jibot!
[Ewan_] jibot++
[jgoldman] jibot++
[schemish] jibot++
[shadowstorm] jibot! You old so and so!
[tengi] jibot++
[seanbonner] ?karma jibot
[jibot] jibot has 33 points
[cybaea] ?learn jibot is dead
[jibot] jibot is blogging at http://hashjoiito.bloxus.com & slightly confused about the meaning of & is on sf at http://sourceforge.net/projects/jibot/ & has a wiki page at http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/?jibot & has stats at http://imajes.info/hashjoiito/ & a robot with a desire to become a folk singer & has needs & a bot & anna is her name & an arrogant self-heralding bot & silly & having too many blue links & not playing nice on imajes' server & dorky & confused &
[shadowstorm] alright, jibot needs to go down a peg or too: jibot--
[albertoescarlate] jibot++
[seanbonner] jibot++
[seanbonner] jibot++
[seanbonner] jibot++
[seanbonner] jibot++
[seanbonner] jibot++
[therealjeb__] ?learn jibot is long live jibot
[jibot] jibot is blogging at http://hashjoiito.bloxus.com & slightly confused about the meaning of & is on sf at http://sourceforge.net/projects/jibot/ & has a wiki page at http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/?jibot & has stats at http://imajes.info/hashjoiito/ & a robot with a desire to become a folk singer & has needs & a bot & anna is her name & an arrogant self-heralding bot & silly & having too many blue links & not playing nice on imajes' server & dorky & confused &
[seanbonner] jibot++
[seanbonner] jibot++
[seanbonner] jibot++
[todbot] jibot+-
[seanbonner] jibot++
[seanbonner] ?karma jibot
[jibot] jibot has 42 points
[seanbonner] woot
[jgoldman] ?karma seanbonner
[jibot] seanbonner has 21 points
[jgoldman] seanbonner++
[gregbiggers] accidental spells++
[jgoldman] ?karma seanbonner
[jibot] seanbonner has 22 points
[cybaea] ?karma seanbonner
[jibot] seanbonner has 22 points
[tengi] ?karma carriers
[jibot] carriers has -1 points
[seanbonner] magicwands++
[gregbiggers] losing_jobs--
[jgoldman] carriers--
[jgoldman] carriers---
[tengi] carriers--
[jgoldman] carriers-------------------
[BigD] ?karma bigd
[jibot] bigd has 14 points
[gregbiggers] verizon--
[jgoldman] ?carriers
[tengi] carriers--
[schemish] dana---
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[AKChris] what's magical are all the kids discussing how harry potter is nude in some play in England
[BigD] sean is more karmic than i art
[KevinMarks] I liek the idea of accidental magic
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[jibot] holgate is Nick Sweeney, an expat brit currently in Asheville, NC and is sadly compensating for missing etech this year by tagging photos on flickr.
[RemyDWD] white_ginger--
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[seanbonner] harry_potter_and_the_star_wars_kid_growing_up++
[mediaserf] why is she asking all these questions? no one is answering
[cybaea] ?karma danah
[jibot] danah has 2 points
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[gregbiggers] so boyd rocks and all, but this is too many questions. I want answers, dammit!
[KevinMarks] danah++
[AKChris] how did kids talk before myspace and IM
[therealjeb__] That was a pretty damn good talk.
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[cybaea] OK - caffeine fix

Scalability: Set Amazon's Servers on Fire, Not Yours
Don MacAskill, CEO & Chief Geek, SmugMug

95% of photos at SmugMug are on S3 - they are doubling every year. 140 Million photos right now. They love love love S3.

always on, global, infinante storage.

$0.15/GB/Month w/replicas
Easy REST API
Really fast. Not 15KSCSI fast, but really damn internet fast.
Definitely changes the whole game for startups.

using S3 lets you focus on the apps not the muck. Amazon is using the stuff too so if there is ever a problem they are on it in a second. They didn't want to deal with dataservers or any of that and this lets they get away from it.

They would have spent $922K in the last 12 months if they had used traditional hosting systems, with S3 they spent $230K. Also, saved $295K in taxes by not buying the disks (saved for cash flow).

S3 is perfect for startups and small companies. Great for "store lots, serve little" business of all sizes. Not so great (just yet) for serving lots if you are medium or large sized business. Transfer costs can be high. Smugmug buys in 1GBPS chunks. No sliding scales at Amazon just yet.

S3 was super easy to just drop in, they started on monday and had live production in place on Friday so really simple.

They started just doing secondary storage but that was too cold, tried as primary and that was too hot. Happy medium is that they put 100% of the data goes to S3, then about 10% is storred locally as well that is used more often. Resulted in 95% reduction is disks they needed to buy.

nearly 100% served are proxy reads, sometimes HTTP redirects but all URLs are nice clean smugmug.com links. rarly do they need direct S3 links.

they put their permissions model right on top of S3s permissions which *mostly* works.

reliability is *close* to 100%. Not quite, but close. More reliable than the stuff they do themselves. When there is failure it's not always amazons fault. Nothing else they use is 100% either, so always build with failure in mind. stuff breaks - just try again. If writes fail, write locally and sync later. reads fail? handel intelligently. Alerts!?

fast
- reads/writes XX Mbps
- mostly speed of light limited 20-80ms
- parallel i/o for massive throughput XXX Mbps
- all tests they did are machine measurable but human indistinguishable

S3 isn't a content delivery network, it's stoage.
no global locations (yet)
limited edge caching.
Amazon (might) be building something that does that.

store and forward gives great resiliency but poor performance
stream offers poor resiliency but great performance. Can do a quick HEAD first to verify.

in last year there have been 5 major issues that they know about. 3 lasted from 15-30 minutes, 2 were core switch failure (meaning amazon was down too)
2 performance degradations. One a customer noticed, second they didn't. Not a big deal, everything fails so expect it.

Service and pupport - this is one area where Amazon is weak. This is a utility, not a service. they need a service status dashboard, pro-active customer notifications, ability to get a hold of a human - as none of that is already available.

that said - amazon.com's customer service is pretty good, hopefully AWS will catch up soon.

Amazon has saved their butts. had power loss to 70TB of data and the fail over to amazon worked perfectly. moved datacenter during business hours and no one noticed.

Misc tips- use cURL, much faster. Make stuff as async as possible, this hides the speed-of-light problem.

They are about to start working with EC2. Will let them scale up or down via API, web servers, processing boxes, development test beds, build servers, etc. You name it.

Also adding SQS as well. $0.10/1000 items. Retrieves jobs with EC2 instances using S3 data.

Missing pieces-
would love to not have a datacenter at all. Database API missing is big problem. DB grade EC2 instances could work. Faster, persistent. Load balancer API. Single IP in front with lots of Ec2 instances. CDN.

Questions from audience - They pay $6-7K a month for transfer to amazon.

Someone asked if potential investors had a problem with so much critical data being outsources. Don said that quite the opposite, people they have talked to like that Amazon is involved as they know it's reliable and in fact VCs should be asking people if they are using this service or not. Their could be very good reasons not to use it but if a start up doesn't at least know about it and have looked into it that's a sign they haven't done their technical due diligence.

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For some reason which I can't figure out at all I'm 100% unable to access twitter. At first I thought it was a network thing but I've tried it on 4 different wifi connections, one hard wired connection, three different browsers and same result on all of them, the page starts to load and then never actually loads and just cycles for ever. I can send txt messages from my phone but can't see any of the replies. Also, twitteriffic has decided to use the metroblogging account rather than my personal account which means that rather than updates from 50 people I know, the messages are from several hundred folks most of whom I don't know making it completely useless. If anyone has any idea how to change what account twitteriffic uses please let me know. I've also not been able to post from twitteriffic so don't even know if that will make a difference or not. Anyway, I know that a lot of the organization here at ETech is going on there, and just wanted to give a heads up to folks who sending me notes there that I can't see them at all at this point. Sorry!

UPDATE: Almost on que of posting this it's working again, just like that. Twitteriffic is still behaving badly, but at least I can see the site again so yeah, um, nevermind.

I've got more notes coming in a bit on this, but thought I'd post these now to get them out of the way. This includes the debate between Mark Cuban and the EFF's Fred von Lohmann on Copyright and YouTube and how that effects the future of the web. Good stuff. Also, a little explanation - at some point someone (I suspect Chris Messina) started swapping people conference badges with other peoples. My badge was swipped and before the night was over I was wearing badges claiming that I was Tim O'Reilly, Danny O'Brian, Cory Doctorow, David Crow, and a good number of other folks. At some point Ori traded me a badge with my own which someone had given to him so at the end of the night I ended as myself again, though for about 4 hours I didn't think I'd ever see the badge with my name on it again. Anyway, Tara Hunt was wearing Cory Doctorow's badge during the awards are was planning to rush the stage and try to claim his award, but was unsuccessful. So that will explain some of the back and forth in the back channel which is posted after the jump. Enjoy!

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[jibot] seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging
[gregbiggers] i see no cell phone broadcasters in the front row
[missrogue_] broadcast.com
[missrogue_] is this a NIH problem?
[mediaserf] right side first seat i think he stopped
[gregbiggers] missrogue++
[mediaserf] I am right side 3rd person over
[mediaserf] from middle
[Ewan_] 5 minutes, come on, audience questions!!!
[gregbiggers] yo to the front row
[missrogue_] porntube.com
[missrogue_] duuuuuude
[Ewan_] xtube.com
[missrogue_] http://www.porntube.com
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[missrogue_] NSFW, btw
[davidascher] yo factoryjoe
[seanbonner] yoyoyo
[factoryjoe] yo
[factoryjoe] heh
[factoryjoe] I'm Quinn Norton now, fyi
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[factoryjoe] [_[
[Ewan_] http://techconf.thepodcastnetwork.com/2007/03/21/march-07-sxsw-christian-castle-and-honeycut/ My interview with Media Lawyer from SXSW on all this, Christian Castle. worthwhile listening on this topic.
[factoryjoe] ] _]
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[factoryjoe] O_o
*seanbonner is Dannny O'Brian
[missrogue_] o_0
*missrogue_ is Christopher Vallance
[factoryjoe] noice
*jgoldman is Cory Doctorow
[missrogue_] (bbc extraordinaire)
*missrogue_ is totally jealous of jgoldman
*Ewan_ is Spartacus
[gregbiggers] are those little timex digital watches inside the lucite trophies up there on the table?
[factoryjoe] jealousy averted
*missrogue_ already knew about the ewan/sparta thingy
*jgoldman is Christopher Vallance now
*gregbiggers is David Crow except more badass
[Ewan_] LOL
[seanbonner] Missrouge better go accept that award
[missrogue_] effin' aaaaaa! I'm Doctorow
[mediaserf] you would think they would be gshocks
[missrogue_] lol
[factoryjoe] damn
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[missrogue_] Are there going to be audience questions?
[mediaserf] let Bruce S join the debate
[gregbiggers] knowledge of particular infrigement
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[Ewan_] I think there's no audience to keep it nicely controlled and 'on message'
[gregbiggers] message = ??
[missrogue_] I heart that twitter keeps interrupting the speakers
[mediaserf] d'oh!
[missrogue_] badahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadahbadah
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[missrogue_] Crystaltips!
[missrogue_] (is this the new heathervescent?)
[factoryjoe] 116000 takedowns isn't a lot
[jgoldman] how many videos are there on YouTube?
[factoryjoe] compared w/ total uploads
[factoryjoe] exactly
[gregbiggers] yeah but can you multiply the number of takedowns by any arbitrary 5 digit number in under 10 seconds?
[missrogue_] someone yell broadcast.com
[missrogue_] c'mon
[jgoldman] gregbiggers++
[mediaserf] mark is right about that. government is set up to favor copyright holders
[jgoldman] go for it missrogue
[missrogue_] waiting for the right second
[missrogue_] waiting
[missrogue_] waiting
[factoryjoe] the first
[gregbiggers] * vs youtube
[seanbonner] HAWT
[missrogue_] crap
[Ewan_] No questions--
[gregbiggers] now!
[missrogue_] crappy
[missrogue_] he's special
[gregbiggers] heh
[factoryjoe] he should be donating $1M to get a shirt and hat
[gregbiggers] missrogue+++++
[gregbiggers] factoryjoe++
[mediaserf] factoryjoe++
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[gregbiggers] i think markc should donate $1M so i can have a hat
[le_] seth [3
[gregbiggers] i'll license the footage to him
[le_] i wish he was giving this intro in latin next
[seanbonner] I think Marc C should donate $1M to me
[gregbiggers] seanbonner__
[seanbonner] then I'll buy a hat
[jgoldman] seanbonner++
[jgoldman] (but i want a hat too)
[mediaserf] hes reading the channel - hi mark
[factoryjoe] i think IRC is like, 1 point better than twitter
[factoryjoe] but only one point
[jgoldman] irc++
[factoryjoe] and like, more wine would be good
[gregbiggers] irc++
[gregbiggers] wine++
[factoryjoe] hey look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/437197114/
[gregbiggers] carry the one!
[gregbiggers] talk about lightning talks
[factoryjoe] http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/
[missrogue_] This is funny
[missrogue_] way better than the debate, really
[factoryjoe] he looks like chuck norris
[gregbiggers] that was not correct. his key is actually woven into his ponytail.
[_psk] is there any session early tomorrow morning interesting enough that i should wake up drive down for the opening?
[factoryjoe] no really: http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/images/bruce-schneier-1.jpg
[missrogue_] I like Bruce Schneider
[missrogue_] OMG...he IS Chuck Norris ++
[gregbiggers] i like all the psuedo sneaking going on up in the front for pictures
[missrogue_] I mean Bruce Schneier (it's the wine, really...they didn't feed us enough protein)
[mediaserf] data shadow++
[gregbiggers] i shave my data shadow at least every other day
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[jgoldman] gregbiggers++
[gregbiggers] yikes. festering data.
[jgoldman] i shave my festering data at least every other day
[seanbonner] I just put peroxide on it
[gregbiggers] then slather it in schemosporin
[mediaserf] i have to lance my festering data
[le_] previous pioneer award winners listed at http://eff.org/awards/pioneer
[gregbiggers] mediaserf++
[gregbiggers] mediaserf++
[seanbonner] Get Ready Missrogue
[gregbiggers] ms gets two for being funny while typing on a phone
[missrogue_] lol
[missrogue_] I'm poised
[missrogue_] ready to spring
[seanbonner] Your moment in the spotlight is only seconds away
[mediaserf] ha you should see the tiny font
[gregbiggers] warning: do NOT look his glasses in the eyes
[missrogue_] I have the speech prepared, "I want to thank all the little people"
[seanbonner] The little people get enough thanks, thank the big people
[gregbiggers] the answer is boingboing
[jgoldman] d'oh! not the right award.
[jgoldman] good thing missrogue didn't go up
[mediaserf] boingboing++
[seanbonner] drat!
[missrogue_] whew!
[missrogue_] Wouldn't have I looked ridiculous?
[missrogue_] heh
[mediaserf] mark cuban says boing boing is rampant with copyright violations
[Ash] every website is rampant with copyright violations
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[Ash] the entire internet is a copyright violation
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[jibot] justatheory is David Wheeler of Kineticode and Bricolage fame. http://www.justatheory.com/ and principal engineer for Values of n, aka raelity's biatch
[missrogue_] thank goodness for rampant copyright violations
[factoryjoe] my brain is rampant with copyright infringements
[factoryjoe] so SUE me!
[factoryjoe] hahaahhahaHA
[factoryjoe] nevermind
[Ash] start singing songs
[Ash] then we'll come after you
[missrogue_] It's kind of wild to hear Yochai's voice
[mediaserf] he uses amarok
[gregbiggers] you gotta love the red type for "Hot" at bottom of page
[andy2u] not to nerd out, but does that look like kubuntu?
[factoryjoe] we know the score
[seanbonner] 12 to 5
[missrogue_] andy2u: you are a total nerd ;)
[gregbiggers] it was atleast kde on ubuntu
[missrogue_] (but so are the rest of us)
[andy2u] lollin
[mediaserf] yes thats the default window decor for kubuntu
[missrogue_] I really love the graphics..so geeky...all pixelated and stuff
[missrogue_] Is that Comic Sans?
[missrogue_] factoryjoe?
[seanbonner] no
[jgoldman] it's too organic
[factoryjoe] no
[seanbonner] too scripty on the y to be comic sans
[factoryjoe] yeah
[davidascher] it would be infringing anyway
[factoryjoe] not fatty enough
[missrogue_] It would rock if it was Comic Sans
[factoryjoe] no, it really wouldn't
[jgoldman] factoryjoe++
[jgoldman] nothing rocks in comic sans
[factoryjoe] he wouldn't "know the score" if that were comic sans
[seanbonner] It would rock if it was in hobo
[missrogue_] Comic Sans has gotten a bad rap, man
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[jibot] thecrypto is blogging at http://thecrypto.org and working on a Collaborative Editor called CoEd and still setting up a FreeCulture club at the University of California, Riverside
[gregbiggers] it would rock times 2 if it was geneva
[jgoldman] because it sucks?
[factoryjoe] http://www.bancomicsans.com/
[factoryjoe] because it's banned
[factoryjoe] w00t
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[factoryjoe] he's canadian?!
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[factoryjoe] ARGHHH!?
[missrogue_] btw...Doctorow is a canuck
[missrogue_] yep
[davidascher] thecrypto: that blog is even more out of date than mine. any pointer to CoEd?
[jgoldman] yeah - i went to high school with his younger brother neil
[missrogue_] shuddup!
[gregbiggers] boing boing is available on the internet?
[missrogue_] you didn't?
[factoryjoe] davidascher: try boingboing.net
[jgoldman] he was a big MAGIC user
[seanbonner] boingboing is on my phone
[jgoldman] anyone else on here know MAGIC?
[factoryjoe] wufie!
[missrogue_] whuffie
[factoryjoe] pudgie little girls!
[factoryjoe] leathery angel wings!
[factoryjoe] ant colonies!
[davidascher] factoryjoe: huh?
[thecrypto] davidascher: The jibot herald is even more out of date than the blog
*missrogue_ wondering if factoryjoe is going to wear his leathery angel wings later on ;)
[thecrypto] CoEd is quite dead, still got code on my box but its not going anywhere fast
[thecrypto] And I graduated school almost a year ago now
[jgoldman] ?google CoEd
[jibot] Search for CoEd: 0.112 seconds. Showing first 3 of 7390000 sites
[jibot] CO-ED Magazine ::: Home to Everything College - http://www.coedmagazine.com/
[jibot] Playboy.com - Coed of the Week - Sexy Girls - Beautiful Women - http://www.playboy.com/girls/coeds/cotw/
[Ewan_] missrgue- ... too much information!!!
[jibot] American Coed Pageants | Official National Miss American Coed ... - http://gocoed.com/
[jgoldman] :)
[thecrypto] ?forgetme
[jibot] I have expunged thecrypto from my mind
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[missrogue_] but Ewan_ it's not for me, it's for all!
[jgoldman] cory is omnipresent
[factoryjoe] whoa
[gregbiggers] wierd++
[missrogue_] I'm still Cory Doctorow, btw
[missrogue_] I don't know who that imposter is
[Ash] ?learn missrogue_ is cory doctorow
[jibot] missrogue_ is cory doctorow
[missrogue_] when IRC says it...it's official
[missrogue_] jibot knows all
[factoryjoe] discount air flatulence?
[mediaserf] discount air traveller flatulence --
[factoryjoe] DAF?
[jgoldman] no - factoryjoe - that's "discount air flatulence!"
[factoryjoe] we need DRM on DAF! sat!
[jgoldman] wrong punctuation
[factoryjoe] err
[factoryjoe] stat!
[gregbiggers] fairness++
[thecrypto] Wow...my blog is out of data, celebrating over 1 year without updates
[gregbiggers] ?learn corydoctorow is also missrogue
[jibot] corydoctorow is also missrogue
[gregbiggers] NOW jibot knows all
[BigD] i like first class flatulence
[Ash] ?learn mouthbeef is missrougue
[jibot] mouthbeef is Cory Doctorow and blogs at http://boingboing.net and S*W*O*O*P and missrougue
[seanbonner] aboot
[factoryjoe] "i defy you to experience discount air flatulence!"
[jgoldman] factoryjoe++
[jgoldman] ?karma factoryjoe
[jibot] factoryjoe has 12 points
[missrogue_] wow 12 points
[missrogue_] is he the winner
[missrogue_] ?
[jgoldman] ?karma davidcrow
[jibot] davidcrow has 27 points
[gregbiggers] crap
[jgoldman] ?karma gregbiggers
[jibot] gregbiggers has 23 points
[missrogue_] shit...
[davidascher] ?karma davidascher
[gregbiggers] damn
[jibot] davidascher has 1 point
[davidascher] ha
[avi_] davidascher++
[davidascher] i win the other way
[jgoldman] ha
[seanbonner] ?karma seanbonner
[jibot] seanbonner has 21 points
[missrogue_] ?karma missrogue
[jibot] missrogue has 1 point
[missrogue_] heh
[missrogue_] I suck
[jgoldman] ?karma jgoldman
[jibot] jgoldman has 15 points
[gregbiggers] ?learn gregbiggers is davidcrow with extra badass
[jibot] gregbiggers is a hackable wifi clockradio who is in the anonymized dataspace and indistinguishable from magic and davidcrow with extra badass
[factoryjoe] jeez
[factoryjoe] missrogue_++
[jgoldman] missrogue_ ++
[missrogue_] :-*
[factoryjoe] jgoldman--
[factoryjoe] watch it buddy
[seanbonner] ?karma missrogue_
[factoryjoe] ok nm
[jibot] missrogue_ has 2 points
[missrogue_] hey
[missrogue_] I should have 3
[mediaserf] was that Jon Potter?
[jgoldman] i put a space in by accident.
[seanbonner] missrogue_: tell that to jibot
[jgoldman] and now i'm scared of The Messina
[jgoldman] so you can't have it back.
[factoryjoe] =D
[jgoldman] he'll smack me.
[missrogue_] jibot --
[seanbonner] ?karma themessina
[jibot] themessina has 0 points
[factoryjoe] ?karma jibot
[jibot] jibot has 29 points
[missrogue_] ?karma jibot
[jibot] jibot has 29 points
[missrogue_] man
[jgoldman] ?learn factoryjoe is The Messina
[jibot] factoryjoe is an open source ambassador, blogs at http://factoryjoe.com/blog and runs Citizen Agency with Miss Rogue and The Messina
[factoryjoe] you can't beat the robots
[factoryjoe] corydoctorow++
[missrogue_] dang...it's the underscore!
[missrogue_] cory! cory!
[andy2u] awww
[andy2u] that's rad
[missrogue_] I'm so damn proud to be cory doctorow
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[jgoldman] missrogue_++
[missrogue_] I rock
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[missrogue_] (as Cory Doctorow)
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Catching up on posting back channels from yesterday, after the jump is the majority of the afternoon sessions from yesterday including the hotly debated BBC / TV session. Just watch Kevin Marks' restraint when they cut him off.

Technorati Tags: etech, etech2007, oreilly, sandiego

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---Topic for #etech is I hate magic like I hate robots.
---Topic for #etech set by RemyDWD at Tue Mar 27 14:58:59
[jibot] seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging & bloggers without borders
[yoz] but it will come again, oh yes
[yoz] I HAVE PLANS
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[segfault1010] analytics talk is worth it just fro his drawings
[Mutiny] i also miss that as much as the cheerleader
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[cybaea] love those hand-drawn slides...
[cspurgeon] It's not?
[AaronF] seanbonner, you're kind of local
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[yoz] Mutiny: I'll try to bring back the cheerleader first then
[Mutiny] jibot: Mutiny?
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[AaronF] Let's meat
[seanbonner] ?forget seanbonner & bloggers without borders
[jibot] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
[RemyDWD] cspurgeon: Most RSS 2.0 feeds I've seen don't include a namespace for the RSS elements
[seanbonner] Am I?
[jgoldman] AaronF: steak? chicken?
[mikemee] analytics: expansion on talk this morning, so it seems so far
[AaronF] that was a pun on meet
[AaronF] I'm so punny
[seanbonner] ?forget seanbonner is & bloggers without borders
[jibot] I now only know that seanbonner is in Los Angeles, CA & can be found at http://www.seanbonner.com & likes gadgets & blogs & lemonade & is one of the dudes behind metroblogging
[AaronF] I've got puns coming out me bum
[Mutiny] jibot Mutiny is a Jukebox mogul living in San Diego, CA
[lllllllll] AaronF, we were so busy laughing silently
[seanbonner] how pun!
[AaronF] dude, I know it
[cspurgeon] Ah, I see. Is a default namespace a requirement for well-formed XML, or optional?
[jgoldman] ?learn Mutiny is a Jukebox mogul living in San Diego, CA
[jibot] Mutiny is a Jukebox mogul living in San Diego, CA
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[jgoldman] ?Mutiny
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[Mutiny] lulz
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[cybaea] persistent context makes the un-discoverable discoverable
[AaronF] Mutiny, is local too
[cspurgeon] Disney thing any good so far?
[lllllllll] best practices gossip says namespaces are in, doctypes are out
[seanbonner] local as in at ETech or local as in Los Angeles?
[AaronF] mutiny let's meet
[mikemee] create persistence context by collecting all references in one place
[AaronF] err meat
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[AaronF] soCal
[seanbonner] w00t
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[jibot] sexygirl153 is a sexy girl
[mediaserf] so far just going through disney.com
[mediaserf] redesign
[AaronF] oh dude there is a pedo-troll here
[mikemee] a: "treat data as a query"
[sexygirl153] i believe in magic!
[AaronF] err...peda-troll
[seanbonner] hey look! sexygirl!
[RemyDWD] Does pedobear approve?
[AaronF] sexygirl153, is a peda-troll
[AaronF] you'll not find 12 year old boys here peda-troll
[AaronF] I don't think
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[cybaea] "The data is the query beats boiling the ocean."
[mediaserf] its windy in the disney session
[AaronF] oh wait is this trampoline
[ryanmcminn] my speaker is english
[AaronF] oh gosh I gotta leave this session
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[tengi] RSSbus is pretty lame so far
[Mutiny] m/sg sexygirl153 a/s/l?
[Mutiny] SHIT
[sexygirl153] Soundpaper is Cue cat - i claim my $5
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[Mutiny] boil the ocean? fish stew sounds mighty tasty..
[ryanmcminn] the collective intel guys have a lot of hair
[cybaea] Intelligent systems: Queries finds data. Data find queries. Data finds data.
[sexygirl153] they should share it with the sound paper guys
[mikemee] queries find data -] data finds queries -] data finds data -] queries find queries
[RemyDWD] Didn't he do that same bit this morning?
[segfault1010] a bit more detail so far
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[mikemee] yes, pretty much. expansion of that talk.
[cybaea] Intelligent systems: Queries finds data. Data find queries. Data finds data. Queries find queries (and people asking the same questions find each other.)
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[mikemee] he is a 1 trick pony
[sexygirl153] he'd only prepared one trick, we assume
[tengi] how's "digital disney?"
[sexygirl153] "Not an out-of-the-box proposition"
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[KevinMarks] ZOMG Ponies
[mikemee] v cool trick tho, esp at scale
[segfault1010] and that trick has nothing to do with hookers or blow
[cybaea] Shiny ponies?
[sexygirl153] Unicorns!
[RemyDWD] Trying so hard not to add british u's to my notes
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[KevinMarks] Sociemimetic?
[mikemee] how is paper talk?
[sexygirl153] @mikemee: pretty awful so far
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[KevinMarks] that name fails the speak test - he couldn't even say it
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[mikemee] does ibm sell this?
[KevinMarks] I think they are deterministic but not predictable
[ryanmcminn] he stopped saying the word now
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[RemyDWD] Wasn't he in the last talk? Easy-for-user systems are for pussies.
[cybaea] C++ code? People still use C++?
*cybaea ducks
[jgoldman] mikemee: the paper talk is sorta interesting: they print barcodes with audio embedded in them and you can stick them to photos (or whatever) and then play them with their client software.
[mikemee] a: all about identify resolution "23 years of evolution"
[schemish] embedded barcodes - old hat
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[sexygirl153] jgoldman: but you seem to have summed up the entire talk in one sentance, without missing any detail
[AKChris_] that's a lot shinier than thosae greeting cards that play music
[Mutiny] easy-for-user systems; coded by retards, for retards.
[tengi] jgoldman: what platform(s) do they support?
[RemyDWD] Mutiny: Retard end-to-end
[RemyDWD] This is the only time I will see "hominids" and "virtuosi" in the same sentence
[jgoldman] tengi: they haven't really said. sounds like their trying to get hardware companies to embed their software on their platform, and are looking at things like cellphones
[tengi] jgoldman: thanks
[KevinMarks] sounds like a crossword clue
[cybaea] eight minutes query limit
[wkearney99] axe? looked more like some wierd-ass brit cheese...
[schemish] how large is the audio file?
[schemish] or is it really a URL, not the file itself?
[sexygirl153] it's the actual audio
[mikemee] 50 engineers working on how you make this scale
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[sexygirl153] i *think* 10 seconds on a 2x.5 inch barcode
[jgoldman] the audio file for the paper that talks?
[cybaea] "You got to have full attribution on every row" - now we are talking tech :-)
[mikemee] a: now on to privacy
[mikemee] new material
[mikemee] 2nd trick :-)
[mediaserf] So Disney is copying webkins
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[cybaea] "What if the database administrator is corrupt?"
[mediaserf] am I the only one in Disney session?
[cybaea] mikemee: Yeah, he promised encrypted data
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[jibot] mouthbeef is Cory Doctorow and blogs at http://boingboing.net and S*W*O*O*P
[KevinMarks] They used to have controls more like carriages
[ryanmcminn] 4 grokability references in the last 5 min... must be a record
[mikemee] analytics in the anonymized data space: responsible innovation in support of privacy and civil liberties
[AKChris_] 2 out of 3 ain't bad
[KevinMarks] I think little chips that playback with stickers on are a better idea than barcodes
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[cybaea] "Responsible Innovation in Support of Privacy and Civil Liberty"
[hcatlin] I promise a grok-free presentation!
[jgoldman] KevinMarks: much more expensive, no?
[sexygirl153] storing audio on cheap rfid/nfc seems easier
[sexygirl153] not much more expensive - few cents per rfid
[schemish] it's easier to print a barcode. almost zero cost
[KevinMarks] I dunno, with what I pay for printer ink a month...
[hcatlin] rfid scares me.
[therealjeb_] how is making a custom arfid eiaser than printing?
[tengi] did they say how many bits they get on those labels?
[AKChris_] learning is bad
[mikemee] technique: encrypt data and correlate it while encrypted
[jgoldman] tengi: don't think so
[hcatlin] thinking hurts!
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[jibot] jrnoded is jr at http://www.noded.com/noded
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[sexygirl153] printing with a special printer on a special paper though
[segfault1010] mikemee types faster then me
[KevinMarks] I can get a 2GB microSD card fro less than a carton of printer ink
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[jameshome] anyone in Collective Intelligence?
[therealjeb_] oh. boge.
[ryanmcminn] yup
[jgoldman] sexygirl153: how would they make money otherwise? :)
[cybaea] One-way hashes. Do analytics on the hashed data. You can shared the hashed data
[jameshome] how's that working out?
[tengi] free license for rssbus if you sign up at their booth
[sexygirl153] jgoldman: good point :)
[KevinMarks] I'm in collective intelligence, but it's now about guessable UI
[RemyDWD] I wish he would do the grokability/predictability/relevance breakdown on Twitter.
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[cybaea] haha - you can't turn a saussage back into a pig
[ryanmcminn] not bad... I am a sucker for a uk accent
[AKChris] and then the rssbus people will call you every week until you die-- and for a while after
[schemish] I think he totally missed the point with automobile and PC. any new technology fails grakobilitytest
[hcatlin] Are any of the talks really good so far?
[tengi] AKChris: probably
[segfault1010] grinder is sideways red Green Lantern emblem
[mediaserf] Disney talk --
[jgoldman] tengi: 8000 bytes of data. UPS Maxicode gets 93 bytes. UPC code gets 12 digits.
[sexygirl153] ooh - 8000 bytes per barcode
[RemyDWD] hcatlin: Collective Intelligence is okay
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[jibot] gregbiggers is a hackable wifi clockradio who is in the anonymized dataspace and indistinguishable from magic
[mikemee] hcatlin: enjoying Analytics, but I dig databases
[tengi] jgoldman: thanks
[cybaea] Wow!
[jgoldman] .5" wide by 6" long
[hcatlin] databases are 120% full of awesome.
[sexygirl153] 6x.5 inches
[hvnt] um, maybe it's because we've had sharp sticks and axes for a longer time than cars...
[AKChris] I really don't see how this differs from all the other uisability talks I've seen
[hcatlin] Its *collective* usability.
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[RemyDWD] AKChris: It's almost a 180 from that last talk
[Mutiny] SELECT AWESOME(*) FROM DATABASE; 0 rows returned.
[AKChris] so a guitar with one string is better than one with six, unicycles are better than bicycles...
[tengi] rss talk is already into q&a
[hvnt] AKChris: because those other ones didn't include the grokability index
[therealjeb_] is the database one the guy from this morning who had the blackjack cheater video?
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[AKChris] I forgot about grokability
[seanbonner] therealjeb_: yep
[therealjeb_] oh man that guy ruled.
[dpm] f-16 is fly by wire generally unstable also.... general dynamics 1976
[seanbonner] he's got more good illustrations in his slides too
[cybaea] cute trick. To fuzzy match hashed data, add the root name (/frequent variants) to the data set
[mikemee] to compare encrypted data, include hashes of root variants of names (Robert, bob, rob) and various forms of dates
[hcatlin] Crowd-decision thoughts on "SELECT *" as opposed to ennumerated for the general-case SQL statement.
[cybaea] therealjeb_: yes
[AKChris] Solution 2 is a rule all my wives knew intuitively
[therealjeb_] im bustin over there.
[sexygirl153] hcatlin: just get the job done - worry about premature optimization later
[hcatlin] sexygirl153: a woman after my own heart.
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[schemish] is he leading us to USSR as clear system?
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[mikemee] when you get a match on encrypted data, get a warrant for original
[segfault1010] he's on it
[dpm] stalin in your lavatory usefulness
[Mutiny] premature optimization leads to premature ejaculation.
[AKChris] I think the ultimate grokable technology then is a rock
[cybaea] yes - get a warrant for the minimal data set. s a BIG improvement
[davidcrow] pseudo-anonymization
[dpm] tragic hair
[KevinMarks] is his mic grokable?
[davidascher] there's something odd about the handwritten font and the IBM source in the same slide...
[cybaea] What is k-anonymoty techniques?
[cybaea] *k-anonymity
[gregbiggers] it is certainly not predictable
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[jrnoded] he is owned by IBM not exactly IBM
[seanbonner] k-directoret
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[KevinMarks] http://flickr.com/photos/kevinmarks/334498479/
[KevinMarks] up to 11
[AKChris] It'd be a lot cooler if he would go ahead and play the guitar
[mikemee] heh: prevent attacks by buying IBM crpyto processor ;)
[AKChris] you know he wants to
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[davidascher] jrnoded: i don't mind ibm, it's something about the conjunction, that's all
[RemyDWD] That was meta.
[mediaserf] dpm++
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[jgoldman] paper presentation is kinda losing focus
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[seanbonner] paper presentation lost me when they started talking about thermal resolution. yawn.
[ryanmcminn] I am not sure where collective intel is heading....
[ikisai] i'm just lost
[davidascher] ?learn pkedrosky is Paul Kedrosky, and he's into greed (http://paul.kedrosky.com/)
[jibot] pkedrosky is Paul Kedrosky, and he's into greed (http://paul.kedrosky.com/)
[mikemee] is disney showing cool clips at least? their website kinda bloats
[sexygirl153] paper might be starting to get interesting (maybe)
[gregbiggers] should we all ask him to speak up?
[ikisai] is disney giving out free DVDs
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[AKChris] a yellow submarine!
[ryanmcminn] greg... I am not sure if that would help
[tommorris] Watching Kevin's video of the BoF talk
[cybaea] commutative encryption
[RemyDWD] Bryce did something other than landscapes?
[jrnoded] version 4.9 is really 1.0
[seanbonner] has anyone been able to load twitter in the last few hours?
[davidascher] ?learn _psk is Paul Kedrosky, and he's into greed (http://paul.kedrosky.com/)
[jibot] _psk is Paul Kedrosky, and he's into greed (http://paul.kedrosky.com/)
[AKChris] I don't think being louder will help.. he does seem to be thinking hard though
[ikisai] twitter on the web is fine
[ikisai] im gone again
[ikisai] twittereific hanging
[ikisai] SMS fine
[mediaserf] @ikisai - no DVDs...just plug for their web sites
[gregbiggers] twitter-- is that the irc bridge for sms?
[seanbonner] i haven't been able to get twitter on the web for hours
[mediaserf] pitch for Pirates MMORPG
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[cybaea] http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,104478,00.html
[cspurgeon] That's the best slide of the show so far...that one of the Outlook preferences
[RemyDWD] For everyone in the Indeterminism talk who wants something to play with: http://enron.trampolinesystems.com/
[RemyDWD] (from the other backchannel)
[sexygirl153] where's the other backchannel?
[RemyDWD] http://www.lingr.com/room/etech2007
[RemyDWD] More things need to be tagged with "officiallyshit"
[mikemee] "if info can be shared in an anonymzed form and still get similar results ... why would I do it any other way" (or similar!)
[davidascher] the ibm talk reminds me of the Translucent Databases book.
[AKChris] *sigh* he's so edgy
[tommorris] I tagged something "socialirritationsyndrome" the other day.
[dpm] in collective intelligence... see John Maeda from MIT A+C Group and Laws of Simplicity and Law 1 for a similar take on reductionism and "SHE".... shrink, hide, embody...
[KevinMarks] "fairly nondeterministic"
[dpm] ah... google negative space.
[_psk] great, now lost in enron emails
[mediaserf] Disney guy "community is not just about dating"
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[dpm] community dies without dating.
[seanbonner] mediaserf: Whatt???
[jrnoded] ah I wanted to date the community
[sexygirl153] lossy barcodes!
[KevinMarks] "everone's favourite or second favourite search engine, depending on where you work"
[mediaserf] I know, its an advanced concept, I felt compelled to share
[mikemee] pic of 1st computer with a hard drive - 5mb 1 ton
[cybaea] haha - 1 ton == 5 mb hard drive
[Mutiny] bring me the head of michael eisner!
[mikemee] 1956, ibm 305 ramac (in case anyone cares)
[KevinMarks] can we distinguish nondeterministic from unpredictable please
[tommorris] The Yahoo! employee's toolkit: Gmail, Gcalendar, Goffice...
[seanbonner] mediaserf: if communities aren't about dating than the web can't be about getting laid, this is just too much!!
[schemish] predictable with some probability
[schemish] :)
[mediaserf] @tommorris Jeremy isn't indicative of all Yahoo! employees
[dpm] seanbonner++
[sexygirl153] seanbonner: don't worry - he's wrong
[seanbonner] oh good
[AKChris] Rojo is still alive?
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[RemyDWD] One lady, 29 landscapes
[RemyDWD] Good job, Flickr
[mediaserf] they totally need an eharmony or match.com session to balance this out
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[cybaea] "More Death Cheaper in the Future" graph
[segfault1010] More Death cheaper in Futoure gr[ah
[Mutiny] as pointed out earlier, it all comes down to hookers and blow
[gregbiggers] ok hes going too slowly in collective interminableness
[AaronF] I love my berry
[cybaea] death+
[AKChris] he's making me collectively unconscious
[ikisai] hsi mispeilling of decisde
[RemyDWD] WHY DO YOU PUT A URL THAT LONG IN A SLIDE
[RemyDWD] GAH
[cybaea] death++ more death++
[AaronF] this round of sessions seem pretty lame, and I'm too lazy to walk outside to the other buildings
[gregbiggers] "magical" -- drink!
[Mutiny] i wish more conferences had The Gong.
[cybaea] haha - he has the genome for the Spanish Influenza on his laptop
[davidcrow] Mutiny++
[ikisai] or backcnahhel on screen
[BigD] what else is along that death line?
[AaronF] well, I'm drinking a beer in the bar for this round
[cybaea] Spanish Influenza++
[KevinMarks] This is Stephen Wolfram's point in NKoS
*BigD sneezes
[seanbonner] I'll say it again - best thing at etech ever was the year they had the back channel projected on screen
[BigD] oops, sorry, yer all gonna die
[ikisai] yellow is back
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[seanbonner] and hecklbot
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[AKChris] seanbonner++
[cybaea] we're gonna die
[mikemee] love these hand drawn slides. such a nice change. can it be automated? ;-)
[RemyDWD] Collective intelligence looks like highlighters.
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[jgoldman] i have to admit to being slightly confused by the paper dude's hair.
[ikisai] i wish i had funky hair llike that
[gregbiggers] geez with the washed out projector images
[mediaserf] Disney is paying moms to blog on family.com - dooce will be assimilated
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[jibot] rachelc is http://blog.bibrik.com/
[sexygirl153] demo hardware takes 30s to decode the 8k audio
[AKChris] it's greatly simplified when you ccan't see an of the text
[AaronF] I had to leave the collective intelligence b/c I've heard that dude present 2x before and the first two times were identical
[cybaea] mikemee: We should turn them nto clip art art and sell them :-)
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[sexygirl153] "for the kids to use"
[cybaea] Coffee in four minutes
[AKChris] wasn't the first collective intelligence guy the one who went to some tiny island to study message passing and presented it last year?
[KevinMarks] sounds pathologically pointless sexygirl153
[mediaserf] OH wait they are paying in MickeyBucks....which I assume are only usable at their parks and in the country of Ireland
[BigD] there better be cookies
[sexygirl153] it'll get better in the future (tm)
[mediaserf] god help them if there aren't cookies
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[RemyDWD] "It wasn't even the right slide show"
[AKChris] whoa. That' sit/.
[gregbiggers] how does he not laugh when looking in the mirror?
[schemish] ? what message passing?
[RemyDWD] I'll clap to that.
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[cybaea] Coffee without cookies is like using a mouse with your hand instead of your kneee (you had to be there...)
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[mediaserf] cybeae++
[gregbiggers] kevinmarks smackdown!
[mediaserf] cybaea++
[ikisai] coffee required
[dpm] complexity != complicated.
[wkearney99] oh yeah, that's the way to clear the room....
[RemyDWD] You just can't predict KevinMarks
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[jgoldman] if ear for the number of companies whose business plans involve trying to get cell carriers to pay them for doing something on the network which generates data transfer.
[AaronF] jgoldman, I don't know the details man, I don't have my invite anymore.
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[cybaea] sharks++
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[mikemee] "it is essential that the pricacy community and technologists [engage in more conversation[?]"
[segfault1010] sharks with lasers++
[jgoldman] AaronF: your irresponsibility will cost you your attendance :)
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[sexygirl153] conclusion: none of it works yet, but can you invest kthks?
[AaronF] elitist
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[AaronF] ;-)
[tommorris] So, what's the story here? Disney are building a social network?
[jgoldman] VaultCamp will be held at the Marriott, tomorrow, 7:30
[mikemee] q: what about bad data? A: it is actually good for you - keep it!
[KevinMarks] you can't handwave about complexity theory without reading wolfram
[davidascher] anyone know where werewolf will be?
[cybaea] bad is the new good
[AaronF] Disney is indeed deving a social network
[Mutiny] vaultcamp better involve safe cracking.
[AaronF] they're all about content
[AaronF] they want a content-centric social network
[sexygirl153] davidascher: it'sin the program
[AaronF] A couple of MindTouch's customers have been approached by them
[davidascher] sexygirl153: cool, thanks
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[KevinMarks] re sound on paper: the dollar store near me was selling recordable greeting cards at 3 for a dollar last year
[jgoldman] so, this paper thing - they invented a barcode format that holds 8k and that's pretty much it.
[cybaea] 30 seconds to coffee
[KevinMarks] silicon already beat paper
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[tommorris] Disney building a social network sounds utterly pointless.
[jgoldman] mutniy: the door is open but feel free to crack it anyway :)
[davidascher] sexygirl153: you're a werewolf.
[AKChris] This is only my thrd etech, but that has to win for most incomprehensible and poorly prepared presentation ever
[mediaserf] silicon beats paper but rock beats silicon!
[AaronF] sexygirl153, is a peda-troll
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[AaronF] has to be with a name like that
[sexygirl153] "people are printing more photos every year" (wrong on so many levels)
[cybaea] http://jeffjonas.typepad.com/
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[AKChris] the only point in the whole thing was on a 5000 year old axe head
[sexygirl153] jgoldman: yeah
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[BigD] i need an all black outfit
[BigD] do they MAKE those in Fat?
[jgoldman] paper: barcodes hold 10 seconds of audio
[mediaserf] @sexygirl - agree. people print less photos...using more electronically
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[cybaea] Information Management, Privacy, National Security, and Triathlons :-)
[AaronF] Wii
[sexygirl153] ratio of photos taken to photos printed going down massively
[davidascher] sexygirl153: i print more. therefore others must as well.
[AaronF] ?Wii
[mediaserf] ok I'm applying for CTO
[tommorris] I'd print more photos if inkjet printers weren't the spawn of satan.
[sexygirl153] :D
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[BigD] wiiiiiiiiiiiii
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[AaronF] My berry seems to be more reliable a connection than the wifi
[KevinMarks] inkjet ink costs a fortune
[tommorris] Printer mfrs are incompent AND evil at the same time.
[sexygirl153] it's very cue cat - everyone will have the little handheld reader
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[jgoldman] i saw an HP deskjet for $29 the other day
[jgoldman] sexygirl153: totally. YABR (Yet Another Barcode Reader)
[tommorris] Epson inkjet is about $4,000 a gallon
[Mutiny] $29 for a HP deskjet with 10 pages worth of ink. ink refills: $99.95
[jgoldman] Mutiny: exactly.
[wkearney99] audio on paper would be interesting for a photo album. but what're you more likely to have, a disc reader that'd spin up a CD full of jpegs, or a cell phone with a camera with high enough resolution to snap the barcode and playback the audio?
[AaronF] I want a sun spot
[KevinMarks] Wolfram on free will and computation irreducibility: http://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/page-750-text
[AaronF] Can you believe those jackasses aren't doing anything at the make event?
[AaronF] wtf
[tommorris] What's the point? Just stick a Bluetooth transmitter inside and get it to send out a compressed MP3 or MIDI to a player device.
[KevinMarks] "even though a system may follow definite underlying laws its overall behavior can still have aspects that fundamentally cannot be described by reasonable laws."
[wkearney99] paper requires no wattage to see it again.
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[KevinMarks] "if the evolution of a system corresponds to an irreducible computation then this means that the only way to work out how the system will behave is essentially to perform this computation--with the result that there can fundamentally be no laws that allow one to work out the behavior more directly."
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[wkearney99] not saying it's all that great an idea but not as ridiculous as some might assume
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[jgoldman] are there snacks?
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[AKChris] Charles Arsmstrong is the guy from the "tiny island" presentation last year... http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2006/view/e_sess/7793
[AKChris] amazing how little the speaker list changes from year to year
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[KevinMarks] it is ridiculous
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[AaronF] I knoW!
[AaronF] AKChris++
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[AaronF] KevinMarks++
[hcatlin] "Commodization" is supposed to be good.
[Mutiny] etech is one of the more incestuous cons i think.
[KevinMarks] once you add a little solar cell to the flat solidstate recorder with piezo mic/speaker
[AKChris] The irony of innovation happening at the edge is pretty heavy given how insider this conference on innovative tech can be
[KevinMarks] Tiny Island was better
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[tommorris] I wonder whether we'll have a Technology2.0 style event in London like we did last year for us poor sods who didn't get to go to Etech
[AKChris] KavinMarks++
[AKChris] KevinMarks++
[hcatlin] "commoditization" is supposed to have a risque joke... which, at today's pacing... would be *fantastic*
[AKChris] just finiish this poor thing off already!
[AKChris] it's OVER
[AKChris] before it started
[tommorris] Ooh - http://www.snackspot.org.uk/thread.php?story=0703201856cpi
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[Mutiny] GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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[KevinMarks] tea!
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[jibot] RemyDWD is Dan Dickinson, who blogs at http://vjarmy.com/, and works for the Cornell Medical College as a technology analyst, and is still mean but funny according to Suw
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[Mutiny] slooooooooow
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[mediaserf] the pours at the bar are doubles but the price is too
[hcatlin] its a deal then!
[hcatlin] 1 session count down!
[hcatlin] i'm going to puke!
[Mutiny] don't forget to stiff your bartender
[hcatlin] the nerves came back.
[hcatlin] I NEED A DRINK.
[Mutiny] 150 ccs of jim beam STAT
[RemyDWD] Walking to Gallery is unintentionally hilarious.
[Mutiny] hcatlin are you on stage?
[hcatlin] Nope. I"m the session after.
[hcatlin] Douglas A!
[hcatlin] Most entertaining talk you will see here.... I can promise that! (If you are a nerd)
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[mediaserf] i dont think they have Jim Beam...Macallan scotch though
[Mutiny] which talk?
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[hcatlin] Haml: A Semantic Rebellion in Template Land
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[RemyDWD] hcatlin: The backchannel fully awaits you to fulfill your promises of both semantics and rebellion.
[cspurgeon] test
[hcatlin] Oh, I will indeed!
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[mediaserf] is Ham
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[jibot] justatheory is David Wheeler of Kineticode and Bricolage fame. http://www.justatheory.com/ and principal engineer for Values of n, aka raelity's biatch
[hcatlin] And I'm sure my backchannel logging will bare out if I do or nto!
[mediaserf] l named after mark hamil?
[hcatlin] No, its named after *ME*
[hcatlin] I mean, if you're going to invent something, you need a least a moderate God-Complex, right?
[mediaserf] :)
[RemyDWD] I thought it was named after delicious ham.
[RemyDWD] The l is pronounced as a drooling sound?
[hcatlin] You guys are totally pre-empting my first two JOKES.
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[jibot] esigler is in Kansas City, MO and blogs at http://esigler.2nw.net/
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[Mutiny] ham-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhlllllllllllllllllllllll
[hcatlin] Pronounced like Mark Hamill.
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[RemyDWD] Looks like Cory left his iTunes open. And sharing on.
[hcatlin] OMGZ!
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[hcatlin] We need more Hummer jokes.
[Mutiny] thank god for that itunes share ripping program
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[hcatlin] Its like regular music, but with at least 134.5% more awesome.
[Mutiny] tatu?
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[therealjeb] He left his itunes sharing on CCShareAndShareAlike
[RemyDWD] Lots of compilations
[RemyDWD] Lots of best of's
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[RemyDWD] And he has his own audiobooks!
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[hcatlin] Can you tell the listen-count?
[RemyDWD] Don't think so
[hcatlin] Personally, I love hearing myself talk.
[hcatlin] Hampton the Hot Air Balloon!
[BigD] the america cup rooms are nearly blowing away
[hcatlin] Are you in the commoditization thing?
[BigD] yep
[hcatlin] Me too.
[hcatlin] Blue striped jacket, back left, black glasses.
[BigD] the wind noise is crazy
[hcatlin] Yeah, its kind of scary.
[BigD] it's never this windy here
[hcatlin] *rarely* this windy.
[hcatlin] Not never.
[BigD] you all came to SD at a weird time
[therealjeb] I was surprised to learn that San Diego is the windiest place on earth
[BigD] me2, and I live here.
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[BigD] and the train siren is a bit of a pain as well
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[hcatlin] I like this guy's talk.
[BigD] he's got good pictures
[hcatlin] Its at least entertaining.
[Mutiny] there were some power outages uptown from all the wind.
[BigD] si
[Mutiny] good day for disc golf
[therealjeb] The main takeaway from Etech so far is that Keynote presentations look awesome, powerpoint presentations look like ass.
[hcatlin] I wrote my own software to run my presentation.
[hcatlin] I'm going lotek.
[hcatlin] CONSOLE, bitches!
[RemyDWD] Wither, S5?
[therealjeb] Why was there no sponsored cocktail hour last night? Followup question: is there one tonight?
[hober] there's always elpoint
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[jibot] sexygirl153 is a sexy girl
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[Ash] ?learn sexygirl153 is 153
[jibot] sexygirl153 is a sexy girl and 153
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[sexygirl153] not sure what this talk is about...
[hcatlin] which talk?
[Mutiny] ASHWORTH
[sexygirl153] cory
[Ash] HEHE
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[jibot] rachelc_ is a desperate housewife
[Mutiny] topics include DRM, IM SO KEWL, and LOL DONGS
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[Ash] LOL DISNEY DES DONGUES
[hcatlin] Heheh
[sexygirl153] indeed
[hcatlin] What is a "Creche"?
[BigD] DRM bad
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[sexygirl153] "the darknet doesn't trigger..."
[rachelc_] ?forget rachelc_ is a desparate housewife
[jibot] I did not know rachelc_ was a desparate housewife
[sexygirl153] hcatlin: child care service
[sexygirl153] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creche
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[hcatlin] I learn something every day!
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[therealjeb] hcatlin: a creche is one of those christmas jesus holders.
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[jibot] jgoldman is online and an all around swell cat. and the President of Radiant Core, Inc., designers of the Official Firefox 2 Theme. He blogs at www.radiantcore.com
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[jibot] tengi is Chris Tengi and a SysAdmin in the Princeton University CS Department and a blogger at http://lookingabot.blogspot.com
[Mutiny] Ash bahahahahaha "dongues"
[hcatlin] ?learn jgoldman has nice glasses
[jibot] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
[Ash] hehe
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[jibot] mediaserf is Brian Parsons who does large-scale LAMP platforms in the traditional and new media space
[hcatlin] Dang!
[hcatlin] Stupid computers!
[hcatlin] I'm giving up with computers!
[hcatlin] Fuck this!
[Ash] computers suck
[sexygirl153] ?learn jgoldman is wearing nice glasses
[jibot] jgoldman is online and an all around swell cat. and the President of Radiant Core, Inc., designers of the Official Firefox 2 Theme. He blogs at www.radiantcore.com and wearing nice glasses
[hcatlin] I'm going to go live in a cave.
[hcatlin] Ahhh, thank you sexygirl.
[jgoldman] sexygirl153: i am not wearing glasses.
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[jibot] AKChris is one of 137.5 people named Chris at Etech, but the only one from Alaska who thinks it's really hot outside
[hcatlin] Yeah, that was my problem with the grammer.
[hcatlin] Ok, I'm going to go barf before my talk.
[jgoldman] sexygirl153: at least not that i know of.
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[hcatlin] See ya'll in Douglas A!
[sexygirl153] look closely!
[hcatlin] Word!
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[KevinMarks] if "'making everyone equally unhappy" is a policy goal, you have already failed
[jgoldman] yeah. no glasses.
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[jibot] davidascher is David Ascher, from ActiveState/Vancouver, and likes Airstreams
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[jibot] mygrant is Myles Grant and rarely posts at http://www.mylesgrant.com/ and created http://www.blogskins.com/, which he has ignored for far too long
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[sexygirl153] where's is cory's red cape?
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[sexygirl153] http://xkcd.com/c239.html
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*sexygirl153 is sending cory hate mail
[BigD] he'll drop things from his balloon on you
[mikemee] it commodity: nice slides
[KevinMarks] in games we call griefers Clubs after the Bartletts MUD essay: http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm
[mikemee] but allow 1/2 hr to get to the room
[jruderman] here's what the world.wikia.com travel guide says about san diego:
[jruderman] "San Diego truly has some of the best looking people in the US if you like tanned and toned bodies...as most of us do."
[jruderman] http://sandiego.wikia.com/wiki/Downtown
[mroth] does it mention the wind?
[BigD] there is no wind
[jgoldman] there is only howling gale.
[mikemee] no rain either, except when people visit
[mediaserf] there is no spoon either
[BigD] yeah, sorry about the weather...
[BigD] i pay a LOT of taxes for good weather
[jgoldman] BigD: it's your fault?
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[BigD] i'll see about a refund
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[Mutiny] san diego will ALWAYS have shitty weather whenever people visit.
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[jgoldman] given the number of conference hotels here, isn't that always?
[AaronF] I'm going to post the hints to the Wii scavenger hunt
[AKChris] did etech kill twitter?
[Mutiny] it's mother earth saying "stay the fuck away."
[AaronF] just a heads up
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[Mutiny] wii scavenger hunt?
[AaronF] http://sandiego.wik.is/index.php?title=MindTouch_Scavenger_Hunt%2C_Wii%21%21
[BigD] there is no scaveger hunt
[BigD] :)
[Mutiny] who's going to "TacoCamp" in TJ?
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[KevinMarks] 30 mile an hour winds today
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[jibot] ikisai is Trying to take in Animism and suffering from return of RSI
[therealjeb] Taco WHAT?
[hober] Mutiny: when is it?
[mediaserf] AaronF if you threw your wii controller into the bay a scavenger hunt is not going to bring it back
[sexygirl153] BaconCamp FTW
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[hober] I usually skip TJ on the way to Rosarito or Ensenada
[therealjeb] theres no way a human could throw anything into that bay.
[BigD] MargaritaCamp
[mediaserf] unless James Cameron is participating. he may actually find it...he found the tomb of jeebus
[KevinMarks] Force 7 on the Beaufort scale
[sexygirl153] "i believe!"
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[Mutiny] AdelitasCamp
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[gregbiggers] stinkin' NAT
[LoRez] if you reconnect, you'll get fancy new hostmasks
[LoRez] (if you haven't gotten it already)
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[Mutiny] what is this etech2k7 hostmask fuckery?
[tengi] many of us wouldn't think of fighting our own 3 alarm chilli
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[jibot] PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
[gregbiggers] after the hawkins talk earlier, compared to the mathemagician last night, who wants to trust computing anyway?
[cspurgeon] Most cellphone calls are in or near a car?!?! Seems hard to believe.
[RemyDWD] Freenode just raised the limit for our IP again
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[AaronF] ok all, Hits are up
[AaronF] enjoy
[AaronF] Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!
[KevinMarks] O'R should donate to freenode
[sexygirl153] hyper-visor
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[RemyDWD] KevinMarks: I was asked to have the conference organizers let the admin staff know in the future before a conference for IP limit changes
[albertoescarlate] hypervisor is the supervisor's boss
[gregbiggers] i'd like to find my way into the wild
[gregbiggers] albertoescarlate++
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[KevinMarks] yeah, I used to ping lilo when I was on my way to one
[KevinMarks] invite some admins to #joiito
[jgoldman] Blue Pill info: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1983037,00.asp
[gregbiggers] sw radios rock
[tengi] software defined radio++
[Mutiny] FUCKIN YUSS
[Mutiny] I KNOW ALL THESE PLACES
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[gregbiggers] a godload is approximately 1000x(heroload)
[Mutiny] i'm not in a session i'm at my office uptown
[AaronF] So, just to make sure everyone knows: YOU CAN WIN A WII
[gregbiggers] damn. not perffect answers
[therealjeb] Im more interested in the tacos.
[Ash] did somebody say tacos
[hober] Mutiny: you work in uptown? I live in uptown, bu work in UTC.
[RemyDWD] Tacos?
[gregbiggers] who is playing the french horn next door?
[AaronF] Tacos?
[AaronF] TacoCamp?
[Mutiny] cooler.
[AaronF] Best Mex in SanDiego: Mexican Fiesta
[hober] FYI, for out-of-towners: Mama Testa Taqueria on University has, by far, the best tacos you will ever have.
[therealjeb] where is that?
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[therealjeb] is there a good taco joint walking distance from the hotel?
[AaronF] 1 sec
[therealjeb] i went to the closest match on gmaps last night but i negged it once i saw it.
[therealjeb] so i got some gross pizza instead.
[sexygirl153] what session are people favoring next?
[gregbiggers] the book divided by enforcement calories
[tengi] I think there's a Baja Fresh by the Westin
[RemyDWD] I pray that Baja Fresh isn't the best in San Diego
[tengi] (where ETech was 2 yrs ago)
[AaronF] Mexican fiesta: http://sandiego.wik.is/Restaurants
[AaronF] The menu is attached on the bottom of that page
[AaronF] O/w if you want Spanish food, Sevilla is killer
[therealjeb] awesome thanks
[AaronF] Sevilla is in the gas lamp
[Mutiny] BAJA FRESH????????????????????????????
[Mutiny] wtf
[hober] Mama Testa would be worth cabpooling -- I guarantee it
[gregbiggers] quick-- multiply the law times the difficulty of enforcement squared
[gregbiggers] carry the one! carry the one!
[sexygirl153] left to right, left to right
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[therealjeb] add it to capdemon
[gregbiggers] demon...
[gregbiggers] CAP
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[sexygirl153] TCG compliant BIOS ftw
[sexygirl153] TPM 1.2, also good i hear
[therealjeb] what is mama testa?
[gregbiggers] do they have this stuff for roombas?
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[therealjeb] A Mexican Fiesta Killer?
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[gregbiggers] but can't you turn off the twc in the bios?
[sexygirl153] not without liquid nitrogen! or something!
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[gregbiggers] i have horrible memory isolation. the drinking memories keep mixing with the education memories.
[segfault1010] I'm not sure my drinking memories aren't my education memories
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[gregbiggers] trusted as in beer?
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[justatheory] http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/deb-ian
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[cybaea] Newton == slacker :-D
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[AKChris] of course Newton also spent 20 years proving the existence of god's secret cabal
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[sexygirl153b] urgh - this is stupid!
[KevinMarks] 24TB isn't that big
[davidcrow] sexygirl153b: what? HAML?
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[factoryjoe] ah, HAML -- i was going to check that out
[RemyDWD] Now I want ham, and fries, and beer.
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[factoryjoe] in the meantime, check this out. since it's cool: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/445498/robotic_beer_launching_refrigerator/
[KevinMarks] I have a 1TB that is about the size of a Mac Mini
[sexygirl153b] yeah - it's just annoying me now, but i want to love
[cybaea] beer is after the talk. don't know about ham and fries.....
[AaronF_] oh factoryjoe, right that's you chris
[sexygirl153b] oh - it's whitespace based?
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[davidcrow] sexygirl153b: like Python for Rails
[KevinMarks] yes, it is whitespace sensitive
[AaronF_] Oh he asks and then pre-empts us
[AaronF_] he's tricky
[cybaea] average of innovation = mediocrity
[sexygirl153b] that makes it sooo much harder to read and write. haml--
[factoryjoe] 3M = minnesota mining and manufacturing
[AaronF_] oh this is the dude from Duke
[AaronF_] damn dookie
[KevinMarks] bollocks a channel schedule is useful for a program you missed
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[KevinMarks] make bbc4 a tag
[AaronF_] UNC did this years before, but our beer launching robot also had machine vision
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[KevinMarks] term extraction isn't tags
[KevinMarks] it's broken search
[cybaea] http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/our/company/information/history/
[cybaea] Richard G. Drew is the guy with the masking tape
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[jgoldman] HAML: i'm not sure i follow - why is it better to take out the ids and classes?
[AKChris] I hope we get the story of that brown box tape next. I've always wondered...
[mediaserf] whats with the blue painting tape?
[AKChris] I'm not quite ready for double-sided tape though
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[sexygirl153b] i'm not getting HAML at all - it just seems worse in every way
[sexygirl153b] you can't open it in a browser
[RemyDWD] sexygirl153b: You're only going to make him puke again when he comes back and reads the backchannel archive
[cybaea] source: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/our/company/information/history/McKnight-principles/
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[sexygirl153b] one moment it's "easier for designers", next it has ruby hash syntax replacing xml. hmph
[AaronF_] crap
[factoryjoe] sexygirl153b: am checking haml docs... seems unnecessary reinvention
[cybaea] 10% is better than I would have guessed
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[RemyDWD] cybaea++ for sourcing that
[AKChris] ruby hash syntax is intrinsically beautiful. Keats would have swooned
[jgoldman] is the TV session good?
[mouthbeef] Yes!
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[hvnt] find the paragraphs here: http://tinyurl.com/2rb64z
[KevinMarks] MPEG2 is stream-oriented, so it's chunk size is a GOP of frames
[cybaea] Size matters
[sexygirl153b] this *seems* to also fall apart after a nexting level of 10 or so
[sexygirl153b] *nesting
[therealjeb] its even getting windy in the building. I could barely close the door of Douglas B
[KevinMarks] better to chunk at chot boundaries than 1-second chunks
[KevinMarks] unless your GOP size is exactly aligned with seconds
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[jibot] Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & is now back & living in Edinburgh & lucky enough to be married to Vikki & blogs at http://www.ewanspence.com/ & still Scottish
[KevinMarks] anyone get that url?
[AKChris] 500,000 - 1/2 million
[AKChris] I exist to capture the real gems
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[cybaea] delegating authority is the key
[ikisai] love.warhead.org.uk/~alaric/MPEGChunking.pdf this one
[RemyDWD] Delegating authority to capture gems is the key
[KevinMarks] ta
[AKChris] rassd is the key
[ikisai] when used with smalltalk

Gil Penchina, CEO, Wikia, Inc. gave a talk today called Successful Open Communities on the Internet which was one of the most exciting things for me personally that I've seen yet. Not because he was saying anything new, but because finally someone has the same perspective on communities that we've been pushing with Metroblogging. I'll get to that connection after the jump.

The initial part of his talk was just about communities in general and wikis in particular and how they found that with open communities "transparency is more important than privacy." He talked about what they are doing with search.wikia.com where they are making the search algorithms transparent and auditable, and allowing humans to fix the results when the machines are wrong. It's a pretty drastic change for search since until this point the idea has always been that machine based algorithms are king, and it's just a matter of who has the best ones. Obviously people can spot the scams and SEO much better and quicker so it will be interesting to see where that leads.

When asked what the business plan is he pointed out that the business plan is that they spend zero dollars on advertising, zero dollars on marketing, zero on software (open source) and 50,000 pages of content are being added a month. There is almost zero overhead for the sites which makes perfect business sense when combined with advertising.

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So on the topic of user created content someone posed the question that always comes up - are you now or are you planning to pay the authors? They are not. But it's not that simple. And this is the part that really struck a cord with me. At Metroblogging all of our authors are volunteer. Thats been the case since day one and I've talked about it on several occasions. We feel that when people are paid to create content, the quality goes down because they are shifting to being employees rather than members of a community. The difference between a post you write about something you are genuinely interested in and a post you are making to get a paycheck is extremely noticeable. We've always said we'd rather have posts by people who are actually interested in and have some emotional connection to the thing they are writing about. Obviously you can't remove quantity from the equation all together because then you'd have nothing to look at, but with some blog networks requiring their authors to make X number of posts a day in order to get paid $X amount at the end of the month, well, we'd rather have fewer posts by more people that are not just filler. Gil was the first person outside of our group I've seen who came to the same conclusion.

Back to his take - "Paying people screws up the culture" - compensation makes the content crappy because people do just enough to get paid where as when it's all volunteer people only post about things they are actually interested in. Paying a few people pisses off the people who aren't being paid and can kill the community so when you are dealing with user generated content it's all or nothing - paying a few people for their content is much more dangerous than paying no one, and when dealing with hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of contributors there isn't a payment model that actually makes sense on any level. That's not to say they aren't trying - they tried something to let people take the software and set up their own wikis to get a share of the advertising, the thought being if you create this community then you can share in revenues, but they quickly found most people prefer to stay with the main system (established community) rather than set up their own (get paid). This shows that the Magic is the community, not the software.

This idea of open serving allows rather than just one wiki based sports magazine, there could be 50 sports magazines that all have a slightly different slant and their own community, and wikia would make cash off all of them. Someone asked if at that point they'd be more of an advertising broker than a content provider. Gil said that if that happens they will not turn into an advertising company, but rather that they would just partner with someone like FM and allow them to sell the inventory so Wikia could continue to focus on the content.

Was just in the Successful Open Communities on the Internet session with Gil Penchina (CEO of Wikia) and it was amazing. I've got a TON to write about it, though no time at the second so that will be coming in a bit. Also Twitter isn't loading for me at all for some reason so if you are sending me direct messages there (as some folks have) I can't get to them to respond, sorry about that. Perhaps the connection at the hotel later will fix that. Heading out to the reception now, more later.

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(backchannel from these two sessions can be found here)

Creating Alternate Realities - Jane McGonigal

She is a hacker - not in the coding skills, but in that she likes to hack the real world to make it more like a game. She thinks a lot about the future and is an existentialist. Alternate Realities are realistic, though not always atainable.

Future forecast (2012) - quality of life is the primary metric for evaluating everyday technology. positive psychology is principal design. public expects tech companies to have a clear vision of a life worth living.

Findings - 3 realms of Happiness. Pleasure (experiences), Engagements (immersive), Meaning (having a powerful role in the world around you.

"Bounce Out" scores high on engagement but that only lasts a few moments which goes away when you go back to your real life. Halo, Second Life and how those leak back into real life. Some examples of games spilling over into real life:

ministry of reshelving
cruel 2 b kind
tombstone hold'em poker
i love bees
world without oil (launching April 30)

new games are supergames - supersized, superimposed (ontop of real life), super heroic (you aren't playing a character, you are playing yourself), supercomputing (parallel problem-solving). So what does this have to do with hapiness? Persistent plesure, engagement in real life, purpose and meaning, and makes you part of something bigger.

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Why Can’t a Computer Be More Like a Brain? How a New Theory of Neocortex Will Lead to Truly Intelligent Machines - Jeff Hawkins

Jeff starts off by saying he's not a hacker, gammer, and finds enough alternate reality in the real world that he doesn't look for it elsewhere. A quick intro to the Turing Maching (Alan Turing 1937) - what has worked and what hasn't. Machines are great for somethings - mathmatics, databases, communications, video, images, etc.. but not so great at visual perception, auditory perception, languages, adaptive behavior, and other things that are super easy for people. So why aren't machines doing these things yet? Four answers to that question:

1. Computers are not powerful enough yet.
2. Brains are too complex to understand.
3. Brains work on quantum principles.
4. Brains are magic.

problem is most of these are the result of smart people thinking about brains and not figuring them out so assuming they can't be figured out.

however - brains are not too complex, they don't work on strange principles, we just don't understand how they work.

Now he shows a lot of slides showing how brains are wired that I really can't even pretend to try and describe. Then goes on to talk about Hierarchical Temporal Memory and how it works, and how it's similar to brains.

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After the jump are the back channels from about 11-12 or so. Mostly the talks by Jane McGonigal and Jeff Hawkins.

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[davidcrow] that's the ETech wifi I remember
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[cspurgeon] Woo Hoo, connection back.
[cspurgeon] davidcrow++
[segfault1010_] yay - back online
[seanbonner] seems like I spoke too soon about the network
[TedOffensive] Alec, I'll take 'Science of a penis' for $800
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[Ewan_] oooh, bandwidth
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[leftist] that you can say that renders your statement questionable mediaserf
[mediaserf] I wish the red box would let me in
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[RemyDWD] Red box says no.
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[jibot] ikisai is at France Telecom/Orange and in a nebulous position and Working for a Big Corp as a Strategic Advisor and thinking exec briefing was a good way to already hear this mornings sessions so far
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[mediaserf] I'll go start my own internet....with blackjack! and hookers! .
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[gregbiggers] whew
[gregbiggers] damned wifi
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[RemyDWD] Working WiFi is the true key to happiness.
[TedOffensive] if someone knows of a free Windows XP way to turn my wifi into an AP, I'll share my cell connection
*davidcrow is leaving for mediaserf's Internet
[cybaea_] back online....
[cspurgeon] Did she say where these comments were coming from? URL?
[davidcrow] yeah, it doesn't seem to work
[gregbiggers] did not say
[cspurgeon] ...
[segfault1010_] @cs no, she just said online
[mediaserf] Happiness Measures --- like valium?
[reilly_] damn, these connection problems are really slowing down my torrents
[micahsifry] this presentation has been so unbelievably lame
[TedOffensive] Alec, I'll take 'a penis measure' for $600
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[davidcrow] http://avantgarde.com/happiness was the URI
[mediaserf] reilly_++
[jgoldman_] micahsifry: i liked it actually
[davidcrow] http://www.avantgame.com/writings.htm#PRESENTATION MEDIA
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[jgoldman_] there's a crew in Toronto who does these kinds of things: www.newmindspace.com
[hcatlin] My life just flashed before my eyes... no interwbs!
[gregbiggers] what?
[cybaea_] cspurgeon: try www.iftf.org
[KevinMarks] micah, come play werewolf with Jane
[segfault1010_] not engaging enough for the shallow coverage
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[hcatlin] Makes "svn co" difficult.
[jgoldman_] they ran a Capture the Flag game downtown at night with 1,000 players
[gregbiggers] not snarky?
*mediaserf has no idea what snarky participation is
[andy2u] see also (turning your surfing into a game, via a firefox plgin) : http://bud.com/help/about/
[micahsifry] hi kevin
[cybaea_] micahsifry: At least it is not a sales spiel like the Amazon one...
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[leftist] my friend destroyed his leg during that capture the flag game
[segfault1010_] Claremont develops ancient greek wisdoms
[mediaserf] leftist - if he has $6 Million we can rebuild him....we have the technology
[O_RLY] does the greek model of happiness involve catamites?
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[micahsifry] there's something unbelievably out of touch about this talk...though I guess if you're paid to invent alternate realities why not
[davidcrow] When Jane first took the stage I thought they said her name was McGarnicle
[leftist] i actually don't mind hearing about positive, lofty big picture goals
[hcatlin] BodyPart.find_by_name("leg").destroy
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[davidcrow] hcatlin++
[mediaserf] does she think courier is cool?
[davidcrow] courier new is cool
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[hcatlin] I love the font-bashing.
[ikisai] does the think we can't read
[BigD] all courier is meant to be read outloud
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[gregbiggers] if happiness is the new capital, i'm starting a happiness exchange.
[blosx_] if happiness is a "new capital" how do you spend it, invest it, or store it?
[O_RLY] conclusion: make the world better
[gregbiggers] i'll just take a microsmile off each transaction
[mediaserf] at least she's using colors...why you would color and not change from courier I don't know
[hcatlin] Font choices are literally the most important thing in a presentation.
[davidcrow] yes, because URIs that don't work are cool
[O_RLY] there, there wolf!
[hcatlin] Second, hair. Third, outfit. Fourth, content.
[KevinMarks] micah, come play werewolf, you'd like it
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[cspurgeon] nice
[BigD] "literally"
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[jibot] PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
[BigD] heh
[jgoldman_] gregbiggers: is the happiness exchange in your pants?
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[mediaserf] the wheelchair guy?
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[davidcrow] yeah, palm pilot
[O_RLY] screamin' jef hawkins
[O_RLY] meat in the middle
[davidcrow] truckin' jef hawkins
[Ewan_] Pilot5000++
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[micahsifry] ping
[segfault1010_] pwned
[mediaserf] according to her definition knowing basic on a C64 made you a hacker
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[KevinMarks] can't he sing that to the my fair lady song?
[leftist] we miss you alan
[O_RLY] alan turing for apple computer
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[cspurgeon] Knowing basic on a C64 *does* make you a hacker.
[cspurgeon] If you know it well enough.
[micahsifry] i'm sure i'd like werewolf...i like games...i just don't like a talk about the future that is so blithely oblivious to reality
[mediaserf] she looked a little to prissy to be into peeking and poking
[gregbiggers] mediaserf++
[BigD] BASIC on a TRS-80, baby. Peeking and poking.
[Ewan_] Agreeed, even thought the ZX Spectrum was far better than the C64, if you program that, you're a hacker
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[KevinMarks] Basic on a PET made me a hacker
[jgoldman_] welcome AaronF!
[davidcrow] LOAD "HAPPINESS",8,1
[gregbiggers] using basic on a C64 TODAY might even get you in Make
[davidcrow] RUN
[KevinMarks] as I had to learn assembler to make it do cool stuff
[mediaserf] davidcrow++
[gregbiggers] PET++
[AaronF__] hey
[gregbiggers] loved the industrial design on the pet
[jgoldman_] Please press play on tape
[O_RLY] we don't do this effortlessly, we're just unaware of the effort
*Ewan_ points to his ZX Specrum on his DS
[micahsifry] sort of like saying we'll help the people in Darfur by visiting them in Second Life
[mediaserf] Gregg - does using basic on a C64 emulator today get into make?
[BigD] i used to get 80 Microcomputing and type assembly programs in to the trs80 one byte at a time with tbug
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[cspurgeon] My C64 can
*RodBegbie points to his ZX Spectrum on his cellphone
[O_RLY] jef hawkins summarizes a thousand years of brain science and philosophy as something completely new ...
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[O_RLY] reason one - they're morons
[tengi] anybody know anything about the new "palm" he's working on?
[O_RLY] reason two - see reason one
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[gregbiggers] brains or computers?
[O_RLY] "it is often said" = "they're wrong!"
[davidcrow] ON COGNITION GOTO COMPLEXITY
[BigD] heh
[O_RLY] "when you look at history" ... oh boy
[gregbiggers] maybe the computers are too fast, not too slow
[O_RLY] hey, if only we understood them, they wouldn't be so hard to understand!
[davidcrow] I pressed the turbo button
[davidcrow] I think this machine has nitrous
[[1]hvnt] too complex until you understand - like the magic tricks last night
[O_RLY] I won't go into those (because I'm going to completely gloss over them in favor of strawman arguments)
[davidcrow] O_RLY++
[mediaserf] I think brains use water cooling
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[gregbiggers] the emperors new mind is totally ajaxy
[O_RLY] conclusion - everyone but Jef is a sham
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[gregbiggers] i think brains use bourbon cooling
[BigD] ah, there's the "magic"
[davidcrow] gregbiggers++
[mediaserf] gregbiggers++
[mediaserf] my brain does
[O_RLY] they called me mad! mad I say!
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[seanbonner] Magic!~
[leftist] self.synthesize(:caffeine) { attention ||= params[:new_content] }
[ikisai] is it a requisite to have the word magic in every ppt
[gregbiggers] my kidney seems pretty magic this morning
[Ewan_] tengi - the 'third business stand' may not be a plam.
[cybaea_] magic is good
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[jscott] its turtles all the way up.....
[gregbiggers] "You invite a bunch of people over for dessert. You sell them soap. Then you get 3 or 4 of them to do the same thing to all of their friends..."
[AaronF__] lol davidascher++
[cybaea_] neural networks were interesing sometime in the early nineties. This sounds like neural networks....
[gregbiggers] "... pretty soon you reach double diamond status"
[hcatlin] Ryan: Do I see you "cap deploy"ing?
[BigD] yoz - careful where you smuggle those
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[mediaserf] cool thank you. I think NBC wanting a US version held the production up
[AaronF__] cap? demon cap, OH carry the one
[O_RLY] I am smart and ran a business, therefore I am an expert on a field in which I have done no serious study or work
[gregbiggers] carry the one. I forgot to carry the one.
[jscott] training the turtles is hard
[AaronF__] UGH!!! DEMON CAP
[jgoldman] O_RLY: he has actually done some study and work
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[mediaserf] gregbiggers++
[davidcrow] the simplest way is not to think like a melogy
[jgoldman] O_RLY: he wrote a book
[hcatlin] CUP DEMON, actually.
[O_RLY] no work in the field, not no work on the book
[gregbiggers] esther dyson's ear is blinking
[jgoldman] book = field
[jgoldman] gregbiggers++
[O_RLY] book = book. book != research
[cybaea_] we got another 1/2 hour of this stuff??? :-(
[jgoldman] have you read it?
[BigD] i hate when ppl where those ear blinkers in the theatre
[davidcrow] blue ear, its a repetitive strain injury
[O_RLY] based on this talk, I don't think I need to
[gregbiggers] at least he mentioned Bayesian
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[davidcrow] belief propogation
[jgoldman] i haven't either - but i'm just saying that he might have done a lot of research for the book
[jscott] ok, so how do you stock trading with it, thats alwasy where these things go to
[mediaserf] so can I use my brain to detect and block email spam?
[davidcrow] that's what Jim Jones used
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[O_RLY] jg, it's possible, but I'm not hearing it here
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[O_RLY] I perceive that he uses the same barber as Macauley Culkin
[cybaea_] very small dots....
[KevinMarks] this is a fast-tlaking summary fo the book
*yoz suddenly considers a blogging extension for Tasword
[jgoldman] ] Considering it came from an outsider, On Intelligence received surprising accolades from neuroscientists.
[gregbiggers] O_RLY++
[mediaserf] looks like his haircut is what Bill Gates haircut is supposed to look like
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[davidcrow] O_RLY++
[O_RLY] emphasis on fast talking
[leftist] finally
[gregbiggers] mediaserf++
[RodBegbie] yoz++
[davidcrow] NudePIC
[cybaea_] sophisticated == "we worked on it for a while..] "
[schemish_] anyone going to Numenta talk?
[gregbiggers] hmm. can it run vmware images?
[O_RLY] the runtime environment is Windows Mobile
[davidcrow] I heard this runs on EC2
[davidcrow] that's what the previous talk told me
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[schemish_] Win3.11 for worgroups
[gregbiggers] schemish++
[mediaserf] BEST WINDOWS EVAR!
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[O_RLY] the third component is MAGIC!!!1!
[gregbiggers] python.
[O_RLY] and ponies
[cspurgeon] python count = 1
[gregbiggers] pyBrains
[hcatlin] BURN THE WITCH!
[KevinMarks] the animism one sounds more interesting
[davidcrow] why is the number 2) 1) 3)
[davidascher_] sigh
[O_RLY] magic and ponies
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[cybaea] Please: Is he *ever* going to get to any *applications* of this stuff?
*cybaea groans
[mediaserf] its like AMD memory timings
[KevinMarks] ponies++
[davidcrow] KevinMarks++
[da5id_] algorithms != cognition
[seanbonner] Ugh, nothing like getting 150 lines of IRC all at once
[gregbiggers] i will only believe this works if it is good at hot or not
[cspurgeon] pyton count = 3
[O_RLY] and we've proved / demonstrated that our model is correct or better than everything else because .......
[davidcrow] damn biggers was right
[jscott] turlte++
[cybaea] 2-1-3 I can count too
[da5id_] c++ ugh...
[leftist] a frog is green, green is pretty, what is pretty?
[davidascher_] O_RLY: that would be interesting.
[blosx_] "...and it's all powered by Mechanical Turk" ;)
[cybaea] python++
[mediaserf] shiny and innovative = pretty
[O_RLY] does this thing work? we have customers!!!
[gregbiggers] we still don't know aht this thing is really supposed to do
[cybaea] blosx_++
[da5id_] or colorless green images sleep furiously?
[davidcrow] look it uses the Atkins internet
[jscott] after pict's stock trading!!
[gregbiggers] shiny + happy = expensive
[cybaea] customers are good. Shiny customers
[jgoldman] davidcrow++
[Endora] They use it create their vision statements
[davidascher_] this is so far from science...
[gregbiggers] (happy is capital)
[jgoldman] did he say he'll show us how to play with ourselves?
[O_RLY] oh gawd, a 32x32 image recognition system. didn't rod brooks cockroach robots do this 20 years ago?
[cybaea] yeah
[leftist] i smell vapour
[seanbonner] that dog is missing some legs
[jgoldman] it's for auto-reconizing favicons on websites.
[cybaea] old hat
[davidcrow] leftist++
[da5id_] pixels?
[O_RLY] the air/vapor mix is reaching criticality
[BigD] dammit, my password is up there!
[mediaserf] jgoldman++
[O_RLY] please, no smoking
[cspurgeon] BigD++
[davidcrow] it's distributed graffiti
[jscott] many grad students died to bring us this slide
[jgoldman] jscott++
[davidcrow] that's not what a dog looks like
[O_RLY] when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a brain
[leftist] holy crap this can tell us what's actually happening on Lost island
[RemyDWD] http://www.numenta.com/for-developers/software.php
[gregbiggers] O_RLY++
[drejtiv] Welcome to AAAI '87
[davidcrow] leftist++
[schemish_] I'll sign up for EC2 to try it there. Worst case, Amazon goes down.
[BigD] leftist++
[jameshome] my battery is about to die and irc is making this talk bearable.
[cspurgeon] Those symbols look a lot like the Canadian aboriginal alphabet.
[leftist] 8 15 16 23 42
[cspurgeon] Or the Armenian alphabet
[O_RLY] this is really pushing AI * forward (circa 1956)
[cybaea] still sounds a lot like neural networks....
[davidascher_] cf. neural nets, ca. 1970's.
[gregbiggers] its like AF-- artificial folksonomy
[leftist] i declare thissuxx
[cybaea] O_RLY++
[O_RLY] this smells like _______
[davidcrow] I think I remember writing this but it was Lisp not python
[davidcrow] http://act-r.psy.cmu.edu/about/
[segfault1010_] what happens with a dog at 3/4 view?
[jgoldman] dumb bell is not two words
[cybaea] capcha beater?
[jscott] all your emoticons below to us
[O_RLY] hey, it's good enough to play atari 2600 games!
[leftist] HotOrNot Captcha
[gregbiggers] jscott++
[RemyDWD] Can the system recognize how many of those look like boobs?
[jgoldman] O_RLY++
[seanbonner] davidcrow: again with the Lisp!
[drejtiv] Marr anyone?
[mediaserf] RemyDWD++
[O_RLY] we believe this is what the neucortex does ... BECAUSE????
[davidcrow] All your brain are belong to us
[jscott] ++
[O_RLY] I miss Marr
[schemish_] cspurgeon - we need to talk (i don't like jokes about my alphabet)
[davidascher_] O_RLY: see, you keep trying to actually get him pinned down. won't happen =)
[O_RLY] anyway, I've got a lovely proof, but it wouldn't fit in the margins of this powerpoint
[leftist] send up Cory Doctorow or something
[jgoldman] www.idee.com
[davidcrow] seanbonner: don't we all just spend our programming lives reimplementing lisp in whatever runtime we're working in
[O_RLY] we've been approached by a lot of people - panhandlers, street buskers ...
[cybaea] is ALOI online? or only for $$$$
[KevinMarks] I thought the neocortical stuff for vision had been shown by dissection
[davidcrow] can HTM build drupal?
[cybaea] Amsterdam library of object images (ALOI)
[davidascher_] KevinMarks: anatomical stuff sure, but not functional.
[da5id_] he is obviously a "visual" thinker not a "linguistic" thinker.
[seanbonner] "our stuff is so rad everyone wants it"
[gregbiggers] davidcrow++
[leftist] why isn't idee presenting?
[O_RLY] GM paid us, so it must be true!!!1!!!
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[davidcrow] sign up for an Idee BOF
[jscott] GM, hmm maybe it can help them with pensions
[cybaea] www.science.uva.nl/~aloi/
[mediaserf] what the auto makers want to know is "Is there a blond woman behind the wheel? If so extend bumpers 4 inches "
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[schemish_] happiness hacking with HTM!!!!!
[leftist] mediaself--
[O_RLY] I can't talk about these applications, but take us seriously - the koreans do!
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[davidcrow] mediaserf--
[RemyDWD] davidcrow: That's the new turing test, undoubtedly
[O_RLY] wow, he didn't ahve the time to cite any science, but he can alk about all these companies
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[jameshome] I wonder what "approached us" means
[seanbonner] "These people make tons of cash and they want to give it to us so our thing must work"
[cybaea] Free download :-)
[O_RLY] "touched us inappropriately"
[BigD] he's got an NDA with Science
[cybaea] (But please don't do that on this network......)
[RemyDWD] "ran at us with pointy sticks"
[ryanmcminn] bigD++
[davidcrow] "approache" == do you want some candy?
[cspurgeon] schemish...not joking, those patterns look similar.
[leftist] approached == WITH GREAT REGARDS FROM NIGERIA I AM PRINCE
[cybaea] 12 GB data set
[mroth] jameshome: someone from an IP address in the same city as the company loaded their website once
[jscott] skynet has arrived
[RemyDWD] leftist++++++
[O_RLY] this talk is of the form "can you do X? yes"
[gregbiggers] leftist++
[cybaea] 36 GB
[mediaserf] leftist++
[laughing_squid] more napkins and talk of monkey brains please
[BigD] leftist++
[cybaea] wheee
[davidcrow] laughing_squid++
[O_RLY] wait, "higher order temporal data" means behaving in the real world
[BigD] i've got monkey brains on my napkin
[jgoldman] leftist++
[O_RLY] we've successfully modeled the brain - except for the time part
[O_RLY] and the dynamic part
[jscott] buy my book
[davidcrow] I don't want to get involved, can I leave?
[O_RLY] but the rest is totally awesome!
[seanbonner] Try my product
[KevinMarks] if you want to get involved, we need braiiins for dissection
[laughing_squid] try my monkey brains
[O_RLY] braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains
[leftist] i will never read that book
[seanbonner] "it has some holes in it"
[laughing_squid] do electric sheep dream of monkey brains
[O_RLY] how much did he pay tim o'reilly to speak?
[hcatlin] leftist++
[jameshome] "monkey brains release"
[cybaea] can HTM wite my book for me?
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[cybaea] *write
[O_RLY] this is like an infomercial
[davidcrow] research release = beta 2.0
[gregbiggers] O_RLY-- i think its the other way around
[KevinMarks] Chris Locke used to work on Monkey brains
[BigD] they did all their research on Abby Normal's brain
[cybaea] O_RLY: They are a sponsor
[davidcrow] "I think so, Brain, but pants with horizontal stripes make me look chubby."
[O_RLY] ... and a bamboo steamer!
[cybaea] They need their pound of flesh
[laughing_squid] so when is he doing to do a card trick?
[schemish_] do I smell ponzi?
[O_RLY] pimp my brain
[cybaea] (our flesh)
[schemish_] ... ponzi scheme here?
[O_RLY] I'm pretty confident about it - understamenent of the conference
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[jameshome] make the monkey do a card trick
[BigD] there's a guy here wearing horizontal corduroy pants
[ryanmcminn] where]
[jgoldman] chris locke has responded to kathy sierra's comments: http://www.rageboy.com/2007/03/re-kathy-sierras-allegations.html
[RemyDWD] Can HTM do support for itself?
[BigD] and he's a librarian
[gregbiggers] why didn't he do a real demo?
[leftist] @laughing_squid - i want to photograph you for lookingrealgood.com
[hcatlin] Is Chris Locke related to John Locke?
[O_RLY] because it can only recognize coffee ugs?
[jameshome] BUY MY BOOK
[O_RLY] does your software do anything useful?
[O_RLY] anything? bueller?
[cybaea] selling his book and his support?
[O_RLY] duh
[O_RLY] I feel dumber for attending this
[seanbonner] definitely time to go find coffee
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[mediaserf] is this lunch now?
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[O_RLY] i'm much easier to model now
[Endora] This was great! I'm looking forward to this afternoon's session from Jack Nicolson talking about his new fusion reactor.
*cybaea applauds that this is over
[gregbiggers] oh geez questions
[leftist] YAY
[KevinMarks] what about the amygdala?
[cybaea] One short presentation and then luch
[jscott] 6 layes at least
[jgoldman] Endora++
[jscott] maybe 7
[O_RLY] Endora++
[davidcrow] I want 39 layers
[schemish_] Endora ++
[cybaea] Amazon Lunch Services?
[jscott] flavors
[mediaserf] "The lines on my brain diagram say "DEFECTIVE" do I return it to you or the manufacturer?"
[seanbonner] "cock monkey"???
[gregbiggers] endora++
[tengi] endora++
[KevinMarks] a cortex without an amygdala never decides anything
[cybaea] dear God: Please no more questions. Please. I'll be good....
[RemyDWD] I double click my anygdala.
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[jameshome] I heard that too
[leftist] Hello hell restaurant? I need a reservation for 300!
[jameshome] I'm glad it wasn't just me
[O_RLY] this talk is to brain science what my pants are to fashion
[davidcrow] I heard my cock monkey
[seanbonner] Someone ask him to do square root jokes
[cybaea] #There is only the Zimba sales pitch between us and lunch
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[jscott] one turtle to rule them all
[gregbiggers] davidcrow-- that' monkeyjam on your blue napkin
[O_RLY] "convergence factor" drink!
[seanbonner] Yes - coffee ] Zimba infomercial
[schemish_] this talk is to [ANY] science what ...
[leftist] I would not want to follow this blowhard
[ryanmcminn] I am gonna get some fresh air
[O_RLY] ok, so we can't do hierarchies or dynamic info
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[O_RLY] it's like Turing's time, except without the science
[leftist] everyone's brains are oxygen starved due to vapour
[O_RLY] someone please halt this problem
[cybaea] is it just me, or is the light here sleep-inducing?
[seanbonner] you know what I think is a good idea? Coffee.
[mediaserf] I'd cue the music but its stored on Amazon S3
[schemish_] NOOOOO more questions!!
[cybaea] questions--
[hcatlin] "The only 'passionate users' I know are crack heads."
[seanbonner] oh christ, a 2 part questions
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[O_RLY] question: how do I get these bees out of my head?
[tengi] shiny happy neurons?
[tengi] not at the moment....
[davidcrow] ahhh, in episode 37 kirk asked the computer this, but you're saying that you're 4 layers is enough to make the warp field work, is that really possible?
[RemyDWD] Oh man
[KevinMarks] http://accordionguy.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2007/3/27/2839254.html
[Ewan_] Can these layers multitask as well as Palm OS?
[cybaea] shiny happy midget neurons
[O_RLY] artificial neural networks don't work. answer? baysian modeling! IT JUST WORKS, ASK ME HOW!!!1!!!
[RemyDWD] davidcrow's comment makes me want to go up and ask if HTM can understand love
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[jibot] huslage is an independent VoIP & UNIX consultant & Director of Technology at http://www.platial.com & blogs occasionally at http://huslage.vox.com & in Portland, OR & Systems Administrator for Values Of N & http://www.stikkit.com & sassafras
[mediaserf] cybaea++
[seanbonner] I think some coffee would help manufacture hapiness
[O_RLY] computer: compute ... to the last digit ... the value of pi!
[Ewan_] We don;t model nerons, but I can tell where they are - quantum mechanics anyone?
[huslage] ?help forget
[huslage] ?forget
[jibot] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
[BigD] PLASTICS!
[O_RLY] question: how can I completely erase the experience of this talk from my memory?
[huslage] ?forget huslage is Director of Technology at http://www.platial.com
[jibot] I now only know that huslage is an independent VoIP & UNIX consultant & blogs occasionally at http://huslage.vox.com & in Portland, OR & Systems Administrator for Values Of N & http://www.stikkit.com & sassafras
[schemish_] so that's the plan for new handheld: when (idle) { run HTM }
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[cybaea] my brain is dying ....
[O_RLY] which step is this between 1) underpants and 3) profit?
[tengi] imagine a beowulf cluster of handhelds running HTM
[Ewan_] 2) Google Neural AdSense?
[davidcrow] O_RLY: 1. q-tip 2. Insert until there is pressure 3. Jam it in further 4. Giggle until complete
[cybaea] O_RLY: Her name is Melissa
[RemyDWD] O_RLY: Can HTM model what step 2 is?
[RemyDWD] That's the NP-completeness problem of our time
[O_RLY] double wedgie!
[KevinMarks] how many microLenats is he rating?
[huslage] Quantumness
[O_RLY] this is a kiloLenat talk
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[jameshome] we don't program, we genticulate wildly
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[O_RLY] think of all the DARPA-funded research that could be powered by a kiloLenat
[schemish_] my neocortex bluescreened...
[O_RLY] understament 2
[seanbonner] I haven't had enough bandwidth to refresh twitter in the past 30 minutes
[Endora] Ah! Self awareness. The first step to consciousness.
[BigD] O RLY?
[cybaea] my neurons are neither shiny nor happy now....
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[BigD] :)
[O_RLY] question: do you like gladiator movies?
[gregbiggers] duh. its a neurological turk.
[tengi] cybea: ditto
[seanbonner] self awareness? Hasn't anyone ever heard of skynet??
[O_RLY] question: have you ever seen a grown man naked?
[tengi] s/cybea/cybaea/
[davidcrow] wet ware kernel panic
[Endora] I believe Turing used that test often.
[ikisai] gladiator movies are good, if done well, like any movie i guess
[jscott] better weapons
[BigD] i got here on the 163 South
[davidcrow] profits++
[O_RLY] 1) invent new theory of brain, 2) ??? 3) profit - except they skipped (1)
*cybaea likes profits
[Ewan_] It's going to go to the mystery third palm product!!!
[seanbonner] me would like to know more about these "profits"
[jameshome] I have a pretty good idea of where it's going to go
[cspurgeon] heh
[O_RLY] talk to the palm!
[jscott] u figure it out and pay us
[Ewan_] (Shirley Bassey!!! confirmed for Glastonbury)
[gregbiggers] O_RLY++
[tengi] O_RLY: ouch
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[O_RLY] DUH
[drejtiv] There is a reason Windows Mobile now runs on Palms.
[RachelC] Ewan, your musical tastes are getting worse
[O_RLY] we don't think anyone is doing this -- because we didn't look at AAAI '87
[cybaea] please let it be over......
[tengi] returns true
[KevinMarks] is she goign to perform the remixes?
[O_RLY] praise jesus!
[Endora] Sweet mercy!
[davidcrow] he was out of time 30 minutes ago
[tengi] woops! wrong windos
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[KevinMarks] He'll take us offline? is he threatening the wifi?
[seanbonner] ok, I'm done. coffee
[davidcrow] KevinMarks++
[RemyDWD] No no, he'll *thanks* us offline
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[RemyDWD] -s
[gregbiggers] KevinMarks++
[O_RLY] wow, how can anyone follow a talk like that?
[cybaea] That is 45 minutes of my life that I am never going to get back :-( All gone
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[jruderman] where by "bad" he means "trying to actually *win* at gambling"?
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[RemyDWD] Cheating to win
[mediaserf] I see the math magic guy on that sheet!
[cspurgeon] heh
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[ikisai] for today ?
[jruderman] except many of them are not cheating, just keeping track of which cards have been played
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[cspurgeon] (right, it *is* comic sans, apologies David)
[davidcrow] cspurgeon: no worries, it was a lucky guess on my part
[seanbonner] At least it's not "hobo"
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[mediaserf] the Dr Seuss approach to data storage
[RemyDWD] Can you put it in a hash? Can you compress it with a smash?
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[hcatlin] Beware of Flash!
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[seanbonner] What is this guys name? I missed it when Rael introduced him
[patchrick] jeff jonas
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[seanbonner] Thanks
[davidcrow] http://jeffjonas.typepad.com/
[jonl] Kibitzing from afar.
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[dannyob] The Slickest DBA in the West
[mediaserf] I wonder if this is how Quantam Leap worked
[davidcrow] mediaserf++
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[dannyob] mouthbeef!
[davidcrow] this is intense first thing in the morning
[hvnt] I think we just saw our first ppt karaoke.
[BigD] it was like jazz
[Ori_] when do they serve us breakfast
[dannyob] how many millions of rows are their in a SINGLE GRAIN OF SAND
[Ori_] ?
[RemyDWD] My neighbor just pointed out Jeff was wearing the same clothes he had on yesterday
*KevinMarks wonders if I should be mouthfruitnveg
[RemyDWD] Ori_: You missed it
[Ori_] d'oh!
[albertoescarlate] show the milk video
[davidcrow] http://www.warburgpincus.com/people/profiles/janeway_william.html
[ikisai] maybe he's like Goldbum in The Fly
[ikisai] oops Goldblum
[BigD] why isn't this in HD?
[seanbonner] Again with the card tricks
[ikisai] well the theme is Magic this yeat
[ikisai] year
[dannyob] i keep thinking of Paul Daniels
[BigD] ah, that explains the magician last night. not.
[albertoescarlate] is magic = trick?
[dannyob] "And *that's* magic"
[ikisai] dannyob++
[ikisai] where's the assistant
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[RemyDWD] Latency is reducing? Someone should let Twitter know.
[jgoldman] did the net connection just die?
[RemyDWD] Nope
[cybaea] jgoldman: it is very uneven
[albertoescarlate] giant computer?
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[dannyob] they're *basically* a giant computer. there are some humans on top, praying
[mediaserf] I wonder why they can't make the dollar scale?
[albertoescarlate] the giant computers swallow some people every nigh for dinner
[dannyob] NEED YOUR CARBON-BASED LATENCY
[BigD] bill looks thrilled
[mediaserf] cocoa solves carbon-based latency
[KevinMarks] Human arbitrage computers
[cybaea] wetware
[reilly] davidcrow: manjamr.com is available
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[jibot] RachelC is http://blog.bibrik.com/
[mouthbeef] dannyob!
[jgoldman] reilly is dirty.
[reilly] only inside
[dannyob] slowest high five ever
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*davidcrow feels violated
[mouthbeef] Ha! I'm high-latency. I suck at RT and live and die by asynch. I'm a store and forward ADD. If I can't maange my queue, I'm dead.
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[mediaserf] this is like a sunday morning news program with David Brinkley
[cspurgeon] I'm sorry, I just *don't* care about stock trading stories.
[seanbonner] ha ha ha ha, 10 miliseconds, ha ha ha
[reilly] these aren't good stock trading stories
[mouthbeef] They're describing the same phenomenon that makes Wikipedia and Google and Distributed Proofreaders possible: "Transactional efficiency" is the same as "Low-cost collaboration"
[davidcrow] mouthbeef++
[mouthbeef] You couldn't build a Wikipedia were you have to validate every contribution a priori (pace Sanger)
[dannyob] mouthbeef, you're the only person i know who will occasionally thrash and go "okay, my buffer just overflowed" LIVE
[dannyob] except for me, and everyone on this channel
[mouthbeef] This is why the BBC's moderated message boards suck -- a message board where a third party has to validate every message
[mouthbeef] Ha! It's true, I blow my buffer all the time
[mouthbeef] My Meyers-Briggs is ADHD
[jgoldman] slow and inefficient
[BigD] "The Street"
[RemyDWD] If I knew this was coming, I would've made financial buzzword bingo cards.
[reilly] margin credit and stock loan
[BigD] these guys are badass
[dannyob] i have a program that runs through my email and spamchecks it after it's arrived, because it means i get the mail first, and then filter it after i've picked out the important stuff
[davidcrow] it only works if you have the capacity to validate which is economically inefficient, i.e., 1:1 poster to moderator
[dannyob] also, post-arrival spam moderation is smarter, because the spamtraps have had time to spot the bad IPs
[KevinMarks] not 1:1 - you cna read a lot faster than you can write, more like 20:1
[mouthbeef] IJWTS that this guy's block kicks ass: http://fraser.typepad.com/frolix_8/ "Which PKD Story Are We In Today?" -- making connections between the day's news-stories and PKD's canon
[mediaserf] neat, thanks mouthbeef
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[jibot] PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
[davidcrow] that's crazy
[mediaserf] mouthbeef++
[Crystaltips] @mouthbeef: it's only the kids' boards that are premodded. everything else is postmodded or user flagged
[Crystaltips] it used to be that way, and everyone realised how fkin crazy it was.
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[BigD] i get the feeling Tim's been working on his portfolio and met these guys
[hvnt] the mathmagician was way more interesting than this... snzzzzz
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[BigD] make cheese?
[davidcrow] BigD++
[seanbonner] Time Travel?
[BigD] love me
[BigD] i need a loving computer
[davidcrow] I like my stent
[dannyob] i like hearing Wall Street stuff
[dannyob] but maybe that's because i don't listen to enough MSNBC and such
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[jibot] gregbiggers is a hackable wifi clockradio who is in the anonymized dataspace and indistinguishable from magic
[mediaserf] he's robosexual!
[dannyob] i am interested in perl scripts that make money
[mouthbeef] What's the RESTful junk I need to add to a Typebad URL to retreive posts in a given category, Oh Mighty and Infinitely Wise #Etech?
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[gregbiggers] does tradestation integrate with twitter?
[jonl] Typebad? Bad in the good sense?
[seanbonner] So my take is that stock talk is completely fascinating to people who trade stocks, and 100% jibberish to people who don't
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[ikisai] seanbonner++
[ikisai] i totally agree
[albertoescarlate] vegas and the wall street - what's next?
[RemyDWD] Sufficiently boring technology is indistinguishable from jibberish.
[jonl] I envy people who can trade stocks and make actual profit.
[mediaserf] I gave up trading stocks and started counting cards in Vegas...better payouts, less risk
[mroth] seanbonner: or in other words, people who have lots of money.
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[seanbonner] Oh! He said subscription - does wall street have RSS feeds?
[gregbiggers] you, too can move markets for only $100 a month!
[davidcrow] RemyDWD++
[cybaea] profit++
[gregbiggers] but wait, theres more....
[KevinMarks] but as soon as the model is public that information is removed from the market
[jonl] counting cards++
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[ikisai] this content of this discusison can go down as well as up
[KevinMarks] business school?
[seanbonner] Yes, not being true is a flaw in a business model
[davidcrow] that dude's hand came up way to quick
[ryanmcminn] yup
*mediaserf twitters sitting in etech talk about stocks
[seanbonner] I dropped out of college to run my company, does that count?
*mediaserf twitters snoozing in etech talk about stocks
[cybaea] does anybody hae a url for the trading thing they are discussing?
[cybaea] (wasn't paying enough attention...)
[davidcrow] seanbonner: that's like business school, but better
[davidcrow] http://www.tradestation.com/default_2.shtm
[mediaserf] www.trade-strategist.com
[cybaea] Thanks
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[KevinMarks] How about Naseem Taleb?
[ryanmcminn] That dude is sweating money
[albertoescarlate] next on stage: jim cramer
[KevinMarks] he writes brilliantly on this
[RemyDWD] madmoney++
[jgoldman] what was the book?
[KevinMarks] http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/
[seanbonner] e-PISS-tomology
[BigD] no he didn't
[gregbiggers] ooo. epistemologyu
[RemyDWD] Bring on Werner.
[BigD] like, how to make cheese
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[dannyob] STOCK TIP
[ryanmcminn] is he dr. no now?
*mediaserf rushes to exit
[jonl] Hmmm... I like this (from Amazon): For years, Taleb has studied how we fool ourselves into thinking we know more than we actually do. We restrict our thinking to the irrelevant and inconsequential, while large events continue to surprise us and shape our world.
[ikisai] no and dont care too much
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[jibot] davidascher is David Ascher at ActiveState and likes python
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[ryanmcminn] 17sec... like a lifetime
[ikisai] i get the feeling these guys dont want to stop and Tim is looking for a way to stop them
[justatheory] how does one teach jibot who one is?
[davidcrow] ?learn
[jibot] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
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[jibot] RodBegbie is a grumpy Scots git. Blogs at http://groovymother.com/ Earns pay at Bose. and sat at home in Boston
[KevinMarks] justatheory: do ?learn justatheory is someone special
[ikisai] ?learn ikisai is thinking exec briefing was a good way to already hear this mornings sessions so far
[jibot] ikisai is at France Telecom/Orange and in a nebulous position and Working for a Big Corp as a Strategic Advisor and thinking exec briefing was a good way to already hear this mornings sessions so far
[BigD] "Brady" is a cool name
[ikisai] Brady is also a cool guy
[justatheory] thanks
[justatheory] jibot: ?learn justatheory is raelity's biatch
[dannyob] why hasn't he got thousands of mechanical turk users to write his talk
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[jibot] jrnoded is jr at http://www.noded.com/noded
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[davidcrow] ?cool gregbiggers
[jibot] ice forms on gregbiggers's upper slopes
[justatheory] jibot: ?learn justatheory is principal engineer for Values of n, aka raelity's biatch
[justatheory] eh, whatever
[mediaserf] my question on mechanical turks is what do they say if you ask it "Constantinople or Istanbul?"
[KevinMarks] ?learn justatheory is principal engineer for Values of n, aka raelity's biatch
[jibot] justatheory is David Wheeler of Kineticode and Bricolage fame. http://www.justatheory.com/ and principal engineer for Values of n, aka raelity's biatch
[jgoldman] justatheory: don't start with jibot
[ikisai] leave off the jibot
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[justatheory] oh, remembered me.
[justatheory] thaks
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[jruderman] white text on yellow!?
[mediaserf] how's he get a picture of my hotel room?
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[mediaserf] housekeeping hates all my gear
[davidcrow] where are all the single wides?
[mroth] ?learn mroth is a grumpy new york city expat stuck in the SF bay area and does product strategy-ish stuff at Flickr and needs a decent espresso
[jibot] mroth is a grumpy new york city expat stuck in the SF bay area and does product strategy-ish stuff at Flickr and needs a decent espresso
[KevinMarks] is trailer park a dig at sun?
[cybaea] "Fundamentally" destroyed -- as opposed to the other kind of destruction?
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[KevinMarks] hello twitter
[cybaea] Anybody want to guess what the two companies are?
[ikisai] omg, hard disks can actually fail .....
[jonl] boy howdy.\
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[ikisai] any guesses where this is leading
[davidcrow] cuz it makes Amazon more money if you use rails and S3
[ikisai] EC2/S3 perhaps
[ikisai] how many slides til we get 'the reveal'
[ldog] when is ec2 actually going to be out of beta?
[dannyob] after they've NATTed it up the wazoo
[davidcrow] when flickr gets out of Gamma
[seanbonner] ikisai: Card tricks any second
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[ikisai] this is sounding like a long infomecial
[mediaserf] Didn't amazon crash for 45 minutes Thanksgiving Day when they put XBox 360's on sale for $100 ?
[gregbiggers] this must be what the guy meant last night when he said he sees numbers as colors
[cybaea] Ah, at least he didn;t go for thr 80/20 rule :-)
[ikisai] "What you really need is ....... to solve all these massive problems"
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[reilly] what happened to pareto?
[RemyDWD] "Idle machines" is undifferentiated heavy lifting?
[dannyob] he maxed out
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[albertoescarlate] what's that box in the middle?
[ikisai] think i'll go back and advise my comp to ditch the $$Ms in datacentres and hand it all over to Amazon...
[KevinMarks] he got zipfed
[gregbiggers] esther dyson just snuck out of the room with a phone on her cheek
[RemyDWD] albertoescarlate: Nougat
[cybaea] what is under the white box?
[KevinMarks] think I won't do that, ikisai
[albertoescarlate] some text he didnt want us to read
[reilly] it's a digital pasty
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[tengi] reilly++
[davidcrow] reilly++
[gregbiggers] have we heard of sqs before?
[KevinMarks] can he get some mechanical turks to fix his colour contrast choices?
[RemyDWD] albertoescarlate: Cheers on the toaster tweet earlier, gave me a good laugh
[seanbonner] I've heard of SKS before
[sborsch] kevinmarks: hehe
[RemyDWD] KevinMarks++
[reilly] "infinite" i do not think that word means what you think it means .
[davidcrow] reilly++
[albertoescarlate] remyDWD: i wish twitter had pictures
[davidcrow] ahhh, princess bride references
[RemyDWD] albertoescarlate: Ah, for that you need radar
[RemyDWD] (But you could just flickr it?)
[albertoescarlate] what i need is a new phone
[ikisai] or Flickr
[ikisai] oops - what he said
[davidcrow] or Facebook
[KevinMarks] so he's securitizing the long tail of web app infrastructure
[cybaea] sales pitch
[seanbonner] Or Friendster
[ikisai] you can tinyurl to pictures on Twitter if you really want to
[RemyDWD] Or Orkut
[gregbiggers] the long tail wagging the dog
[KevinMarks] simple and SOAP in the same sentence?
[todbot] he loves yellow
[davidcrow] in the sky?
[BigD] skynet
[ikisai] I like their physical fulfillment offer
[ikisai] can't recall the name
[jruderman] isn't the "infinite hard disk in the sky" where your data goes when your non-backed-up disk dies?
[seanbonner] Can anyone read the white text on those yellow boxes?
[ikisai] no
*cybaea yawns through an annoying content-free sales pitch....
[davidcrow] $0.20 per GB data transfer
[RemyDWD] seanbonner: If you can, you win a price.
[ikisai] even with my glasses
[sborsch] I'd love to see a debate with two CTO's of startups I know that are using their own infrastructure but looked seriously at AWS...
[jruderman] i'm sitting in the front row and i can sorta read the white-on-yellow text, but it's painful
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[dannyob] SQS is the unloved bastard child of the AWS
[mroth] seanbonner: on the logo?
[RemyDWD] Always love when a hands-up backfires
[dannyob] a friend of mine has the patent on the queue
[jruderman] "and how many of you aren't paying attention?"
[BigD] i need a CS degree to understand a queue?
[mediaserf] so the opposite of the DMV?
[RemyDWD] Wow, queue guarantees. Who would've thought that a queue would lose messages?
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[davidcrow] sborsch: can we rent sumo suits and have the CTOs wrestle?
[albertoescarlate] are there more biz school than CS people here?
[RemyDWD] I didn't learn about that when I got my CS degree
[gregbiggers] mediaserf++
[dannyob] wait, the consumer died?
[dannyob] amazon can cope with consumers dying during the transaction
[KevinMarks] of consumption
[seanbonner] I can't believe he didn't ask how many of those people who raised their hands work at Google
[BigD] the consumer in the sky
[sborsch] davidcrow: one guy actually does look like a sumo wrestler. NOT a happy visual
[mediaserf] seanbonner++
[gregbiggers] yeah, but its shiny
[mediaserf] I just want to hear this guy say "I can't do it captain! We doewn't have the power!"
[seanbonner] mediaserf++
[BigD] i want him to do a Sgt Shultz impression
[davidcrow] look it's "Ruby" on "Rails"
[BigD] "I KNOW NUFFING!"
[jgoldman] the yellow box says "Haboob, Lucene, LInux" in case anyone can't read it
[cspurgeon] ha!
[cspurgeon] BigD++
[davidcrow] BigD++
[jgoldman] the first one says Amazon Machine Image
[davidcrow] AMI
[cspurgeon] Don't write white text on lime green
[seanbonner] So - it looks like O'Reilly is MUCH better with the wifi this year, so next time they need to work on putting fans on stage so the speakers don't cook during their presentations
[RemyDWD] At least it's not comic sans
[seanbonner] Oh yeah, that's readable
[mediaserf] can you get a static IP on Amazon EC2 yet?
[BigD] yeah, i didn't want to jinx it, but the wifi is great
[dannyob] mediaserf, actualy they just took that away
[cspurgeon] re static IP, not yet.
[seanbonner] Nothing like 5pt text projected on a wall
[davidcrow] The Internet is a red box
[BigD] i can even keep my vpn up to protect me from all you haxx0rs
[reilly] well, the internet is red, after all
[jruderman] would be nice if the wifi worked in the breakfast room upstairs too
[mroth] whats this red box? i can only understand the internet in diagrams when represented with a cloud...
[jruderman] red tubes?
[dannyob] WAIT THERE'S A BREAKFAST ROOM?
[KevinMarks] hang on, the net si the cloud
[seanbonner] This is great and all but can this guy start doing square root jokes?
[KevinMarks] amazon is the cloud now?
[dannyob] th enet is a series of clouds, in a truck
[davidcrow] Al Gore made the internet out of red boxes
[albertoescarlate] but he wants to make it green boxes now
[jruderman] dannyob: yeah, there was breakfast thing upstairs (in the "elizabeth" room) before the talks started
[mediaserf] I thought it was a series of tubes that got full?
[BigD] and Sun put the internet in a shipping container
[davidcrow] notice the soothing light blue
[gregbiggers] wow. a presenter on a windows laptop.
[jruderman] gregbiggers: at least he's using firefox
[jgoldman] our icons sure look pretty :)
[mediaserf] at least he's using firefox
[reilly] i hate infomercials
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[jibot] jrnoded is jr at http://www.noded.com/noded
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[jruderman] dannyob: i ate croissants and cantaloupe and i had to look up how to spell both of those
[jruderman] dannyob: i think lunch will be there too
[ikisai] yes it will
[davidcrow] maybe he'll show us a web form
[seanbonner] Could you imagine if you went to see KISS and they were all wearing KISS t-shirts?
[cybaea] 2-3 minutes to load an image?
[reilly] hmmmm
[ikisai] Zzzzzzzzzzz
[jgoldman] is anyone actually following this?
[reilly] ESX is much faster than that
[cybaea] Not exactly instant on, is it ;-)
[jruderman] mediaserf: jinx
[tengi] call the RIAA!
[jgoldman] tengi++
[BigD] dude, can i get a copy of yer tunz?
[ikisai] i'm looking for a good force feedback wheel for y 360
[gregbiggers] seanbonner++
[RemyDWD] Is that red box at the top also the internet?
[cybaea] reilly++
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[seanbonner] RemyDWD: yes, as you can see the internet has 100 songs on it
[jgoldman] dashboards are so passé. the future is gloveboxes.
[davidcrow] jgoldman++
[davidcrow] 4pt font is the new presentation format
[ikisai] is there a widget for this
[seanbonner] With our next Metroblogging.com redesign we're going to put everything in the trunk
[jruderman] i'm looking around and most people look bored. i guess they don't know about #etech.
[BigD] don't hit control+ or nuthin
[cybaea] Web 2.0 =] 2.0 pt font
[ikisai] or gadget perhaps
[tengi] 4pt white on yellow works best
[cybaea] I'm looking forward to Web 12.0
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[davidcrow] jruderman: that's because they have business degrees
[KevinMarks] SQS Queue? Should have called it CQ CQ
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[KevinMarks] or SOS queue
[jruderman] davidcrow: i just guessed that there might be an #etech channel on freenode
[davidcrow] it's not made for a 2 minute demo, but let me show you anyway
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[jgoldman] this is AWESOME!
[davidcrow] jruderman: I thought it was up on the wiki
[davidcrow] jgoldman: this is why we need to vette DemoCamp presenters
[sborsch] cybaea++
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[cybaea] really easy == making and debugging linux images
[jgoldman] vette as in Corvette or vet as in proof in advance?
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[jgoldman] because i'm so behind a '69 Stingray
[davidcrow] vette as in chevette
[jgoldman] good point.
[RemyDWD] This free-form scalability sounds like a recipe for financial disaster if someone DOS's you properly. Hope Amazon's got the ability to cap the load per client
[cybaea] he said "leverage" -- anybody for buzzword bingo?
[jgoldman] that's much more our speed.
[BigD] profit
[ikisai] url ?
[jruderman] cybaea: too early in the day for a drinking game?
[jgoldman] my clapping hand is asleep.
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[BigD] i played this grid game in high school
[mediaserf] the internet red box is invading the amazon ec2 green box
[jruderman] jgoldman: use your other hand then
[BigD] i think there were tanks
[davidcrow] Buzzword Bingo - http://bingo.adactio.com/
[jruderman] BigD: lol
[seanbonner] Ah! good, so EC2 is "secure"
[jgoldman] the Amazon EC2 green box in that picture looks like a pack of gum.
[BigD] can't remember the name of the game...
[jgoldman] or maybe pills?
[BigD] your ship was like an arrow
[seanbonner] Connect Four
[reilly] i bet werner doesn't know that the guy last night can multiply 4 digit numbers faster than ec2
[davidcrow] Amazon Chicklet service
[RemyDWD] BigD: Bolo
[davidcrow] reilly++
[mediaserf] davidcrow++
[jrnoded] but the blue arrow is coming to the rescue
[jgoldman] reilly++
[BigD] you'd run up and down the rows and shoot stuff
[mediaserf] I only understand diagrams in skittles format
[jgoldman] RemyDWD: Bolo was tanks, no?
[cybaea] did disney choose the color scheme?
[RemyDWD] jgoldman: Yes, but not on a grid like this
[davidcrow] why does the red square make blue squares?
[BigD] mediaserf++
[jgoldman] mediaserf++
[todbot] so.many.roundrects.
[reilly] mediaserf++
[ikisai] ?google rightscale
[jibot] Search for rightscale: 0.091 seconds. Showing first 3 of 600 sites
[jibot] lists of floats, lists and colors interpolating two extremes ... - http://www.dia.uniroma3.it/~paoluzzi/plasm/cplasm/color_html_site/examples/color_games/color.txt
[jibot] Microsoft PowerPoint - Session 1 - http://www.patahawaii.org/documents/20070124/Gangnes.pdf
[jibot] Final Cut Pro XML Interchange Format: Keyframe Interpolation - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/FinalCutPro_XML/Interpolation/chapter_8_section_1.html
[tengi] davidcrow: #etech *is* on the wiki, but ya gotta know to look at BackChannel
[BigD] now i know why this graphic is making me hungry!
[davidcrow] unless they have a double oh
[cybaea] (slow connection)
[RemyDWD] Neighbor asks: Why would you represent a web server as red? doesn't red mean stop?
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[BigD] in germany, red means go
[gregbiggers] he just said "security is a very primary concern"
[BigD] green means stop
[BigD] it's like bizzaro world
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[RemyDWD] Is the in between state yellow with white text?
[seanbonner] So, are the Tubes red too?
[BigD] and everyone can read white on lime green
[davidcrow] Amazon SQS
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[gregbiggers] i think that's a picture of him
[jgoldman] i think Amazon should spend $1000 to have someone with non-colour blindness lay this presentation out again.
[davidcrow] jgoldman++
[cspurgeon] There was actually a good IT Conversations podcast on this...better than this talk.
[seanbonner] jgoldman: I'd do it for $950
[davidcrow] colour blindness, I think the guy was blind
[justatheory] why are amazon Web services technologies named like Mazdas and BMWs are named?
[gregbiggers] speaking of it conversations, ...
[reilly] this feels very enterprisey
[jgoldman] i hear $950!
[RemyDWD] Can we snap together something with AWS quickly to do it?
[jgoldman] do i hear $900?
[davidcrow] The Levelator?
[seanbonner] Hawaiian Shirt!
[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[gregbiggers] dont knock the levelator
[BigD] oh cool!
[BigD] i love this guy's voice
[gregbiggers] its kinda cool
[cspurgeon] Aah, it was Doug Kaye that was on that podcast, along with one of the AWS execs.
[gregbiggers] he has a total radio voice
[davidcrow] does the levelator get stuck between floors?
[mediaserf] ya like he smoked for 20 years
[cspurgeon] levelator++
[davidcrow] he's got a face for radio
[albertoescarlate] no red boxes?
[cybaea] like an elevator?
[davidcrow] it doesn't work on the Internet
[tengi] davidcrow++
[jgoldman] red lines though
[seanbonner] albertoescarlate: this isn't about the internet aparently
[ikisai] damn my bottom enclosure just hit 37C...
[mediaserf] ?google doug kaye radio
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[jibot] IT Conversations: Doug Kaye - http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail229.html
[jibot] Blogarithms - http://blogarithms.com/
[jibot] Blogarithms » The Future of Public Radio - http://www.blogarithms.com/index.php/archives/2007/02/22/the-future-of-public-radio-2/
[jgoldman] maybe they're like very long, skinny red boxes?
[RemyDWD] With pointy bits?
[davidcrow] Atkins red boxes?
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[jgoldman] davidcrow++
[davidcrow] 39signals
[gregbiggers] so are there many competitors out there for this?
[todbot] 39 signals?
[RemyDWD] 39signals?
[davidcrow] LOL
[ldog] ``nice
[cspurgeon] Hey, they got 2 more signals!
[jgoldman] yeah - they're 2 better.
[reilly] 37 signals plus web 2.0
[davidcrow] shit they upgraded
[RemyDWD] Would that be 37signals++++
[davidcrow] reilly++
[jgoldman] RemyDWD++
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[davidcrow] RemyDWD++
[davidcrow] ROTFLMAO
[Ori_] 43 signals 37signals + 43 things
[jgoldman] 43 folders?
[gregbiggers] carry the one... carry the one... demon CAP!
[jgoldman] wouldn't that be 80 Signal Folders?
[RemyDWD] If you put 43 things each into 43 folders, and each folder emits 37 signals, how long until you throw your smartphone against the wall?
[seanbonner] 80 signaling folders
[reilly] RemyDWD++
[ikisai] dunno, ask the mathmagicion
[davidcrow] the Atikins Internet is actually a "Media-File"
[BigD] ikisai++
[seanbonner] What is the square root of 43 signals?
[davidcrow] black arrows are "Metadata"
[davidcrow] and dotted lines are a "Message"
[davidcrow] I'm learning so much
[reilly] pi signals
[reilly] mmmmm ... pie
[RemyDWD] Wait, I thought the media was the message. Red arrow = dotted line?
[seanbonner] What is the difference between the blue boxes and the blue boxes with blue shadows?
[BigD] dammit, now i'm really hungry
[BigD] i want skittle piw
[BigD] pie
[mediaserf] break in 3 mins
[jgoldman] don't they all have blue shadows?
[gregbiggers] yeah. the throughput on my ingest server is too low this morning
[RemyDWD] Isn't this very similar to what Apple is offering in 10.5 Server with Podcast Producer?
[seanbonner] RemyDWD: medium, not media
[BigD] wonder if there's food at the break
[seanbonner] jgoldman: no, top right
[mediaserf] gregbiggers++
[reilly] power ⊥
[ikisai] a little late but you can add 30 boxes to 80 signal folerds
[ryanmcminn] dude... he is so gonna go over his time
[mediaserf] it says "served in Douglas D" so I assume they will be serving food
[mediaserf] you just have to download it from Amazon
[reilly] he'd be a good hypnotist
[BigD] flash photos are kinda obnoxious
[ikisai] sweet sugary snaks and coffee probably
[ryanmcminn] it's the first slide with a legend
*mediaserf has been blinded by James Duncan Davidson!
[reilly] somebody always has a pager
[Ori_] pagers are hipster ironic now
[mediaserf] you have to go to an emerging tech conference to learn that people don't carry pagers anymore?
[RemyDWD] "This is somebody else's problem" -] "I am lying to myself on stage"
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[ikisai] apparently
[jgoldman] mediaserf++
[ikisai] we gave our pager business away for free several years agi
[BigD] RemyDWD: heh
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[seanbonner] People don't carry pagers anymore? Crap!
[Ori_] now introducing: Amazon Paging Services
[gregbiggers] When do the hula dancers come out?
[RemyDWD] "I really think", gah
[KevinMarks] I got a sidekick instead of a pager
[leftist] ACS - Amazon Client Schill
[ryanmcminn] ok it's officialy break time
[dannyob] i'm worried that digg and slashdot are still the definition of high load
[jrnoded] yes if your a boss
[KevinMarks] nice hierarchy "digg or slashdot, oh, or the wall street journal"
[gregbiggers] dannyob++
[RemyDWD] KevinMarks: As did I. Managed to save me from having to carry a pager the two years I was a sysadmin
[seanbonner] Danny said "high load"
[ikisai] thats why lots of people are leavinh
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[cspurgeon_] test
[davidcrow] okay, there's just too many back channels
[BigD] there are others?
[gregbiggers] @davidcrow: huh?
[KevinMarks] the nice thing about a sidekick is whn it pages you can ssh in and fix things
[davidcrow] http://www.lingr.com/room/etech2007
[BigD] ah
[mediaserf] oh a web page chat....thats original
[BigD] there were 4 ppl there last night
[RemyDWD] davidcrow: Some of us are in both
[ikisai] yes you can !
[davidcrow] I'm sticking with old skool IRC
[jgoldman] the other backchannel isn't nearly as much fun. they're all serious and stuff.
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[cspurgeon_] Here's the URL for the IT Conversations podcast of Gigavox's war story on using AWS...
[BigD] and 2 were lurkers
[cspurgeon_] http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail1728.html
[RemyDWD] Lingr has some promise - the archiving/radar client/API
[davidcrow] http://www.johnhagel.com/view20051015.shtml
[RemyDWD] But hell, the etech twitter page is a backchannel too
[davidcrow] it feels like Campfire
[albertoescarlate] campfire is sow
[seanbonner] the etech twitter page is a ghostland
[albertoescarlate] slow
[KevinMarks] I assume they mean http://twitter.com/etech/with_friends
[cybaea_] sow too
[mediaserf] takes his podcasts and makes sure they are fit for human consumption?
[RemyDWD] seanbonner: Load it with friends. http://twitter.com/etech/with_friends
[BigD] is twitter on ec3?
[BigD] ec2
[seanbonner] ah
[ikisai] [tumbleweed] Twitter etech[/tumbleweed]
[RemyDWD] BigD: I fucking hope not. Wouldn't be much of a recommendation of EC2.
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[jibot] yoz is a small yoz-type object wot blogs at http://cheerleader.yoz.com/ and works at http://www.ning.com/ and responsible for all the orgasm-inducing massages last night at the second life party and for a good time call him at 1-900-GET-YOZ2!
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Rael kicked it all off, welcomed everyone, and then only causually mentioned that Kathy Sierra "won't be able to speak today" and then went on to say that her talk will be replaced by Jeff Jonas with a talk called "stuff I think about." He comes up right away and begins talking about Vegas and hacking/cheating and how organized crime hacks the casinos and how the casinos keep track of the people they need to look out for. The focus being real time trip wires rather than simple black lists or monitoring. Often dealers and criminals are working together. Shows video of a crook who swaps a deck with a dealer, and they later found that the two had the same address. Marketing amnesia is when marketing departments continue to go after people the companies don't want to be associated with, such as companies sending ads to people who are in jail for stealing from them. If you put data and questions into the same space the questions find each other. In one case after all these data sources one casino found that 21 of it's top VIP players were also on their cheaters/blacklist - one of which the casino had already paid for a return trip for. Similar disconnect was post Katrina where one website had lists of people missing and the other had lists of people found but the two didn't work with each other even though they solved each others problems. Finally sequence neutrality - no matter what order the data arrives in the end result is the same. The difference is if you fix it as you go along or wait until it breaks then fix it, then wait until it breaks and then fix it again. The way to handle ambiguity is to add more data. The more info you add the more questions are solved. This was a pretty interesting, if a bit intense talk for first thing in the morning so the back channel was pretty much silent on this one. Next up is a small panel with Tim moderating, notes on that shortly.

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One of my favorite thing about ETech every year is the folks I meet around the conference. The first year I was here I met Felix when we were stuck in an elevator together before either of us had really launched our respective properties. Tonight when we looking for dinner became the priority we got a notice that some folks were at a place called Chives and decided to just head there and see who was around. When we got there one table was full of people I already knew like Matt, Chris, Tara, etc... That table was packed and there were a ton of folks standing around so we grabbed another table for everyone else. Turns out we'd just been talking to some of then in #etech so we'd been virtually introduced to some extent. I ended up sitting with Hampton Catlin from Unspace and David Crow from Radiant Core. Jay Goldman, Pete Forge and Ryan McMinn (from the same firms) rounded out the table with Kevin Marks and myself. These guys are working on some really cool development things in Toronto and, apparently, US restaurants pour much larger Bourbons than those in Canada. But we have no 25 LB bottles of rum. It's a trade off really. I'm now back in the lobby at my hotel and about to turn in, keynotes again tomorrow morning bright and early.

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LiveRecorded feed of this BOF available here. Currently talking about death threats and blogs. Death threats are NOT protected speech. More notes after the jump.

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This is a mostly Q&A panel so I'm just going to throw notes up...

So death threats are not protected speech, but in most cases you are not liable if someone else posts it on your blog, however depending on the content you could be.

If your computer is seized and you have info that is encrypted then yes, you are required to provide keys to decrypt that. The question was raised if you could plead the fifth, and chances are that would not fly because the password/key is not incriminating in and of itself. If your passkey IS incriminating, you might still be required to reveal it via proxy or some other method. Also, the fifth only applies in criminal cases, not civil.

Question about your data stored on your computer vs stored on someone elses - if it's on yours someone needs to get it from you through all the propper legal channels, if it's on someone elses (your hosts e-mail server, etc) then you have no grounds for anything as the data can be requested without your knowledge or consent. From a business standpoint you should ideally not hold any info for your users, and if you do you should encrypt the hell out of it to such an extent that you can not even decrypt it as only the user has the keys. Of course this means if the user loses those keys then they are screwed, but that's the safest option.

Best advice - if you are a content provider of any kind make sure you pay the US copyright office $80 and register a copyright agent - this will save you untold thousands of fines and fees if someone using your serice infringes on something.

Tim just introduced Arthur Benjamin - Mathamagician. Loves math and magic so... yeah. Starts off with typical magician faire - gets a volunteer and does a pick a card trick. I'm hoping it's going somewhere other than the usual, but this guy's stage show is magic all the way. Now he's doing crazy calculator tricks - like REALLY crazy calculator tricks. Doing all kinds of math. Which is as exciting as when you do all kinds of math with your calculator, with some ADD sprinkled on top. Not surprisingly the backchannel is WAY more amusing than this, so for your enjoyment the logs are after the jump.

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[AaronF] they look pretty confused
[mediaserf] his head looks a little square already
[AaronF] don't introduce ternary op
* hcatlin tries to ignore he knows David.
[AaronF] they'll cry
[BigD] this is why i got an MBA. I can buy a calculator and never, ever, wear a magician outfit
[davidcrow] BigD++
[jgoldman] show off
[mediaserf] oh know I know who that magician is...he was in that movie with Dustin Hoffman....12 minutes to Wapner
[cybaea] haha - too funny
[gregbiggers] i outsource my calculator operation offshore
[davidcrow] mediaserf++
[jgoldman] gregbiggers++
[tengi] dad lets him drive slow up and down the driveway
[davidcrow] gregbiggers++
[AaronF] Dude, that guy has an old HP RPN calc
[tengi] anybody checking this?
[AaronF] ok that's amazing
[gregbiggers] 22. enter. 56. times.
[ryanmcminn] I wonder if this is heading somewhere or just for our amusement
[jgoldman] this is a very practical skill. i hope it's on his resume.
[ikisai] he did a lot of maths when young and not a lot else i reckon
[hcatlin] Does this get him laid?
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[davidcrow] hcatlin++
[gregbiggers] with friends like him, who needs multiple registers?
[tengi] this *is* ETech....
[ryanmcminn] all the time
[BigD] he DOES multiply
[tengi] ouch
[hcatlin] The truth is, I'm actually incredibly jealous. My brain is just soooo not setup to do such things.
[hcatlin] I got picked last for "Math Quiz" in 5th grade.
[jgoldman] you can see the hamster
[AaronF] he's gonna lose it
[jgoldman] run hamster run!
[gregbiggers] now he looks like stevie wonder at the keyboard
[hcatlin] I'm still scarred today.
[ikisai] i can barely ADD two numbers let alone SQUARE them
[gregbiggers] jgoldman++
[hcatlin] That's why I carry around my handy Turing machine.
[jgoldman] i do, actually.
[jgoldman] hate that.
[jgoldman] every day.
[jgoldman] cursed 8 digit limit! damn you!
[ikisai] too funny
[hcatlin] Thanks BigNum
[AaronF] jgoldman, you from...
[AaronF] errr.... radiant core?
[jgoldman] yup
[AaronF] no shit dude
[BigD] he's Dave Barry as a Geek
[AaronF] [-- MindTouch
[jgoldman] hey!
[mediaserf] don't multiply by 4 of hearts
[jgoldman] that's great - i owe you a very big beer.
[ikisai] rainman
[AaronF] yer wearing a mozilla shirt?
[jgoldman] nope
[jgoldman] we're in the back right corner
[AaronF] ok I'll wave
[ryanmcminn] Jay is wearing a fat suit
[AaronF] ready....GO
[cspurgeon] outrageous
[AaronF] see me?
[gregbiggers] cripes
[AaronF] hehe
[davidcrow] ryanmcminn++
[jgoldman] i think so
[AaronF] lol
[davidcrow] AaronF where are you?
[AaronF] Look for the OpenGarden.org shirt
[ryanmcminn] PS Jay hasn't bathed in 48 hours
[AaronF] Waving my hand NOOOOW
[jgoldman] that is actually true
[AaronF] there you go
[jgoldman] yeah - i see you
[AaronF] You guys did good work on Firefox
* jgoldman claps
[AaronF] did I already congrat you?
[jgoldman] thanks!
[jgoldman] not sure
[ryanmcminn] my claps were for jay
[AaronF] you gj man
* tengi groans
[andy2u] grooooooooan
[cybaea] too funny
[AaronF] wHo is davidcrow ?
[mediaserf] oh this is the TV thing
[AaronF] ??davidcrow
[jgoldman] davidcrow is a trouble maker
[BigD] my brother used to sell magic squares
[jgoldman] from toronto
[jgoldman] and part of the unspace/radiantcore crew
[AaronF] ahh
[hcatlin] David Crow is the mater of everything.
[seanbonner] Jay also just ate so much food he's about to pop
[ikisai] another woman, surprise
[andy2u] ok, let's see if we can NOT comment on sarah's personal appearance
[jgoldman] www.davidcrow.ca
[AaronF] ??AaronF
[AaronF] what's it again
[gregbiggers] davidcrow is seeking bourbon
[dpm] she keeps her distance...
[AaronF] ??whois Aaronf
[hcatlin] Booze++
[gregbiggers] try a single question moark
[mediaserf] well she's taller than he is
[davidcrow] hcatlin++
[BigD] if he can calculate her phone number, i'm buying his book
[AaronF] David you're handsome for a canadian
[mediaserf] there can only be one "1" in a matrix
[AaronF] ;-)
[hcatlin] David is actually a homeless person we found on the street and put new clothes on him.
[gregbiggers] that's a little forward of him to be already telling her magic number to the whole crowd!
[jgoldman] i could have used those clothes hampton.
[jgoldman] thanks.
[mediaserf] is that her sleep number?
[hcatlin] Its been a bad two days for Jay...
[AaronF] I bet he's good at sudoko
* davidcrow bows
[BigD] heh
[hcatlin] hahaha # mediaserf
[hcatlin] # = @
[BigD] AaronF++
[jgoldman] is this an informerical?
[tengi] but wait, there's more!
[jgoldman] am i buying something?
[jgoldman] is it booze?
[tengi] if you order right now.....
[seanbonner] Yes, it's $19.95
[mediaserf] in the next 10 minutes
[ryanmcminn] yup... he runs a camp for boys
[ryanmcminn] I just signed up
[gregbiggers] ryanmcminn++
[mediaserf] ya but you should see how that thing rotisseries a chicken
[AaronF] three payments of $19.95 and the entire DVD of mathic can be yours
[gregbiggers] its the magic number magic pen!
[AaronF] I have no idea what he's talking about anymore
[seanbonner] I think there's a 3 drink minimum for this show
[AaronF] Sara looks scared as hell too
[davidcrow] I hear that this is what happens after using a Bowflex too much
[jgoldman] i am at least 1 drink below the minimum.
[gregbiggers] davidcrow lol
[BigD] i need a drink
[andy2u] aw
[BigD] jgoldman: me2
[hcatlin] HE'S A WITCH!
[andy2u] cool
[ryanmcminn] ?fight jgoldman
[gregbiggers] oh its a drinking game!
[dpm] that bit lost him the lead role in casino royale.
[jibot] jgoldman and ryanmcminn go at it like hammer and tongs
* jibot pulls jgoldman off ryanmcminn
[hcatlin] BURN HIM!
[jgoldman] BURN HIM
[gregbiggers] you drink everytime it adds up to 25
* cybaea laughs
[seanbonner] Will he be signing autographs afterwards?
[BigD] frame that puppy
[gregbiggers] now it makes total sense
[AaronF] he's my age
[hcatlin] I'd tap that...
[hcatlin] ...mathematically speaking.
[davidcrow] hcatlin++
[AaronF] you want to tap the math man?
[jgoldman] hcaitlin++
[ikisai] tap him for what
[ryanmcminn] he is like the nerd tony robbins
[hcatlin] Like a keg.
[mediaserf] you mean you'd reciprocate? or square his root?
* davidcrow is ROTFLMAO
[ikisai] cash
[seanbonner] This guy knows CRAZY numbers yo!
[AaronF] lol
[AaronF] ryanmcminn++
[gregbiggers] this guy must have just been upgraded to AJAX
[andy2u] wowza
[davidcrow] gregbiggers++
[BigD] math 2.0
[davidcrow] ?cool hcatlin
[jibot] Cool? we keep drinks in hcatlin
[AaronF] ?cool
[jgoldman] ?cool davidcrow
[jibot] ice forms on davidcrow's upper slopes
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[seanbonner] Hey Scott!
[AaronF] That was a good year
[davidcrow] ?cool AaronF
[jibot] Cool? we keep drinks in AaronF
[AaronF] wtf was that
[jgoldman] i have run out of claps for math boy.
[laughing_squid] hey, irc, the original twitter
[davidcrow] I'm confused like I was in math class
[BigD] irc 2.0
[jgoldman] the magic castle?
[mediaserf] he definately is XML - eXtraneous math literate
[seanbonner] So, did I miss what this guy has to do with the conference?
[jgoldman] there's a place called the magic castle?
[jgoldman] he's the infotainment sean.
[gregbiggers] magiccastle++
[andy2u] in LA
* tengi hopes there won't be a test on this....
[AaronF] He's going to do balloon animals in a moment
[BigD] seanbonner: we all did
[davidcrow] I'm guessing magic is the new AJAX
[seanbonner] Twitter is a mini IRC for just your friends and with an answering machine
[AaronF] 30 mins!!
[mediaserf] its emerging tech, he's got a floating point processor in his head
[ryanmcminn] the magic castle is the play area in white castle right ?
[ikisai] 30 mons or so !
[cspurgeon] Magic castle = dinner place in LA where magicians perform
[AaronF] we have 30 min more of this?!
[dpm] they'll lambast his shoes in LA
[davidcrow] or the new making phones in the audience ring
[BigD] he's gonna turn cory's balloon into a camel
[seanbonner] If Magic is the new AJAX I'm all over that shit
[BigD] mmm, white castle
[jgoldman] i could go drink somewhere.
[jgoldman] without mathicians.
[hcatlin] Jeff Hardy's wife is a SUPER HOT math teacher.
[AaronF] 69, hehe
[laughing_squid] math is hard
[davidcrow] Magic is the new making phones in the audience ring
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[reilly] i bet he's banned in vegas
[BigD] uh oh, gotta learn
[jgoldman] hcatlin++
[gregbiggers] davidcrow++
[ryanmcminn] hcatlin++
[davidcrow] hcatlin--
[gregbiggers] for the phones ringing bit
[ryanmcminn] ego check
[hcatlin] Scribbish is "mathimagic"
[seanbonner] I'll have magic running on my sites by this time next week and then Yahoo! will buy us! ZOMG!!!11
[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[ryanmcminn] this is so magic 1.0
[davidcrow] ?learn magic is the new secret sauce
[jibot] magic is the new secret sauce
[gregbiggers] I used to have a superhero toolbelt that would do this shit
[davidcrow] ?learn magic is that makes you ill
[jibot] magic is the new secret sauce and that makes you ill
[gregbiggers] i should have held on to it. would sell huge on ebay
[seanbonner] Jay, can you guys build a robot that will do this guy's schtick and then delete it?
[hcatlin] This guy is just proving why we all got rid of our calculator-watches.
[jgoldman] if you close your eyes, he sounds like Professor Frink.
[davidcrow] jgoldman++
* mediaserf got rid of his calculator watch because it wasn't getting me chics
[jgoldman] seanbonner: the unspace guys build robots - we build websites :)
[davidcrow] we build rockstars for web browsers
[seanbonner] jgoldman: so?
[hcatlin] Robots that build websites.
[ryanmcminn] I wonder if he could calc my odds of getting action tonight? that would be useful
* gregbiggers just finished his beer disguised in a starbucks cup
[jgoldman] seanbonner: i could build a website that gets him laid. maybe.
[hcatlin] The last robot I built was named "Mike"
[seanbonner] No way, I don't even have a website that gets me laid
[seanbonner] and I have a LOT of websites
[davidcrow] that's cuz your married
[jgoldman] you should talk to us. we can help.
[hcatlin] There will be booze on stage tomorrow during my talk.
[seanbonner] hell, I made http://isolatr.com
[hcatlin] Fact.
[seanbonner] davidcrow: don't I know it
[jgoldman] isolatr++
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[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[AaronF] isolatr++
[AaronF] seanbonner++
[gregbiggers] wow. this crowd really knows how to subtract by 1
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[hcatlin] seanbonner+
[BigD] screw booze on the stage, we need some out here!
[dannyob] you see, you don't get this at SXSW
[jgoldman] so.... did we pick a drink destination?
[hcatlin] "set their hands on fire"
[davidcrow] not yet, but it's about to happen soon
[seanbonner] OK, someone give me a number and I'll tell you what it is +2
[jgoldman] seanbonner: 131230978039712093
[davidcrow] seanbonner++
[reilly] get it wrong
[jgoldman] i have some commas if you'd like them.
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[seanbonner] jgoldman: I don't know that one, pick a different number
[davidcrow] square this
[dannyob] you know, if he was doing this in hex, he'd kill
[gregbiggers] dannyob++
[hcatlin] 121230978039712095
[davidcrow] dannyob++
[mediaserf] dannyob++
[seanbonner] dannyob: binary
[jgoldman] dannyob++
[jgoldman] oooooh! hours!
[ryanmcminn] 20-30 min
[hcatlin] Binary math is easy and *profitable*
[davidcrow] binary math will get seanbonner laid
[seanbonner] someone ask him how he did that first card trick
[dannyob] HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT
[ikisai] with booze
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[gregbiggers] what the hell kind of questions are we supposed to ask?
[seanbonner] Why is the sky blue
[gregbiggers] What went wrong with the subprime mortgage market?
[Ori_] refraction of light
[seanbonner] Where are the WMDs
[gregbiggers] seanbonner++
[dannyob] I used to intro your act in 1985, and you totally stole that 9409 line from me
[davidcrow] dannyob++
[mediaserf] some guy named donald told me they were in iraq
[jgoldman] someone ask him where we should go drinking
[laughing_squid] weapons of math destruction
[jgoldman] dannyob++
[davidcrow] jgoldman++
[gregbiggers] weapons of math instruction
[davidcrow] topgun bar
[BigD] oh man, isolatr made me guffaw
[ikisai] what is the math that leads to the answer of life = 42
[jgoldman] what was that?
[jgoldman] that was funny?
[jgoldman] i'm soooo lost.
[dannyob] how does pagerank work?
[davidcrow] ikisai++
[jgoldman] that's a good one
[reilly] he heard us
[dannyob] so i've got a travelling salesman...
[raelity] notice he's only in base 10
[ikisai] your in San Diego
[gregbiggers] what is the square root of web2.0?
[davidcrow] oh shit he's going to sing
[laughing_squid] 42
[raelity] web 0.96b
[jgoldman] gregbiggers: frontpage.
[reilly] one day at math camp
[davidcrow] LOL
[ryanmcminn] I like how he glossed over friends and women right to music
[AaronF] Band, math...I bet this guy was a huge hit with the ladies in high school
[ikisai] who made this then http://www.parm.net/web2.0/
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[raelity] hehe
[davidcrow] reilly__
[gregbiggers] no. he's going to play the horn
[davidcrow] reilly++
[ikisai] was the last one that made me laugh
[hcatlin] Oh, kids and their tricks! He was such a rebel!
[seanbonner] Someone call him a nerd
[ikisai] no its "this one DAY at band CAMP"
[jgoldman] barcamp?
[ikisai] my daughter talks like that and isn't even American
[davidcrow] this one time at BarCamp...
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[dannyob] SHOCK
[jgoldman] maybe it's because i'm canadian, but i have no idea why that was funny.
[jgoldman] eh.
[reilly] i'm stunned
[AaronF] sweeeet
[BigD] this is his Oprah moment
[laughing_squid] hdtv
[cspurgeon] Who here ISN'T ADHD?
[todbot] hahahaahha
[ryanmcminn] tear...
* mediaserf wishes his parents would put him on valium
[dannyob] GO FOR THE JOKE
[hcatlin] Shit man!
[hcatlin] I only got Ritalin!
[seanbonner] jgoldman: you hoser
[reilly] mmm ... speed
[jgoldman] seanbonner: want to go out and about?
[ikisai] provigil is where its at
[gregbiggers] he is like the organic version of mapreduce
[AaronF] Enough about me...what do you think about me.
[laughing_squid] can the backchannel keynote next year
[dannyob] when the put you to bed at night, do you have to sleep in the same carriage with the painted lady?
[ikisai] one time ...
[KevinMarks] TD
[KevinMarks] TDD
[gregbiggers] laughing_squid++
[seanbonner] Best thing at etech ever was 3 years ago when the back channel was projected behind the speakers
[reilly] fold/unfold
[ikisai] CPA
[seanbonner] Hecklebot was pretty sweet too
[davidcrow] Hecklebot++
[BigD] he hears voices
[AaronF] Actually I can totally relate with this auditory thing. That's totally me....I have something in common with this guy. DAMN
[hcatlin] I might integrate a IRC monitor into my presentation.
[davidcrow] I'm tactile
[laughing_squid] he counts voices
[gregbiggers] i'm liquid
[seanbonner] AaronF: you're fired
[cspurgeon] I'm olfactory
[reilly] smell the numbers
[hcatlin] [? liquid ?]
[mediaserf] cspurgeon++
[ryanmcminn] AaronF is sleeping alone tonight
[KevinMarks] everyone project irc
[AaronF] davidcrow, you're tactile lol
[AaronF] sweet
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[AaronF] hey Bjorg
[Bjorg] hey AaronF
[jgoldman] bjorg here too?
[gregbiggers] i smell the numbers in my nose, then they come out of my mouth
[ryanmcminn] aaahhhhhmmmmm I dunno
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[Ori_] synesthete
[AaronF] What if we say it in a peewee herman voice
[davidcrow] AaronF: I'm a touchy feely sort of guy
[reilly] time
[gregbiggers] oh boy he's bridging
[AaronF] hehe
[hcatlin] david: sometimes it goes a little far.
[seanbonner] "oh this will be fun, let me do it on paper!
[reilly] he's stalling
[davidcrow] hampton, only in times of need
[laughing_squid] 00:21:10
[tengi] queue the vamp...
[gregbiggers] hundred hundred hundred!
[jgoldman] that's really odd. i just got sent a del.icio.us link for isolatr for someone not at etech.
[mediaserf] who's got the academy award music ready?
[BigD] i never learned the multiplication tables
[AaronF] scream: 12, 123, 5231
[gregbiggers] somethings not working right. get the valium.
[BigD] i still have to look up single digit mults
[seanbonner] did he just short circit?
[AaronF] gregbiggers++
[gregbiggers] see i was right about the registers
[AaronF] he needs valium again
[todbot] but i bet he can't balance his checkbook
[KevinMarks] get some swap
[dannyob] ask him "what is love?"
[tengi] *there's* the tech tie-in - memory management
[laughing_squid] 8675309
[mediaserf] he's like Russell Crowe
[gregbiggers] and do all 3 of those things via twitter
[seanbonner] Can you imagine this guy playing blackjack?
[AaronF] what about tactile?
[gregbiggers] liars
[ryanmcminn] what if I don't know]?
[Ori_] kinesthetic
[AaronF] everyone wants to be visual
[hcatlin] You're incapaple of learning.
[AaronF] liar
[AaronF] s
[KevinMarks] symbolic
[BigD] ryanmcminn: yeah... i can't say
[gregbiggers] do you not know because you can't hear yourself think or just can't see it?
[laughing_squid] I smell numbers
[AaronF] sweet
[AaronF] like smelling color?
[dannyob] hey, i have some leaflets on neuro-linguistic programming i'd like to hand out
[ikisai] twitter is dying agian it seems
[AaronF] and tasting color?
[mediaserf] I see dead numbers
[hcatlin] He doesn't know that we're *not* normal.
[AaronF] I know that
[seanbonner] lightning calculators
[BigD] synethesic
[laughing_squid] twitter is dead, long live irc
[ryanmcminn] I can't see or hear invisible and silent numbers
[hcatlin] BigD: Nice call on the word!!!
[AaronF] word
[gregbiggers] whole different kind of ab master
[ikisai] laughing_squid++
[ryanmcminn] now that's a real nerd
[laughing_squid] I see dead numbers
[davidcrow] laughing_squid++
[gregbiggers] laughin_squid++
[laughing_squid] thank, I'll be here all night
[BigD] hcatlin: english major. just sayin...
[BigD] ;)
[hcatlin] Who did acid a lot.
[davidcrow] do you have to do up your top button to do math like this
[gregbiggers] who wishes we had autocomplete for irc nicks?
[reilly] twitter is a secret project designed to bring the U.S. economy to a halt by constantly interrupting all the ADHD types
[AaronF] ahem
[gregbiggers] for criying out loud
[BigD] magic squares
[jgoldman] he's an android
[AaronF] we have to kill the android
[jgoldman] the top button is the giveaway
[davidcrow] I thought he was on Star Trek
[dannyob] this guy must rock at the National Puzzler's League
[gregbiggers] i wonder if he does crossword puzzles
[AaronF] he's gong to atttempt to assimalate us
[jgoldman] we should have him take the hot or not CAPTCHA
[hcatlin] KILL THE ANDROID/WITCH!
[seanbonner] So, what does it say about what we should be expecting for the next few days if THIS is the keynote?
[AaronF] jgoldman++
[gregbiggers] jgoldman++
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[dannyob] although those crossword types hate anything that smells of soduku
[gregbiggers] but that is binary math
[KevinMarks] can he race google calculator?
[davidcrow] it's the mention of primes
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[jgoldman] i can do prime factorization on one digit numbers no problem.
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[gregbiggers] what about translating to roman numerals?
[BigD] hiya little1!
[hcatlin] 1010001 + 110101
[ikisai] so do i, i ut them in my phone
[hcatlin] GO!
[tengi] the trek episode with Harry Mudd was on last night - but I can't remember android #1's name
[reilly] he's ahead of himself: http://www.math.hmc.edu/~benjamin/corporate.html
[dannyob] can we emulate 80x86 code on you?
[dannyob] please?
[davidcrow] I think he runs the Cell processor command set
[AaronF] Esther who?
[AaronF] ;-0
[ikisai] why always women
[gregbiggers] this is not going to end well
[KevinMarks] I worked out the ultimate sudoku shortcut
[davidcrow] it's Esther Dyson
[seanbonner] I bet my cell phone can memorize phone numbers better than him
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[ikisai] Dyson i think
[KevinMarks] log in as root and type 'ku'
[ikisai] not got glasses on
[AaronF] I was joking
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[cspurgeon] AaronF++
[dannyob] she's going to feed him Freeman's old nuclear rocket equations
[jgoldman] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Dyson
[seanbonner] THE Esther Dyson
[gregbiggers] quick! send a twitter tweet to esther dyson!!!!!
[jgoldman] looks like her
[ryanmcminn] he is playing the old bar numbers game
[gregbiggers] tis her
[tengi] dannyob++
[davidcrow] the Esther Dyson, former editor of Release 1.0
[ryanmcminn] the speech is just a front to meet women
[seanbonner] Is she going to owe him $20 at the end of this?
[AaronF] I love you esther!!
[hcatlin] Thank god sweatshirts are in.
[dannyob] a very unsuccessful front
[AaronF] dannyob++
[BigD] dannyob: The Orion Project
[seanbonner] hcatlin++
[davidcrow] by in, I think you mean something else
[jgoldman] did someone stack the first few rows?
[davidcrow] hcatlin++
[hcatlin] Its my gay gene kicking in.
[seanbonner] gay mountain?
[davidcrow] that's why my gadar has been going off
[jgoldman] mount gay
[AaronF] infinity!
[AaronF] aleph null!
[hcatlin] gadar?
[AaronF] I have no idea what he's doing
[hcatlin] what's gadar?
[KevinMarks] mount gay rum ftw
[davidcrow] it's like gaydar
[ryanmcminn] jgoldman++
[jgoldman] hcatlin--
[hcatlin] :(
[gregbiggers] he just accused ESTHER DYSON of writing too loudly
[jgoldman] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaydar
[BigD] there's a broadcast tower in TJ that sets it off
[davidcrow] this sucks
[dannyob] oh i've been just in that position with esther
[AaronF] hehe
[gregbiggers] estherdyson++
[reilly] wonder if he know's that's freeman dyson's daughter
[AaronF] W/out IRC this would be watching paint drying
[AaronF] sorry
[davidcrow] it's funnier if they serve drinks
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[AaronF] dude!
[AaronF] totally
[seanbonner] etech is all about irc
[jgoldman] you should ask him what rate paint dries at.
[davidcrow] where's my ETech bourbon?
[andy2u] sheesh guys, be nice
[hcatlin] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomasculinity
[jgoldman] or perhaps grass grows.
[BigD] how many audience would NOT have stoned him by now?
[hcatlin] Awesome word!!!
[Ori_] we should turn this into a drinking game, every time he stalls by saying "yup" or "great" you have to do a shot
[gregbiggers] ?learn irc is where watching paint drying doesn't feel like watching paint drying
[jibot] irc is the cockroach of internet protocols; three minute turn around time for packets and they still get through and personal and where watching paint drying doesn't feel like watching paint drying
[seanbonner] I don't drink but this is making me consider taking it up
[seanbonner] http://twitter.com/seanbonner
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[dannyob] but who doesn't spend their lonely evenings sitting on the sofa, watching the cockroaches
[ikisai] it was amazing, now its too long
[KevinMarks] I hear that a lot
[dannyob] he's got to end on a song
[seanbonner] yes, the first 5 minutes were totally amusing
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[ikisai] it was amazing at first, now its just going on too long
[jgoldman] kevinmarks++
[hcatlin] I used to assign genders and colours to numbers.
[AaronF] KevinMarks++
[ikisai] i meant
[AaronF] lol
[reilly] ketamine
[hcatlin] In my brain as a child.
[tengi] cereal?
[seanbonner] When is he going to start juggling?
[jgoldman] bourbon?
[AaronF] ketamine?! What?
[hcatlin] Any other gender/colour number people here?
[KevinMarks] genders fro odd and even?
[reilly] special k
[AaronF] where'd that come from?
[gregbiggers] seriously a little softshoe would be perfect in a minute
[seanbonner] Or pull out the unicycle?
[ikisai] kind of like sex in a long relationship
[BigD] colors, yeah
[AaronF] oohhh
[dannyob] not if i wasn't paying attention
[AaronF] colors makes sense tome
[mediaserf] shiny happy numbers
[AaronF] he's going to recreate hebrew
[seanbonner] ikisai++
[jgoldman] any idea when this is supposed to end?
[dannyob] at this point, someone should bring on the O'REilly Bright Shiny Object for us to be distracted by
[jgoldman] AaronF++
[davidcrow] okay, biggers lets go get a drink
[Ewan_] 'visualisable' = three drinks for made up word?
[seanbonner] jgoldman: not soon enough
[dannyob] 9:15 and then YOU ALL COME TO OUR EFF BOF
[dannyob] DO YOU HEAR
[gregbiggers] ype
[dannyob] FREE BOURBON
[gregbiggers] yep
[KevinMarks] EFF BOF!
[jgoldman] EFF BOF?
[dannyob] EFF BOF
[reilly] like hebrew numerology
[BigD] does it cost $35?
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[jgoldman] EFF BOF!
[davidcrow] oooh, I like the EFF
[mediaserf] Free Bourbon...as in Beer?
[gregbiggers] BigD++
[KevinMarks] what number is that
[dannyob] it does if you buy the bourbon
[Ewan_] EFF BOF or the Secrets of Card Magic... what a choice!
[AaronF] isn't EFF tmw?
[davidcrow] I gave them my $35,
[seanbonner] Does he have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
[KevinMarks] card magic my son can teach me
[dannyob] EFF pioneer awards tomorrow, with free -$35
[cspurgeon] How do you spell it in Klingon?
[Ewan_] Oh he knows Star Trek...
[dannyob] tonight is the cheapo free legal advice
[AaronF] Esther is heckling him
[jgoldman] esther has nothing on us
[dannyob] where if we get enough people, we get the lawyers to do an AD&D game
[BigD] is there booze?
[davidcrow] silent
[jgoldman] with all due respect
[AaronF] defnly not
[davidcrow] silent++
[KevinMarks] free legal advice like don't fuck with eff lawyers and the DMCA?
[dannyob] booze + lawyers == hunter s. thompson
[Ewan_] Silent sounds... one is " " and the otehr is " " (and qwritten Zathras)
[gregbiggers] seriously now, where are we drinking, and can the bartenders multiply 5 digit numbers while pouring?
[seanbonner] tomahawk?
[AaronF] he's warlike
[davidcrow] gregbiggers++
[BigD] i'll bring the grapefruits
[davidcrow] where's the grassy knoll?
[AaronF] If I were into guys...I'd be all over this dude.
[KevinMarks] is the eff bof in a bar
[mediaserf] are there tomatoes anywhere back there?
[dannyob] i am a bit tempted to nip out and get some bourbon for our BOF
[jgoldman] http://www.worldsbestbars.com/city/san-diego/index.htm
[dannyob] where's the bar?
[AaronF] jgoldman, drink after
[davidcrow] dannyob: let's go
[Ewan_] AaronF, I think HeatherVescent was there twenty minutes agoi but it's wearing off now, she says
[ikisai] bartender may not but can add a tip easy enough in his/her head, unlike me
[seanbonner] dannyob: go for it!
[Ewan_] Can I take him to Vegas?
[jgoldman] AaronF: definitely - i owe you one
[dannyob] scarily, i know a lot of hot girls who would completely go for this guy
[AaronF] I think you're right Ewan_
[seanbonner] Ewan_: we think he's banned in vegas
[KevinMarks] sean has an sms number for special requests at the W
[AaronF] I dont' think you owe me one jgoldman it's no biggie
[reilly] i'm sure he's banned in vegas
[Ewan_] Magic SHop in New York... I knew that
[davidcrow] what time's wapner?
[gregbiggers] oh of course the old "owner of a magic shop in new york" show
[gregbiggers] trick
[seanbonner] oh snap BOF PLUG!!!
[ikisai] where are all the hot girls
[AaronF] you disappeared on MindTouch
[AaronF] that's cool man
[ryanmcminn] if he says BOF... I am out
[AaronF] ;-)
[dannyob] oh dammit, DON'T MENTION THE COMPETING BOF YOU
[davidcrow] 'Course, three minutes to Wapner.
[andy2u] the hot girls? they got death threats
[BigD] http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=dublin+square&near=San+Diego,+CA&cid=0,0,8073831820833220888&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=32.710998,-117.161021&spn=0.023254,0.029225&om=1&iwloc=A
[BigD] i recommend this place
[Ewan_] Oh I'm so pulling a Jerry Sadowitz on him during the BOF
[seanbonner] dannyob: you need to have magic 2.0 running to get a plug
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[dannyob] okay, off to buy bourbon
[ikisai] ouch andy2u
[AaronF] It's always busy tho BigD
[davidcrow] My boxer shorts have my name and it says Raymond.
[dannyob] ahahahah
[davidcrow] Charlie
[AaronF] and hard to talk
[dannyob] Jerry Sadowitz would ROCK for next year
[jgoldman] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[dannyob] or just a face off with him
[Ewan_] Magic 2.0? THat'll be a Roy Walton trick
[AaronF] lol
[Ewan_] Yegads, I;ve had a vision of Sadowitx on stage now. That would rock
[AaronF] dannyob++
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[reilly] 1337
[Ewan_] dannyrob++
[seanbonner] YEAH!!!!
[BigD] AaronF: yeah, tru
[ikisai] wow
[gregbiggers] @davidcrow, are you expected at the EFF bof?
[jgoldman] make the bad man stop.
[reilly] jgoldman++
[AaronF] the book for 3 low payments of 9.99
[KevinMarks] it's dan 'n' yob
[davidcrow] nope, but I hear there's free bourbon
[Ewan_] He;s not bad, he just needs to choose 69 a bit more
[tengi] ah, there's a book!
[AaronF] YOU TOO...
[Ewan_] HE HAS BOOK!!!!
[ikisai] best thing about this, we stil have free wifi after all
[tengi] who's the publisher?
[davidcrow] it is an infomercial
[AaronF] You too can have all this!
[KevinMarks] secrets of mental math
[jgoldman] AaronF++
[hcatlin] Wrox probably, they'll publish anyone.
[Ewan_] We need this Backchannel on display
[seanbonner] I'll be posting these logs shortly
[Ori_] I can't wait to impress the chicks
[Ewan_] Where's dotBen when you need him
[davidcrow] it comes with "conspiracies of the US government"
[reilly] ginzu knives?
[davidcrow] where is dotBen?
[Ori_] with my "mathemagic" tricks
[cspurgeon] I saw the movie
[hcatlin] http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Ruby-Rails-Wrox-Guides/dp/0470069155
[Ewan_] Can someone tell him it's 'maths'
[hcatlin] WORST BOOK EVAR!
[KevinMarks] ?google 454*454
[jibot] Search for 454*454: 0.325 seconds. Showing first 3 of 1230000 sites
[jibot] REMARK THIS IS THE LIST OF TOP MODELS RANKED BY THE "PROQ ON CA ... - http://cafasp4.cse.buffalo.edu/mqap/showmqapmodel.php?target=T02222&server=proqCa
[jibot] REMARK THIS IS THE LIST OF TOP MODELS RANKED BY THE "PHYRE" MQAP ... - http://cafasp4.cse.buffalo.edu/mqap/showmqapmodel.php?target=T02222&server=phyre
[jibot] PFRMAT TS TARGET T0206 AUTHOR ESyPred3D REMARK ... - http://www2.predictioncenter.org/Serv/BYGROUP/ESyPred3D/T0206_ESyPred3D_TS1
[AaronF] I wrote that book!!!
[AaronF] THANKS!!
[KevinMarks] hm
[laughing_squid] but wait, there's more
[AaronF] You're so harsh!
[davidcrow] Have to get to K-Mart. 400 Oak Street. The sign said 'Don't Walk'. Have to get to K-Mart.
[tengi] and if you order now, we throw in a cap snafler
[AaronF] be nice hcatlin
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[KevinMarks] so, you get to dedicate 10,000 hours to somehting
[AaronF] ;-)
[hcatlin] Dr. Steve Holzner!
[Ori_] I can learn mandarin chinese in 13,000 hours
[KevinMarks] and he picked somehting we have computers better at it
[jgoldman] davidcrow++
[Ori_] screw that
[Ewan_] 10,000 hors doing maths when you are a teenagher? Shouldn;t he have just had a wank instead
[gregbiggers] ohh. if its all about methods it must not be very web2.0
[ikisai] hardly miss-spent
[AaronF] Trying to get the chicks....I developed Mental Math
[mediaserf] wanking only takes 5 digits
[laughing_squid] now the hard questions
[seanbonner] STOP MESSING WITH THOSE NUMBERS!!
[BigD] ooo, he used my word
[reilly] synesthesia
[BigD] that's cory?
[ikisai] mediaserf++
[AaronF] Don't encourage him by asking him questions
[tengi] reilly: that's a song by the Bob's
[davidcrow] AaronF++
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[gregbiggers] sin aesthetics
[AaronF] hehe
[AaronF] gregbiggers++
[davidcrow] gregbiggers++
[AaronF] long division!!
[seanbonner] Can we go back to talking about websites that get you laid?
[tengi] s/Bob's/Bobs/
[laughing_squid] long tail division
[AaronF] confession: I can't divide
[Ewan_] Duh, use clock maths then for subtraction
[davidcrow] Course that's 20,160 minutes. 1,290,600, six hundred seconds
[hcatlin] http://manjam.com
[hcatlin] biatch!
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[gregbiggers] davidcrow++
[davidcrow] Course in 1986 46,400 male drivers were definitely involved in fatal accidents.
[laughing_squid] this is all adding up to a drink, I think
[BigD] i read from left to right
[gregbiggers] ?karma davidcrow
[AaronF] LOL
[jibot] davidcrow has 6 points
[AaronF] hcatlin++
[AaronF] dude this guy is featured on manjam
[ikisai] @seanbonner : how about http://www.selectcomfort.com/air_mattress_beds/sleep_number_bed.cfm?mc=402000&cm_mmc=Google-_-Select+Comfort_Brand+-+Brand+-+Number+Beds-_-sleep%20number%20beds-_-Broad+394764196%7C-%7C100000000000000021026
[seanbonner] 87.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot
[davidcrow] it's not magic if you explain it
[Ewan_] manjam??? THat;s so gay
[jgoldman] seanbonner++
[seanbonner] ikisai: HAWT
[BigD] i wont' even google manjam
[dantekgeek] seanbonner: I could have sworn it was 74.5%
[Ewan_] Genrally I react with 'do that again, Jerry'
[AaronF] This guy is man of the month on manjam
[laughing_squid] manjam = goatese light?
[hcatlin] Is it the Jam of a Man? Or Men Jamming?
[davidcrow] ?learn manjam is something you don't want
[jibot] manjam is something you don't want
[Ewan_] I think it's a Chris Morris thing
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[dantekgeek] laughing_squid++
[seanbonner] dantekgeek: that statistic was flawed, the control team was drunk
[KevinMarks] is that like jamcracker
[dantekgeek] seanbonner: ah
[gregbiggers] its simple: ADHD+abusive parents+valium+a tight fitting tux, and your all set!
[seanbonner] Man or Astro Jam?
[AaronF] lol
[hcatlin] manjamcracker
[AaronF] gregbiggers++
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[ikisai] i went to manjam, i wont go abck
[gregbiggers] is that the same as casting out nines?
[davidcrow] ?manjam is
[davidcrow] A homemade high-protein preserve traditionally distilled in two spherical receptacles. Best served in a series of short sharp jets over a pair of perfectly proportioned buns or baps.
[dantekgeek] hahahah
[AaronF] omg
[AaronF] omfg
[ryanmcminn] davis is setting up a mancamp... stay tuned
[hcatlin] davidcrow++
[davidcrow] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=+manjam
[laughing_squid] ha, you've been manjammed
[gregbiggers] mancamp++
[dantekgeek] davidcrow+
[AaronF] davidcrow++
[davidcrow] Girl:"Eric, why does the popcorn suddenly taste like manjam?"
[jgoldman] davidcrow++
[dantekgeek] davidcrow++
[davidcrow] Eric:"Er..don't know. Probably just...er...no I really haven't a clue. Couldn't give ya one good reason, i'm afraid. Nope. Er, hang on, maybe...ah no...nope...I can't think why at all. Sorry. No idea."
[Bjorg] ++davidcrow
[gregbiggers] davidcrow++
[dantekgeek] karma fest!
[hcatlin] davidcrow++
[gregbiggers] karmajam!!!!
[jgoldman] i just realized that he's still talking
[seanbonner] ZOMG!!11! SEVEN DIGITS!!!!11!
[ryanmcminn] David: get your buttersingers off my manjam
[seanbonner] This is the 2007 version of the Nokia slide
[BigD] god, i hated math class
[KevinMarks] wheres' danny's talk?
[dantekgeek] KevinMarks: are you streaming anything?
[reilly] if i could add, i could impress girls with this stuff
[BigD] i'm flashing back
[davidcrow] where is dannyob's talk?
[KevinMarks] not this, it's a bunch of arse
[BigD] ptsd
[Ewan_] Argh! THe Nokia Slide!!!
[KevinMarks] I might steram danny
[KevinMarks] or steam him
[gregbiggers] ?google ptsd
[jibot] Search for ptsd: 0.062 seconds. Showing first 3 of 375000 sites
[jibot] National Center for PTSD - http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/
[jibot] Post-traumatic stress disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_stress_disorder
[jibot] NIMH: Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) - http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/ptsdmenu.cfm
[KevinMarks] or even stream him
[seanbonner] Maybe this guy will draw a pie chart
[davidcrow] gregbiggers++
[mediaserf] I'm having post mathmagic stress disorder
[davidcrow] guessing is like magic
[mediaserf] there's only one answer to math problems - drink until you don't care about the answer
[jgoldman] speaking of which, where are we drinking?
[davidcrow] I'll resort to the cheap stuff
[gregbiggers] guessing is he secret to web2.0 and rails
[AaronF] I thought he was going to make Sigma, Integral signs, etc from balloons....
[AaronF] what a disappointment
[davidcrow] AaronF++
[reilly] or at least goatse from balloons
[davidcrow] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mathmagic
[BigD] well, i suggested a bar... but aaron doesn't like crowds
[Ewan_] Has he stopped?
[gregbiggers] oh geez now we are dividing zeros by themselves
[mediaserf] he was out of time 4 squared ago
[BigD] hmm, card tricks or EFF?
[dantekgeek] isn't that a nullity?
[AaronF] will he stay in the tux?
[dantekgeek] :)
[davidcrow] not yet, don't we have ninja's that can solve this
[laughing_squid] thinks he's steve jobs
[gregbiggers] the bar around the corner has pretty decent tequilas
[gregbiggers] meaning here on the 1st floor
[davidcrow] gregbiggers++
[mediaserf] he's not steve jobs he hasn't said "Let me show you something cool. I'm really excited about this"
[seanbonner] http://goatsepeg.com
[jgoldman] or "one more thing"
[AaronF] ugh no
[reilly] ⊥
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[mediaserf] oh and what he's talking about is real and not hype (sorry mac dudes)
[AaronF] someone else can go tag that URL
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[AaronF] no goatse for me
[gregbiggers] right. its all leading up to... iMath
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[KevinMarks] where's danny?
[jgoldman] everyone catch the MadTV iRack skit?
[reilly] yes
[KevinMarks] danny , are you next door?
[dannyob] in douglas pavilion A, BEING THE ULTRA COOL EFF BOF
[Ori_] "but the iRack looks unstable!"
[dannyob] which you will all attend
[reilly] can't believe Fox broadcast that
[KevinMarks] danny does much better standup
[dannyob] yes, there are beautiful members of the opposite sex, who can all do anagrams really quickly
[BigD] who is it that gets to cast the first stone?
[Ori_] who can't believe that fox broadcasts anything
[jgoldman] HAHAHAHAHA :)
[jgoldman] that was funny
[davidcrow] 3 minutes til Wapner
[AaronF] hey you all know about the Wii Scavenfer hunt?
[seanbonner] OK, let's go to Danny's BOF
[gregbiggers] @BigD-- he that is not on the autistic spectrun
* mediaserf battery out.....c yas
[AaronF] Wiiners get Wiis
[gregbiggers] spectrum
[ryanmcminn] he is crazy sweating

Got into San Diego a short while ago and got my conference credentials and the obligatory schwag bag including O'Reilly trading cards, firefox temporary tattoos and Yahoo! Tubes Pipes buttons. The craziest news at the moment that is all over twitter as well as the topic of every conversation is that Kathy Sierra cancelled her talks here because of increasingly hostile death threats she's been receiving on her blog, as well as that have now been posted on other blogs. Full details on her post about it here. I'm sure there will be much more news about this before too long. Right now sitting in the lobby at the W hotel with Kevin Marks watching people check in and soaking up the free wi-fi (vs the paid hardwired stuff in the rooms) and waiting for the keynotes which begin in a few hours.

Technorati Tags: etech, etech2007, oreilly, sandiego

Before I started the drive from San Francisco Jason mentioned that he'd just picked up the audio book of World War Z and knowing that I'm a pretty avid zombie fan offered to let me check it out. The drive on the 5 between LA and SF is just about 6 hours on the nose, and this audio book was just over 6 hours so that seemed like a perfect fit. With the exception of some weird classic novels one of my parents would through in the car when we'd take long road trips as I kid I've not had much experience with audiobooks but have to say I really enjoyed this one. I actually made the SF-LA trip in about 5 hours so I had some of the book left which I just finished sitting on the train between LA and SD. I don't know if other audiobooks are like this, but this book had a full cast of readers and the story lent it self pretty fantastically to an audio version - given that it's a guy documenting survival stories of people who survived the zombie war. What I didn't expect what who was going to turn up reading parts of it - Alan Alda, Henry Rollins, John Turturro, Rob Reiner, Mark Hamil and tons of others. The narration of course was by Max Brooks, the author of the book in the first place.

I found the book fascinating. I've written before about what makes zombies such an interesting subject to begin with - in that they are really us. We are the enemy we are fighting. Of course the basic story of "oh no! the dead are coming back to life and they want to us!!" has been done a million times now, with the usual variations being time frame - did it just start happening right now, has it been going on for a few months, years? In Romero's latest chapter, Land Of The Dead, he paints the picture of several years after the fact and the last surviving people barrcading themselves into their own mini prisons and recreating the same set of problems they had before all this started. In David Wellington's Monster trilogy he takes a very interesting new approach in that a solid chunk of the story is through the eyes of a very very self aware zombies dealing with what they have become. Likewise in Romero's flicks he hints that these things aren't completely brain dead and might be able to learn - or at least some of them anyway. In either case, all of these stories point to one inevitable outcome - it's just a matter of how long that takes to happen. World War Z takes a whole new direction (one hinted at in Brook's Zombie Survival Guide) in that the the zombies didn't eventually win. The living people, after some initial set backs - were finally able to out think the mindless goules and eventually contain the epidemic. World War Z takes place after this and is set up as a collection of stories from the survivors being made to record that information for future generations and history books. The details of who figured this out and when, compared against who refused to accept it and the traditional thinking standing in the way of making progress was addictive. I just finished the book and wish there was 6 more hours of it.

Anyway, the book is amazing and I really enjoyed listening to the audio version. I don't really have much commuting time to make this a regular option, but I think from now on any trips I take are going to include a stop by Audible rather than just the standard trip specific iTunes playlist.

I'm about to finish packing for the next four days that I'll be in San Diego for O'Reilly's Emerging Technology conference. I've been every year for the last four years and will be covering as much of it as I possibly can again this year. I'll be posting session notes, back channel IRC logs, lobbycon info, and just about anything else interesting or noteworthy I come across. I'll also be using twitter when the wi-fi eventually chokes or just for quick snipits. You can follow me here.

Technorati Tags: etech, etech2007, oreilly, sandiego

Going to be offline today, working with actual paper and pens. I know it's crazy, but true. And as a coincidence, it's global shutdown day.

• myartspace>blog: Gallery Space Talk: Caryn Coleman- sixspace
  (tags: sixspace caryncoleman art)

Here's a photoset from an open house / party thing at kink.com I went to tonight. There are a ton phonecam shots of filming sets, machines, storage, and nerds. If you don't know what kink.com is, or you are at work or someplace where you can get in trouble for this kind of thing you probably don't want to click though to see them. So yeah, here they are - view at your own risk.

• Adotas ? Blogvertising 3.0: Exploring the Evolution of and Year Ahead for Monetizing the Blogosphere
  (tags: blogging business advertising)
• Keychain Lock Picker
  (tags: edc lockpicking keychain)
• [video] Escape Handcuffs With A Hairpin (techyum)
  (tags: video edc)
• 'World of Warcraft' bans raise players' ire - News - PCs
  (tags: wow warcraft)

Oh Snap! Taken from here.

So this morning I got a random IM (as I've been known to do in the past) from someone asking about a photo I'd taken that was online. After talking for a little bit it I realized this person was my cousin who I hadn't seen or talked to since I was a very very young child. We talked about our extremely vague memories of each other and how it's probably been 20-25 years since we've been in touch. It was totally random and crazy. I'm still kind of freaked out by it, but in a kind of awesome way.

• Opinion - The Blog Watch - sacbee.com
  (tags: sacramento metblogs metroblogging)

March 21 - 24: San Francisco (assorted meetings)
March 25: Traveling between SF-LA-SD
***** If someone is already planning to drive that route let me know. Right now I'm planning to rent a car and drive to LA, then take a train to SD.
March 26 - 29: San Diego (etech conference)
March 30 - April ?: Los Angeles
April ? - 14: San Francisco (more meetings)
April 15 - 20: San Francisco (Web 2.0 Expo)
April 21 - ?: Los Angeles
April ? - 29: Chicago (Naked Raygun)

Wild Cards:
Florida which might jump into one of those ? spaces
New York which also might jump into one of those ? spaces
Japan, the most tentative, which most likely won't be until May.

Check out the folks in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia!
More announcements over on Metroblogging.com, Twitter and MySpace.

• AV Press: L.A. County frowns on concealed weapons
  (tags: ccw guns crime law)
• God's dupes - Los Angeles Times
  "Moderate believers give cover to religious fanatics -- and are every bit as delusional." [Via mickipedia]
  (tags: religion politics california petestark)

Since Jason is in town we had a bit of a post st. pats shoot at at the gun range today. I e-mailed a few folks and had a much better turn out than I'd expected. Michael, Noah, Kent showed up along with some of the more usual IAAL posse. Many bullets were thrown around and Michael got to break in his new shotgun which most of us probably still have sore shoulders from. Afterwards much coffee was consumed, as has become standard operating procedure. One of the many things we ended up talking about was working environments and offices vs working out of your house. I've spent far too much time living and working in same few hundred square feet. It has it's appeal to some extent but it also can become suffocating. Of course depending on the situation that is very different. When I was in college and I lived in a house with several people who all ran some sort of their own business (record company, recording studio, music fanzine, band, graphic designer, record distribution, etc) it actually was the best thing possible because all these folks worked together and while they had their own thing they were also able to benefit from each others creativity and efforts. Was really awesome. At other times in my life, living and working on my own for the most part has been more like being trapped on a desert island with no outside contact which has the opposite effect. This is one of the reasons I'm enjoying being at The Groop right now. While I'm still working on my own thing I'm in an atmosphere with other creative people and that makes a world of difference. These talks of course lead to more scheeming about people in LA doing cool things in their own little worlds and how bringing a few complimentary folks together could benefit them all. Very interesting thread for sure, not positive where it's headed but we'll see. Could be some good stuff there.

OK, I don't know the folks behind this, but I'm completely flattered. Wow.

I can't believe that no one told me about The Black Keys. They had a song in Black Snake Moan which I saw tonight and loved. I looked 'em up on iTunes and they have tons of stuff out including a collection put together by the iTunes folks which I picked up so I can see which of their stuff I like the most, though I'm liking it all at this point. It's just dirty enough. Of course that was a rabbit hold and I found a ton of Blind Lemon Johnson and Leadbelly stuff which I swear I'd looked for before and not been able to find. Unfortunately iTunes started giving me all kinds of purchase errors so I wasn't able to grab that stuff. I'll figure it out later and go back. If you were following me on Twitter you'd know all of that already. Looks like Melbourne had people taking photos with a Metroblogging sign at a St Pats party, too funny. I'll be in SF next week, if I can get my breaks fixed in time I'll bring my bike and start the IAAL/MAF/SF but if not it'll be next time for sure.

Was just talking to someone about Twitter and realized it's like a mini IRC with just your friends. At least that's how I'm using it at this point - I don't get any notification on anything, but I log in and see what people are up to right now. And then update myself. The super bad ass feature would be a combination of geolocation and nudging - so you could "nudge" folks who you were friends with you were also friends with you within X mile radius to send an update. Though the updates from your friends who aren't near by are also very attractive. The one problem I see is when you are following someone who isn't following you back, if you respond to them they don't ever see it.

Here's a ton of Dropkick Murphys videos, you know for St Pats day and all. I haven't seen them play since I left Chicago but every time I did they were amazing.

Finnegan's Wake:

Tessie:

I'm Shipping Up To Boston:

Barroom Hero:

• YouTube - Closer (Fan Video) Star Trek Version
  (tags: video music humor)
• Josiah Cole ? 19 Things NOT To Do When Building a Website
  (tags: web technology design)

This is one of the stupidist reactions I've read in my life. So, NYC which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, so strict that is prevents volunteer police officers from carrying guns. And when two criminals who have already shown that they don't care about the existing laws preventing them from having guns, stepped up to not caring about the existing laws saying you can't shoot people decide to shoot two of those volunteer officers who, since they were following the law, were not able to defend themselves. So the mayor says Republican authored lax gun control is the problem? What? Huh??? If it wasn't for the strict existing gun control already in place those two officers might not have been shot and the criminals might be in custody rather than out posing a greater threat to the next people they feel like shooting.

And here's one more that I can't embed.

Just got confirmation that I'll be attending both etech and web 2.0 expo in the next few weeks. I was a little burnt out last time and swore them off but clearly I just can't stay away. Of course, along with etech comes the usual "where to stay?!" question which needs to be answered a bit quicker this time since it's less than 2 weeks away at this point. Anyone else already planning on going and looking for a roommate?

• 19th Century Shipping Posters - a photoset on Flickr
  (tags: graphics posters vintage)
• YouTube - Japanese Spa Prank
  (tags: video humor pranks)

Whoever is behind the fake Jason Calacanis Twitter page is downright hilarious. This is the funniest thing on there by a long shot.

• Firefox Stormtrooper & French Maids in Tokyo
  (tags: video firefox)

• Pascal Chesnais’ fishWrap ? Blog Archive ? Place Blogging - City/Regional Bloggers Unite!
  Great take on metblogs
  (tags: metroblogging metblogs community blogs blogging)

• Vegan Los Angeles: Ten Joints Not To Miss
  (tags: vegan food la losangeles)

Alright, so as much as I hate to admit it I'm actually using twittr and enjoying reading other people's updates on it. I resisted, but it was not use. If you are on there feel free to add me.

• Leda's Bake Shop - vegan cupcakes
  vegan cupcakes in LA
  (tags: vegan la losangeles food cupcakes)
• Appeals court overturns D.C. gun ban - Yahoo! News
  (tags: guns guncontrol rights 2ndamendment)
• Metroblogging DC: Appeals Court: Gun Ban Unconstitutional
  (tags: dc guns guncontrol 2ndamendment rights)
• Adam Yauch to produce new Bad Brains record
  (tags: music badbrains)

The question is only how much difference will it make?

- Department of Justice says FBI abused Patriot act in domestic spying activities
- Washington DC's Handgun Ban ruled Unconstitutional

(with a follow up that Washington DC's Mayor ruled to be a jerk off)

- FBI Study Confirms Gun Laws Ignored by Cop Killers and Criminals

• YouTube - Leadbelly - 1945
  3 songs - the only film ever recorded of Leadbelly
  (tags: music leadbelly blues)

Those who have been holding their breath waiting to know the result of the great mouse hunt will be happy to know that I finally settled on the Logitech MX Revolution. I was warned by another mac user that the mouse caused mad OS X crashing so I was a little worried, but several other Mac faithful confirmed that they had no problem with it. I decided that since I have 30 days to return it if it blows, it was worth a shot. So far I'm pretty impressed. The thumb scroll wheel is a little odd and doesn't seem to play nice with application switcher as advertised but that's something I never used before so not a big set back. The battery seems to last for ever and the main scroll wheel that adjusts based on what you are scrolling and the speed you spin it pretty much rocks. I've only had it for a few days, but so far I think it was a good choice.

You knew this was coming, and you love it.

The Official Britney Spears Homepage : Real Ultimate Power

Thanks to Coop for the inspiration.

• Best of the net: The alternative Travvies awards | Travel | The Guardian
  the Guarding picked Metroblogging Berlin as the best destination blog!
  (tags: blogs blogging metroblogging metblogs berlin)

I've been a happy Quicksilver user for quite a while, admittedly not using it for much more than application switching but still I'd gotten really accustomed to having it within arms reach all the time. I think it was during my last OS X upgrade that something happened with it and now it won't stay running for anything. I've deleted it entirely and reinstalled but but basically once I start it (either manually or via a restart) it runs for a few moments and then quits with no error messages or anything, in fact often I don't even know that it's not running anymore until I go to use it and get to reaction. Anyone had a similar issue or know what might be the culprit?

Very hot. More pics coming soon.

This just changed my life. If you are running Mail.app on a Mac, and it takes for ever to switch from mailbox to mailbox and things like that, check out this mod right away. I can't believe how much difference it just made for me.

the tickets to see Naked Raygun in Chicago on April 27th that I'm holding in my hands and the Teddybears alternate mix of 'Punkrocker' blasting in my headphones.

I mentioned last night that my mouse stopped accepting left clicks which means it's time for a new one. So this morning I got up and ran over to the neighborhood Best Buy. It's been a long time since I bought I mouse but I remembered that they had a bunch on display and thought just feeling a few out would be good. From the comments on the last post and a few IM suggestions I was thinking a Logitech was probably what I was looking for. Corded or Cordless would depend on a few things that I'd just have to check in person, namely weight, ease of movement and batterylife (for cordless). I've been using a mouse most of the day for about 20 years now so if the weight is wrong my arm about falls off so this is really important for me.

I got to Best Buy and had forgotten how they assume you are a thief rather than a customer. All of the mice they have on display have this giant chunk of plastic glued to the bottom which is attached to a security cable so you can't steal the the display items. This is horsecrap for two main reasons, which I've illustrated here:

As you can see the hunk of plastic on the bottom prohibits you from setting the mouse flat on any surface to see how it will sit in your hand. It also stops you from seeing how the mouse will move, since rather than the mouse's feet touching the surface this giant hunk of plastic is. And most of them were on crooked so the mouse was sitting at a complete angle. Even worse, the security cable on the mice was so short you could barely move the damn thing, and good luck trying to pick it up to gauge the weight.

After fiddling and trying to get around all these barriers I finally decided that my best bet was most likely the Logitech MX Revolution or the VX Revolution. The MX being the full fledged desktop version, complete with recharging station, and the VX being the slightly smaller "portable" version which runs off AA batteries rather than a built in rechargeable. This left me in a bit of a conundrum - Since I take my laptop back and forth from home to work and carry the mouse with me portability is important, but so is battery life. Of course there was no battery in the VX model so I really wasn't sure how heavy it would be, and with the MX I didn't want to lug the charging base around with me.

The employee closest to me was already helping another customer, I don't know with what but I distinctly heard him say "I don't see any of those here on the shelve, but let me check if we have any in the back, stay right here and I'll be back in a moment" and then walked away. I'll get back to that in a second.

There was another employee in that section trying very hard not to make eye contact with me for fear I might ask him something but I was quicker than he was and cornered him near the bluetooth keyboards. I asked if he could help me with a question about the mice they were selling, his response was "uh, well, maybe." That's reassuring. I explained my transporting situation and asked if he knew how long the charge from the charging station lasted on the MX. He didn't. I asked if he had any idea, perhaps if there was someone else who might know? Really I needed to know if I had the charger at home and let it charge over night would I be safe using it at the office the following day. He had no idea and didn't know who might. Ugh.

I decided I'd get the smaller, cheaper VX since it was on sale and try that, as I could at least assume how long a set of AA batteries would last and could carry an extra set if need be. Before I left I decided to check the Mac section to see if I could see a MightyMouse in person and try that out. Luckily not only did they have one out, but it was attached to an iMac so I could play around with it and see how the multiple button and scroll ball thingy worked. They worked really well! I was impressed. In fact, I liked it a lot more than the mouse I'd been using for the past few years. All over the place were signs indicating at the MightMouse was available in both corded and cordless, though only the corded model was on display. Again I'm back at the weight problem. I started looking for a cordless one in a box hoping I could get a feel for it that way. The shelf was empty, there were about 15 corded models, but no cordless ones. A different employee was sulking around in the Mac section and I went over and asked him if he could help. I told him there were no more cordless MightyMice on the shelve and asked if they had anymore in the back? His reply - "we don't keep any stock in the back, whatever is on the shelf is all we have" and walked away mid sentence.

At this point I decided that had no interest in giving these cocks any of my money and walked out, mouseless. I'll try the Apple Store later on, fingers crossed.

Oh this is fun, so my mouse has just decided that left click isn't really that important. Unfortunately I disagree. I've had the same mouse for about 3 years now so I guess it's not that surprising but now I need a new one, and quick. I've been using a Kensington PilotMouse Opical Pro ( a 5 button USB job) and haven't looked at anything else recently. Anyone have any suggestions? I need at least 2 buttons, and a scroll wheel is mandatory, but other than that I'm pretty flexible. I also need it to be super responsive because I use my mouse a lot playing WoW. Anyone have any suggestions? Have bluetooth mice gotten any better than they were before? Hows the Apple Mighty Mouse? Help!

Congrats to Helio on their new device, the Heat, which was introduced today. As you know at Metroblogging we've partnered with Helio and provide content to all of their handsets right along with BoingBoing, Digg, and Wikipedia. Here's more news on CNet, MobileBurn and Slashgear. I can't wait to get my hands on one!